Who are the lowest paid pilots?
Flock1,
You must be the hardest working teacher on the planet. There are 3 teachers in my immediate family and none of them work anywhere as near as many hours as you.
You made a choice to be a teacher and I assume that you were aware of the top end salary that you could get. The point of this thread is that there is such a big gap in salary scales for effectively doing the same job.
You must be the hardest working teacher on the planet. There are 3 teachers in my immediate family and none of them work anywhere as near as many hours as you.
You made a choice to be a teacher and I assume that you were aware of the top end salary that you could get. The point of this thread is that there is such a big gap in salary scales for effectively doing the same job.
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I dont normally post on here but my blood is boiling with people who have never done the job commenting that I am overpaid.
Why do I deserve my salary???
1. I had to pay a sh*t load of money to train for the position. The bank wants it back!
2. I had to perform to an extremely high standard to pass the training (both ground and air examinations). It aint easy ya know!
3. More importantly I MUST perform to that same extremely high standard when I get checked every 6 months in the simulator. OR IM SACKED!
4. I MUST perform to that same extremely high standard when I get checked every year on a line check (normal flight watched by a training captain). OR IM SUSPENDED pending further training or maybe SACKED!
4. I MUST PASS a rigourus MEDICAL ever year or every 6 months when I reach 40 years old. OR I CANT WORK!
5. We get zapped by harmful radiation in the cruise every day that normal joe public is never gonna get at ground level... dont forget that medical!!!!
6. MOST IMPORTANTLY... If I have a really bad day and my aircraft suffers a major failire and the sh*t really hits the fan. Its ME that has to save your bacon whether your sitting in the back or on the ground below!
I think as a professional pilot I deserve my salary... I could lose this income suddenly possibly 5 times a year just for having one bad day!!
The general public have forgotten in this modern day that Flying isnt Normal, We are not supposed to be up there (God would have given us wings etc.)...
I am lucky to have such a good job with good pay... Just please dont forget what I have stated above... It could all end next month for me at my medical or in two months in the sim or in 4 months on my line check.
My pay is good for my position but my colleagues who have posted before me deserve much higher pay!
Thats just what I think... but then again Im just a driver!!!
**** nose now waits for a torrent of the usual abuse from non believers!
PS. I was away from home 280 hours last month thats about 70 hours a week!
PPS. My teachers said Id never be a pilot
**** nose! B757 +£2k freight dawg!
Why do I deserve my salary???
1. I had to pay a sh*t load of money to train for the position. The bank wants it back!
2. I had to perform to an extremely high standard to pass the training (both ground and air examinations). It aint easy ya know!
3. More importantly I MUST perform to that same extremely high standard when I get checked every 6 months in the simulator. OR IM SACKED!
4. I MUST perform to that same extremely high standard when I get checked every year on a line check (normal flight watched by a training captain). OR IM SUSPENDED pending further training or maybe SACKED!
4. I MUST PASS a rigourus MEDICAL ever year or every 6 months when I reach 40 years old. OR I CANT WORK!
5. We get zapped by harmful radiation in the cruise every day that normal joe public is never gonna get at ground level... dont forget that medical!!!!
6. MOST IMPORTANTLY... If I have a really bad day and my aircraft suffers a major failire and the sh*t really hits the fan. Its ME that has to save your bacon whether your sitting in the back or on the ground below!
I think as a professional pilot I deserve my salary... I could lose this income suddenly possibly 5 times a year just for having one bad day!!
The general public have forgotten in this modern day that Flying isnt Normal, We are not supposed to be up there (God would have given us wings etc.)...
I am lucky to have such a good job with good pay... Just please dont forget what I have stated above... It could all end next month for me at my medical or in two months in the sim or in 4 months on my line check.
My pay is good for my position but my colleagues who have posted before me deserve much higher pay!
Thats just what I think... but then again Im just a driver!!!
**** nose now waits for a torrent of the usual abuse from non believers!
PS. I was away from home 280 hours last month thats about 70 hours a week!
PPS. My teachers said Id never be a pilot
**** nose! B757 +£2k freight dawg!
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I apologise for what I said. I didn't mean to imply that airline pilots are overpaid. In hindsight, this didn't come across in my earlier post.
My point was supposed to imply that junior first officers (or new hires) are actually paid quite a decent salary. What got my goat up was what some posters were seemingly implying, i.e. that their 2 grand a month (after tax) was a pittance.
To a lot of people, 2 grand a month is a hell of a lot.
Okay, I'm backing out of the 'big boys' arena now. I'm on my hands and knees backing out the door!
My point was supposed to imply that junior first officers (or new hires) are actually paid quite a decent salary. What got my goat up was what some posters were seemingly implying, i.e. that their 2 grand a month (after tax) was a pittance.
To a lot of people, 2 grand a month is a hell of a lot.
Okay, I'm backing out of the 'big boys' arena now. I'm on my hands and knees backing out the door!
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I'm no professional pilot, on the contary i'm only going to start for my PPL within the next year. I'm just about to graduate from uni so i've got quite a few debts. None as large as pilots though.
Sorry if it's irrelevant but i'd be willing to fly for less than a sales assistants pay.
I simply love to fly and thats all i've ever wanted to do. I don't condone pilots for their pay. I don't think it's undeserved. They're damn good at what they do.
So many want the job and so few actually are fortunate and qualified enough to do it.
I wish I had the same chance.
Fair play to all professional pilots I say.
That goes the same to teachers as I know how much sh*t they have to put up with. Especially in this day and age.
Ducks for incoming abuse.
Sorry if it's irrelevant but i'd be willing to fly for less than a sales assistants pay.
I simply love to fly and thats all i've ever wanted to do. I don't condone pilots for their pay. I don't think it's undeserved. They're damn good at what they do.
So many want the job and so few actually are fortunate and qualified enough to do it.
I wish I had the same chance.
Fair play to all professional pilots I say.
That goes the same to teachers as I know how much sh*t they have to put up with. Especially in this day and age.
Ducks for incoming abuse.
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Flock 1
You sound like a teacher mate. Try working in the real world.
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If you are not a professional pilot then might I suggest that you carry on flying just for pleasure. You're naive in the extreme. If you are a professional pilot then I am dumfounded. It's people like you that are driving down the hard-earned T & Cs in this industry.
Oh, and the person cleaning out the night club toilet on a sunday morning has exactly the same opportunity to become a commercial pilot as I and many of my friends had; it is just that we worked bloody hard and sacrificed a great deal to achieve it. If you asked him (whilst he was busy scrubbing the urinals) you might even discover that he was training to become a pilot and cleaning sh#tters to help fund it.
You sound like a teacher mate. Try working in the real world.
Flying Cop
If you are not a professional pilot then might I suggest that you carry on flying just for pleasure. You're naive in the extreme. If you are a professional pilot then I am dumfounded. It's people like you that are driving down the hard-earned T & Cs in this industry.
Oh, and the person cleaning out the night club toilet on a sunday morning has exactly the same opportunity to become a commercial pilot as I and many of my friends had; it is just that we worked bloody hard and sacrificed a great deal to achieve it. If you asked him (whilst he was busy scrubbing the urinals) you might even discover that he was training to become a pilot and cleaning sh#tters to help fund it.
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I would like to make a clarification to an earlier post I made. It has been pointed out to me that our cadet pilots here at easyJet do not get the same deal as everyone else in their first 6 months. This is because they are still 'owned' by CTC until they have done 6 months on line and become easyJet employees. In that 6 month period they receive £1000 per month tax free and no sector pay of any kind.
Also someone asked me what an easyJet captain would take home per month. It is hard to give an exact figure due to variations in sectors and so on. As a rough guide, assuming a 5% contribution from the captain and 500 sectors per year, you would get £4300-£4500 net monthly. On top of that he would get a one-off loyalty bonus payment every year of 5%, 10% or 15% of basic salary depending on whether he has been employed for 2-5,5-10 or 10+ years. 5% at today's salary level would be £2008 net. In Oct 2006 that will increase to £2213. This payment is dependent on the company being in profit on 30th September - which it always has been since the company began. I hope that helps.
Also someone asked me what an easyJet captain would take home per month. It is hard to give an exact figure due to variations in sectors and so on. As a rough guide, assuming a 5% contribution from the captain and 500 sectors per year, you would get £4300-£4500 net monthly. On top of that he would get a one-off loyalty bonus payment every year of 5%, 10% or 15% of basic salary depending on whether he has been employed for 2-5,5-10 or 10+ years. 5% at today's salary level would be £2008 net. In Oct 2006 that will increase to £2213. This payment is dependent on the company being in profit on 30th September - which it always has been since the company began. I hope that helps.
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Pay at NCA
I hate to change the subject, but I wonder if anyone knows what pilots who fly on contract in Japan make? I have heard that guys who work for Nippon Cargo Airlines, or All Nippon Airlines are making pretty good money. Any idea what their contracts pay?
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You only see the account when you grasp a Contract Pilot working for a Asian Company. The mimimum requirement for joining is in a A320/B737NG about 7000 hours in total, 2000 hours of Jet operation minimum and 500 hrs Command on type. So you are at least 12 years in the Industrie to achieve that expirience. If you want to grasp a A330/B767 then you should add have about 8000 hrs total and 3000hrs heavy 500 hrs type time. So add another one or two years. Then you have some other pain....
Diffrent culture you work in. You are the one who is not at home for a extended time and you allways get the bad schedule. It is amazing how a computer of the rostering department finds the Golf-course suitable destination never for you just for your Asian counterpart. In case of the Sars or the Asian Bird flu: You fly there where the germs are. Amazing how the Computer analyzes that himself. If you go and tell the Supervisor that the Schedule is not done equal then you will find yourself either in a even worse schedule so you have problems to go home once a month or, you find yourself that the contract is not extended after the 12 months period and you look for another job. That is a proven fact. I do not complain, You to try it but there downsides to consider when you go East.... If You are behind money only then go where the the price tag is the highest. Moderate will do for me......
The takehome for a A340/MD11/B744 is about 13.500 US$ a month. For a A320/B737 it is about US$ 9000. Just to complete the subject.
Good luck in your endavour
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Diffrent culture you work in. You are the one who is not at home for a extended time and you allways get the bad schedule. It is amazing how a computer of the rostering department finds the Golf-course suitable destination never for you just for your Asian counterpart. In case of the Sars or the Asian Bird flu: You fly there where the germs are. Amazing how the Computer analyzes that himself. If you go and tell the Supervisor that the Schedule is not done equal then you will find yourself either in a even worse schedule so you have problems to go home once a month or, you find yourself that the contract is not extended after the 12 months period and you look for another job. That is a proven fact. I do not complain, You to try it but there downsides to consider when you go East.... If You are behind money only then go where the the price tag is the highest. Moderate will do for me......
The takehome for a A340/MD11/B744 is about 13.500 US$ a month. For a A320/B737 it is about US$ 9000. Just to complete the subject.
Good luck in your endavour
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Everybody's throwing numbers around, so here's my data:
Central Europe FO 737 EFIS: 1750 EUR after all deductions (for 34 block hours)
I would run for the title: who's flying the least hours... :-)
Central Europe FO 737 EFIS: 1750 EUR after all deductions (for 34 block hours)
I would run for the title: who's flying the least hours... :-)
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....and this can go forever...
To all that say that pilots are overpaid you are wrong. Nothing personal with my reply. I don't know you and I don't know what you do. The real problem is that probably you ARE UNDERPAID. That is not the pilots fault nor the x employee writing here. It is the greed of so many not willing to share the wealth that is around the world , fairly. Go to the moon strip yourself from nationality and profession and watch the news from there . You will see how many deserve more and how many live with one dollar a day. Some of those around them have big budgets, atomic bombs, big armies and so on and Im not talking about the USA. It is a malaise of the human being. It has been that way ever since we were put in this planet. I wouldn't mind have my neighbor be paid the same as me. His knows and does what I don't. Let me extend you all, hard working people with lots of and different kind or responsibilities my support to get some day what you really deserve. In the mean time I consider myself lucky to do T/O and Lngs as a living.
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Originally Posted by goodspeedxxl
2 Ratings selfsponsored, 1600 Euro after tax w 80 hrs
Not to sound patrionising, but how can you make a living of that?? I "just" paid for my education and then worked my way up through GA until someone would pay me a rating, and I am really struggling to pay off my depdt.
How do you manage to get bread on the table with both education and two ratings to pay off ??? I am honestly just curious to see how it works as I would not be able to do it
