Revised Pay Offer to easyJet Pilots - April 2006
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I agree... but in a way they've been let off the lifestyle hook with no change to rostering for another year - I see more and more pilots who's patience has run out - the resignations continue apace, making lifestyle improvements even less likely.
AH spent a couple of sectors on the flightdeck recently - I understand the crew gave him both barrels - now its time for him to do the same to easyJet's self-interested underachieving flight-ops management, before the whole operation goes into meltdown.
AH spent a couple of sectors on the flightdeck recently - I understand the crew gave him both barrels - now its time for him to do the same to easyJet's self-interested underachieving flight-ops management, before the whole operation goes into meltdown.
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Just stepped out of my time machine from this summer:
The Headlines in the newspapers:
£90,000 per year pilots set to strike after rejecting 10% pay deal!
Pilots at Europe's biggest lo-cost carrier vote for strike action following a long running pay dispute with management. A spokesman for easyJet commented today how disappointing it was that pilots were unable to accept a two year deal that would take captains' earnings close to £100,000 per year......
Wouldn't you prefer:
Pilots threaten strike action over unsafe schedules
Pilots at Europe's biggest lo-cost carrier vote for strike action following a long running dispute over rostering practices. A BALPA spokesperson commented today how disspointing it was that the company was unwilling to make changes to its rostering practices which would reduce dangerous levels of fatigue amongst flight crews......
I understand we are already at stage 2 with the lifestyle mission, I think we need to move on to that fight immediately.
But I have concern: if so many pilots are considering voting 'no' then there is real danger that these discontented members will resign from BALPA in disgust. I don't need to spell out the consequences of that reaction.
And a final thought: cabin crew will find it very difficult to live of their basic salary whilst we're striking for another percentage point on our pension. That's going to test CRM to the very limit when we start flying again!
JB
The Headlines in the newspapers:
£90,000 per year pilots set to strike after rejecting 10% pay deal!
Pilots at Europe's biggest lo-cost carrier vote for strike action following a long running pay dispute with management. A spokesman for easyJet commented today how disappointing it was that pilots were unable to accept a two year deal that would take captains' earnings close to £100,000 per year......
Wouldn't you prefer:
Pilots threaten strike action over unsafe schedules
Pilots at Europe's biggest lo-cost carrier vote for strike action following a long running dispute over rostering practices. A BALPA spokesperson commented today how disspointing it was that the company was unwilling to make changes to its rostering practices which would reduce dangerous levels of fatigue amongst flight crews......
I understand we are already at stage 2 with the lifestyle mission, I think we need to move on to that fight immediately.
But I have concern: if so many pilots are considering voting 'no' then there is real danger that these discontented members will resign from BALPA in disgust. I don't need to spell out the consequences of that reaction.
And a final thought: cabin crew will find it very difficult to live of their basic salary whilst we're striking for another percentage point on our pension. That's going to test CRM to the very limit when we start flying again!
JB
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JB, if you were to strike on issues such as rostering practices then Toby Nichol our easyJet spokesman will cloud the issues completely by saying yes they work hard but they earn close to £100k.
At that point it doesn't matter what unsafe rostering practices have been going on. All the public will see is the £100k flashing in big letters and any sympathy will evaporate.
It's useless to play the moral highground when the public sees £100k flashing in big letters.
I sense the pay ballot is really close.
At that point it doesn't matter what unsafe rostering practices have been going on. All the public will see is the £100k flashing in big letters and any sympathy will evaporate.
It's useless to play the moral highground when the public sees £100k flashing in big letters.
I sense the pay ballot is really close.
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Since when are pilots seeking public support to defend their job positions ?
Air France pilots threw a painful strike in the middle of the world cup in 1998 ! Good for them, they fought off the creation of a "B" scale. People still fly AF. More than ever.
If your tough, you get respect.
Take this pay offer, and aim at DECs, and support your reps in dealing with rostering imporvements.
Rome wasn't built in one day !
Air France pilots threw a painful strike in the middle of the world cup in 1998 ! Good for them, they fought off the creation of a "B" scale. People still fly AF. More than ever.
If your tough, you get respect.
Take this pay offer, and aim at DECs, and support your reps in dealing with rostering imporvements.
Rome wasn't built in one day !
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JB the same can be said about media coverage of BA and their threat to strike over pension and last time I checked they earned considerably more than Easyjet. Some people are all mouth and no trousers. Full of big talk until the chips are down. Wait and see what happens on 'lifestyle' issues and just how many are willing to take actual action when the chips are down. Most of those that cry about action over pay will also cry when it comes to action over rosters.
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Every year without fail it's always cave in now and "Jam Tomorrow".
So how come still the same old sh!t sandwich every day, tho now the "improved" variety on dry bread without mayo or relish???
WAKE UP, BALPA!!!! YOUR CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE. LAST CHANCE!!!
So how come still the same old sh!t sandwich every day, tho now the "improved" variety on dry bread without mayo or relish???
WAKE UP, BALPA!!!! YOUR CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE. LAST CHANCE!!!
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Originally Posted by Agaricus bisporus
WAKE UP, BALPA!!!! YOUR CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE. LAST CHANCE!!!
If you end up with a marginal "no" vote what kind of mandate is that giving to your CC to go back to management and demand huge increases in what is on offer? Very little I would suggest.
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Originally Posted by Pilot Pete
Err, when did BALPA have anything to do with the way the members in easyJet vote? The CC negotiate with management and get the best offer they can, which they present to their membership. If the majority vote "yes" to the deal, what the hell has it got to do with BALPA?
If you end up with a marginal "no" vote what kind of mandate is that giving to your CC to go back to management and demand huge increases in what is on offer? Very little I would suggest.
PP
If you end up with a marginal "no" vote what kind of mandate is that giving to your CC to go back to management and demand huge increases in what is on offer? Very little I would suggest.
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It is the pilot community which will decide YES or NO! Not BALPA!
And recommendation? I am making up my own mind and do not care who recommends what!!
And I believe the new paydeal is acceptable! Next issue LIFESTYLE, even more important, at least for me!
Lets go for this issue!
And recommendation? I am making up my own mind and do not care who recommends what!!
And I believe the new paydeal is acceptable! Next issue LIFESTYLE, even more important, at least for me!
Lets go for this issue!
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Yes, OK, that was perhaps a bit overstated - I was feeling a bit waspish when I posted that.
However, it is BALPA that headlines the process, and if we get another Jam Tomorrow result, as seems highly likely, I fear for the membership levels as the very many people who have recently joined because of BALPA's exhortations rediscover their objections to paying subs for scant results.
OK! OK! I know that results aren't all BALPA is about, but many of the newly joined membership have said they did so for a result on this round of talks and if they are disappointed by a deal that, far from making a "Career Airline" barely scratches above inflation they will pull out.
And if that lowered our membership back into levels where the Co have the upper hand again it would be nothing short of disastrous, not so?
However, it is BALPA that headlines the process, and if we get another Jam Tomorrow result, as seems highly likely, I fear for the membership levels as the very many people who have recently joined because of BALPA's exhortations rediscover their objections to paying subs for scant results.
OK! OK! I know that results aren't all BALPA is about, but many of the newly joined membership have said they did so for a result on this round of talks and if they are disappointed by a deal that, far from making a "Career Airline" barely scratches above inflation they will pull out.
And if that lowered our membership back into levels where the Co have the upper hand again it would be nothing short of disastrous, not so?
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp
All this "recommending this, recommending that" is giving some members a wrong idea of how negotiations and votes like these work....
Remember, the CC are often availed of privileged company information that they cannot release even to their own members. They can make an informed judgement on what the best deal is as they have sat through, the often days, of negotiations and know the position of their members and the company. Sometimes it is better for them to recommend a vote and to 'bank' the deal rather than to continue without full support or worse still when they know the company just aren't going to stretch another inch. That is all part of what you pay them to do. It doesn't mean you can't do as Kraut suggests, but remember, your strength is in your numbers and your unity. Give the CC no mandate to negotiate and they won't be able to get you anything better......
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Everybody will see different things in differnt pay offers - that's natural. So a democratic vote is the only way to resolve it. Simple majority wins - end of debate.
What, however, is always worth considering is what the alternative might be. An alternative without any collective representation would clearly have resulted in a pay freeze - full stop, and openly admitted by management.
Weak representation might have resulted in a per cent or 2, but certainly no more.
Would IPA, TG, or a locally organised group have produced anything different or, more significantly, better? I very much doubt it.
So the ony way, as I see it, is to unite behind the group that has reps elected by the group itself so that the collective strength is sufficient to exercise some influence over negotiations and the resulting deals.
Total control, and being able to constantly demand terms under constant threat of strike action is, in my personal view, ultimately ommercially damaging and desperately unsettling for the entire workforce. It's also airy fairy land.
I would like an extra 20% pay, min 20% company pension contribution, and 4 on 4 off with a min of 5 blocks of regular leave plus occasional days by negotiation however I obviously realise that it just ain't all realistically available (especially all in one go) and I have to prioritise my wish list and chip away little by little.
All stunningly boring..................but true!
What, however, is always worth considering is what the alternative might be. An alternative without any collective representation would clearly have resulted in a pay freeze - full stop, and openly admitted by management.
Weak representation might have resulted in a per cent or 2, but certainly no more.
Would IPA, TG, or a locally organised group have produced anything different or, more significantly, better? I very much doubt it.
So the ony way, as I see it, is to unite behind the group that has reps elected by the group itself so that the collective strength is sufficient to exercise some influence over negotiations and the resulting deals.
Total control, and being able to constantly demand terms under constant threat of strike action is, in my personal view, ultimately ommercially damaging and desperately unsettling for the entire workforce. It's also airy fairy land.
I would like an extra 20% pay, min 20% company pension contribution, and 4 on 4 off with a min of 5 blocks of regular leave plus occasional days by negotiation however I obviously realise that it just ain't all realistically available (especially all in one go) and I have to prioritise my wish list and chip away little by little.
All stunningly boring..................but true!
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EASYJET New Paydeal - Vote YES
The third paydeal proposal has now been put forward. With the deadline to vote fast approaching, any Easy pilots thinking to vote against, please re-consider.
We have fought our battle, and this new offer is very decent. Don’t be greedy, it is NOT in our interest to reject it.
I respect the ambition and determination of those soldiers that still have doubts. However, we have reached a point now where our management have more than sufficiently demonstrated their good will and commitment and we must look at the bigger picture.
The airline industry is facing some tough times ahead. IATA has predicted total losses of $2.2 billion for 2006 because of high fuel costs. Andy Harrison’s concerns about this are well founded. The inescapable fact is that we operate in a highly competitive, low-yield environment with rising costs. Consider for a moment that many of our colleagues on the other side of the Atlantic have accepted nominal pay cuts as high as 25% (Continental, Northwest, Delta etc.) to keep their companies flying.
Setting aside life style and other issues, let’s give our company the best possible chance to be successful in these tougher times, which is ultimately in our own interest, and vote in favour.
Accepting this new pay deal is not a sign of weakness. Quite the contrary, it shows our ability to collectively make rational decisions.
Easy Pilot
We have fought our battle, and this new offer is very decent. Don’t be greedy, it is NOT in our interest to reject it.
I respect the ambition and determination of those soldiers that still have doubts. However, we have reached a point now where our management have more than sufficiently demonstrated their good will and commitment and we must look at the bigger picture.
The airline industry is facing some tough times ahead. IATA has predicted total losses of $2.2 billion for 2006 because of high fuel costs. Andy Harrison’s concerns about this are well founded. The inescapable fact is that we operate in a highly competitive, low-yield environment with rising costs. Consider for a moment that many of our colleagues on the other side of the Atlantic have accepted nominal pay cuts as high as 25% (Continental, Northwest, Delta etc.) to keep their companies flying.
Setting aside life style and other issues, let’s give our company the best possible chance to be successful in these tougher times, which is ultimately in our own interest, and vote in favour.
Accepting this new pay deal is not a sign of weakness. Quite the contrary, it shows our ability to collectively make rational decisions.
Easy Pilot
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I personally believe that BALPA has emerged from this pay deal with enormous credibility. There will always be those who feel we should have gone for more - we nonetheless have achieved the best pay offer by far this year in the airline industry. We all know there are other issues at easyJet but we should nonetheless recognise the excellent work the CC have done on our behalf. Anyone with an eye on the outside world will realise that we are in a very uncertain industry and the smallest hiccup could change the status quo dramatically. Comanche's post is a very accurate take of the situation and I second his view entirely.
Those who are knocking this deal are making much of the lack of improvement in pension and I have some sympathy with that view. Nonetheless we have to balance that against the fact that this deal has been achieved at no one else's expense - in the past the FOs took the hit to pay for the Captains' increase! The rapid rise in the strength of BALPA has stopped unsrupulous managers from giving us an effective pay cut and instead has won us an industry-leading rise. Like any agreement it is not perfect, but it is nevertheless a great deal in the current climate and I have had no hesitation in voting 'Yes'.
Those who are knocking this deal are making much of the lack of improvement in pension and I have some sympathy with that view. Nonetheless we have to balance that against the fact that this deal has been achieved at no one else's expense - in the past the FOs took the hit to pay for the Captains' increase! The rapid rise in the strength of BALPA has stopped unsrupulous managers from giving us an effective pay cut and instead has won us an industry-leading rise. Like any agreement it is not perfect, but it is nevertheless a great deal in the current climate and I have had no hesitation in voting 'Yes'.
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Originally Posted by Comanche
The third paydeal proposal has now been put forward.
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NSF,
Who are you trying to convince, yourself or others? If it is the latter most can make up their own minds and have already done so. The vote will be close because it appears to be just a redistribution of the same pot. Once again some win, some lose and it is no real improvement over the last deal. In fact if the scenario you paint occurs we would have been better off with the last deal. Wait for the squeals from the crew when the company doesn't show the required profit for their bonus, accompanied by the howls of laughter from the other side until they realise they are in the same boat. Comanche's post reads like a desparate email from management. AH's concerns may be well founded but if he really wants to do something about it the company would be better served by dumping some of the numpties making the decisions that are wasting the hard work of the people at the coal face. Until that happens nothing much will change.
Who are you trying to convince, yourself or others? If it is the latter most can make up their own minds and have already done so. The vote will be close because it appears to be just a redistribution of the same pot. Once again some win, some lose and it is no real improvement over the last deal. In fact if the scenario you paint occurs we would have been better off with the last deal. Wait for the squeals from the crew when the company doesn't show the required profit for their bonus, accompanied by the howls of laughter from the other side until they realise they are in the same boat. Comanche's post reads like a desparate email from management. AH's concerns may be well founded but if he really wants to do something about it the company would be better served by dumping some of the numpties making the decisions that are wasting the hard work of the people at the coal face. Until that happens nothing much will change.
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I totally agree Bloggs. Comanche who are you trying to kid? if this goes through it will be more to do with apathy than anything else. its an OK deal but short of expectations based on current market and membership levels. Somehow people seem to think that if we let them away with this, the management will do the right thing on lifestyle. There are gonna be some very unhappy campers at the end of those negotiations and it won't be management. I hope to be proved wrong but the reality is that I won't.