We should ask for more money
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: spain
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT IS EASIER????
20 YEARS AGO THEY HAD INS ,WEATHER RADAR ,AUTOPILOTS,
AUTO BRAKES,AUTO LAND,GLASS COCKPIT.
Please,you obviously have no clue about aviation.
Still you mentioned supply and demand,now every airline is in
demand,most of the airlines are growing,so what are you
talking about.
I asked a question that you did not answer,do you think a doctor
with 20 years experience is earning less now than what he used
to earn 20 years ago????
Our experience only counts if you stay with the same airline.
We are under paid,airlines sell cheap tickets because they
know they always can depend on their cheap labor,yet
when fuel prices went up they all managed to generate
more money.
20 YEARS AGO THEY HAD INS ,WEATHER RADAR ,AUTOPILOTS,
AUTO BRAKES,AUTO LAND,GLASS COCKPIT.
Please,you obviously have no clue about aviation.
Still you mentioned supply and demand,now every airline is in
demand,most of the airlines are growing,so what are you
talking about.
I asked a question that you did not answer,do you think a doctor
with 20 years experience is earning less now than what he used
to earn 20 years ago????
Our experience only counts if you stay with the same airline.
We are under paid,airlines sell cheap tickets because they
know they always can depend on their cheap labor,yet
when fuel prices went up they all managed to generate
more money.
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Airline pilots are not underpaid, indeed in many cases - especially where there is union representation - pilots are overpaid, as the nature of the union and collective bargaining overrides the actions of the job market to which non-unionised workers are exposed.
This eliminates competitiveness within the job market such that in times of labour shortage the employees are unable to take advantage through large pay rises that are able to fall again in times of need, since wage rates are sticky and especially so where the union does not allow wage rates to fall to the market rate prevailing at any one time.
You strike down any comparison with any other job - but unfairly so. Responsibility comes in many forms - just because you may pay with your life for your errors (and I note that not all incidents or even accidents result in the guaranteed death of all on board) - that is no reason for being paid huge danger money if there are many people willing to do the same job, and therefore driving down the price of your labour.
If anything, unions should actively market airline flying as boring tosh to dissuade youngsters from seeking to join the workforce, and hence bargain up their price of their labour.
Basically unions suck, and have no role in a competitive economy other than for preventing safety abuses and deviations by management.
You deem initially that you should be paid more as:
You however move on to later talking about the safety implications that arise when you hold responsibly for your life and that of all others - suggesting to me that you cannot pin down a reason as to why you should be paid more.
No - your fantastic union agreements ensure that airline will keep their pilots as you are so heavily penalised in changing airlines - for example in leaving BA.
Ultimately if you do not feel as though you are paid enough - is this the fault of the airline for operating in a marketplace and taking on the risk of employing you, training you and retraining you; or your fault for entering into that large loan to pay for your training in the first place?
This eliminates competitiveness within the job market such that in times of labour shortage the employees are unable to take advantage through large pay rises that are able to fall again in times of need, since wage rates are sticky and especially so where the union does not allow wage rates to fall to the market rate prevailing at any one time.
You strike down any comparison with any other job - but unfairly so. Responsibility comes in many forms - just because you may pay with your life for your errors (and I note that not all incidents or even accidents result in the guaranteed death of all on board) - that is no reason for being paid huge danger money if there are many people willing to do the same job, and therefore driving down the price of your labour.
If anything, unions should actively market airline flying as boring tosh to dissuade youngsters from seeking to join the workforce, and hence bargain up their price of their labour.
Basically unions suck, and have no role in a competitive economy other than for preventing safety abuses and deviations by management.
You deem initially that you should be paid more as:
I think it is about time for all pilots to demand more money afterall
we are the ones who are checked every six months,we are the ones who can not make a single mistake,we are the ones who miss most of our family occasions,and we are the ones who are
no longer humans according to rostering departments, we are either legal or not legal.......
we are the ones who are checked every six months,we are the ones who can not make a single mistake,we are the ones who miss most of our family occasions,and we are the ones who are
no longer humans according to rostering departments, we are either legal or not legal.......
Every airline is short of pilots, and for the coming years demand will be much more,this is our time and airlines must increase the salaries if they want to keep their pilots.
Ultimately if you do not feel as though you are paid enough - is this the fault of the airline for operating in a marketplace and taking on the risk of employing you, training you and retraining you; or your fault for entering into that large loan to pay for your training in the first place?
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Alba sor
Posts: 575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Basically unions suck, and have no role in a competitive economy other than for preventing safety abuses and deviations by management.
Airline Pilots by the sheer nature of the beast have to work for large organisations, they cannot be self employed (unless contract but thats a different matter), so there is no other way than some form of union membership, end of story.
The modern professional union is far removed from the 70's version, maybe you should research it a bit more before saying such drivel.
Modern airline 'management' makes union membership essential.
Edited to add that I have just noticed Re heat says he is a beancounter... sums it up really
Just wait until you make it to the 'flightdeck' as you seem to aspire to, reckon your view will change... if not beaten out of you by some straight talking skippers...
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
One does not have to be Tory to be liberal in economic thinking. What I can't stand is a fairly educated bunch of - generally - Tory voting people deluding themselves into thinking that unions are anything other than a highly socialist concept. This is in a day and age where the law gives adequate protection, and then have the audacity to claim that they are somehow reformed and professional, when they primarily still negotiate on pay.
Are you so naive as to think that every other union considers itself in the same light - do you really think that the baggage handlers and drivers think any differently or have less human reasoning than you to justify their existence. Of course not.
The safety role of the union I do not challenge one iota.
As implied by my safety comment, but ultimately strengthen the CAA to sort this out.
Your concept of a nitpicking beancouter should rather be applied to penny-pinching management. We simply record what they have done. Or failed to do. Or sort out the financial mess they created.
Are you so naive as to think that every other union considers itself in the same light - do you really think that the baggage handlers and drivers think any differently or have less human reasoning than you to justify their existence. Of course not.
The safety role of the union I do not challenge one iota.
Modern airline 'management' makes union membership essential.
Your concept of a nitpicking beancouter should rather be applied to penny-pinching management. We simply record what they have done. Or failed to do. Or sort out the financial mess they created.
Last edited by Re-Heat; 2nd Dec 2005 at 11:50.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re-heat
You suggest that pilots should not be paid 'danger money'. I would not suggest for a second that pilots are paid because pilots are paid because a plane might crash. But pilot error often in the form of poor decision making is the biggest cause of pilot error so pilots do have reasonability to make pilots must get it right first time. Are you suggesting that this should have no influence on pay?
If it does not you are suggesting that the market is the only factor that should influence a pilots pay, and that people should be paid according to the market and not the job they do?
Meeb says you are a beancounter , now i don’t know anything about counting beans but lets say that you are earning 50K and all the beancounters bosses around the world decide that all beancounter salaries should be cut to 30K. What you say suggests that this is acceptable just because the entire market has allowed it even though your job has not in fact changed
Chris
You suggest that pilots should not be paid 'danger money'. I would not suggest for a second that pilots are paid because pilots are paid because a plane might crash. But pilot error often in the form of poor decision making is the biggest cause of pilot error so pilots do have reasonability to make pilots must get it right first time. Are you suggesting that this should have no influence on pay?
If it does not you are suggesting that the market is the only factor that should influence a pilots pay, and that people should be paid according to the market and not the job they do?
Meeb says you are a beancounter , now i don’t know anything about counting beans but lets say that you are earning 50K and all the beancounters bosses around the world decide that all beancounter salaries should be cut to 30K. What you say suggests that this is acceptable just because the entire market has allowed it even though your job has not in fact changed
Chris
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Are you suggesting that this should have no influence on pay?
I am simply saying that so many people want to do it that salary has eroded as a result - you cannot justify a higher salary if many people are willing to replace you for a lower one. Hence start a campaign to convince everyone that it is a rubbish job - my tongue in cheek suggestion from above.
lets say that you are earning 50K and all the beancounters bosses around the world decide that all beancounter salaries should be cut to 30K. What you say suggests that this is acceptable just because the entire market has allowed it even though your job has not in fact changed
Whatever happens,.. happens!
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: 19' N, 82' W
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I never used to believe in unionizing, until one day certain outspoken members (yours truly included) of the pilot body were selected for "special" treatment by management.
Suddenly they could not get any time off when it was important to be with family, like Christmas, Childrens Birthdays, vacation during school holidays etc, all because they had the audacity to speak out for what should have been their rights!
We are all unionized now!
Regarding salary, where I live, inflation in the cost of living has topped 30% in the last 10 years, our pay has increased 9.5% and our productivity has improved in excess of 20%. We didn't press for more money believing that the company couldn't handle it, but somehow they manage to continue wasting resources at an alarming rate.
Now as the market for Pilots is favoring the Pilot rather then the airline, I doubt that the members of our association will continue to pay for the mistakes of management.
For the record, when I started my aviation career, airline Pilots used to earn approximately 5 times per capita income, now it is perhaps 2.5 - 3 times.
Merry Christmas all!
Suddenly they could not get any time off when it was important to be with family, like Christmas, Childrens Birthdays, vacation during school holidays etc, all because they had the audacity to speak out for what should have been their rights!
We are all unionized now!
Regarding salary, where I live, inflation in the cost of living has topped 30% in the last 10 years, our pay has increased 9.5% and our productivity has improved in excess of 20%. We didn't press for more money believing that the company couldn't handle it, but somehow they manage to continue wasting resources at an alarming rate.
Now as the market for Pilots is favoring the Pilot rather then the airline, I doubt that the members of our association will continue to pay for the mistakes of management.
For the record, when I started my aviation career, airline Pilots used to earn approximately 5 times per capita income, now it is perhaps 2.5 - 3 times.
Merry Christmas all!
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: surrey
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This thread is very amusing.
I am an ATCO, I control in the London TMA, quite a busy and complex piece of airspace.
If I make a mistake, Tariq, I can kill many more people than you. I
do not look after just one aircraft.
Pilots ARE skilled; however as an ex military aviator, I know what is a high cockpit workload and what is not. YES you should be given pay rises to keep up with cost of living rises (at the very least).
However, you have a very elitist and pompous attitude to other careers. You say that train drivers are not skilled due to the automation in their jobs - what about the automation in yours??
btw - my take home pay is £2600 a month; I do my job because it is a challenge and I enjoy it, but I would want more pay - who in their right mind in ANY job would not??
Why should I get paid a hell of a lot less than an FO or captain when my job is infinitely more challenging and carries similar risks (Yes, I know I could not die by my actions but see above about my liability)
When I sit in the seat to control, I work continuously on most occasions, though admittedly, it can be quiet some times and the pressure is not as high. Next time you are flying, sit back and take a look at what you actually do for most of the flight - monitor the Ts and Ps.
You guys do a sterling job but elitist attitudes like yours put people off.
Attitudes like yours will NOT win you pay rises or friends!!
I am an ATCO, I control in the London TMA, quite a busy and complex piece of airspace.
If I make a mistake, Tariq, I can kill many more people than you. I
do not look after just one aircraft.
Pilots ARE skilled; however as an ex military aviator, I know what is a high cockpit workload and what is not. YES you should be given pay rises to keep up with cost of living rises (at the very least).
However, you have a very elitist and pompous attitude to other careers. You say that train drivers are not skilled due to the automation in their jobs - what about the automation in yours??
btw - my take home pay is £2600 a month; I do my job because it is a challenge and I enjoy it, but I would want more pay - who in their right mind in ANY job would not??
Why should I get paid a hell of a lot less than an FO or captain when my job is infinitely more challenging and carries similar risks (Yes, I know I could not die by my actions but see above about my liability)
When I sit in the seat to control, I work continuously on most occasions, though admittedly, it can be quiet some times and the pressure is not as high. Next time you are flying, sit back and take a look at what you actually do for most of the flight - monitor the Ts and Ps.
You guys do a sterling job but elitist attitudes like yours put people off.
Attitudes like yours will NOT win you pay rises or friends!!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: spain
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
When I started this thread all what I wanted to say is that
pilots pay did not change for a long time,and in no way I did
imply that a pilot job is superior to any other job.
Ukatco I think the controlers of London TMA are doing
a fabulous job.
BUT I will tell you a nice story that happened to me,
In IMC over a CAT C airport.
while I was shooting a missed app,at 10500ft on a right
turn towards the airport, I saw another A/C on TECAS
same level flying towards me,ATC asked me
to climb 12500ft and asked the other traffic to des 9500
so I disconnected the autopilot and started climbing,
but the other traffic,instead of dec they climbed too,
So my TECAS ordered dec which I did,by that time
ATC saw that the other A/C climbing
and asked them to dec!!so they did,again TECAS
changed mode and asked me to climb,needless to
say what manuvers took place that day, and on
top of that we had to stay focused and continue
to our alternate A/P.
Again Iam not implying here that we are better
and your salary for what you do should be much much more.
pilots pay did not change for a long time,and in no way I did
imply that a pilot job is superior to any other job.
Ukatco I think the controlers of London TMA are doing
a fabulous job.
BUT I will tell you a nice story that happened to me,
In IMC over a CAT C airport.
while I was shooting a missed app,at 10500ft on a right
turn towards the airport, I saw another A/C on TECAS
same level flying towards me,ATC asked me
to climb 12500ft and asked the other traffic to des 9500
so I disconnected the autopilot and started climbing,
but the other traffic,instead of dec they climbed too,
So my TECAS ordered dec which I did,by that time
ATC saw that the other A/C climbing
and asked them to dec!!so they did,again TECAS
changed mode and asked me to climb,needless to
say what manuvers took place that day, and on
top of that we had to stay focused and continue
to our alternate A/P.
Again Iam not implying here that we are better
and your salary for what you do should be much much more.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have yet to see a doctor on "sh*t money"...!
(ATCO who's take home is around k2.5 a month.......and guess what, I'm HAPPY with that!)
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
That looks like fairly reasonable money for a doctor to me! By the way, 80 hours weeks for doctors are now banned by the EU, hence the shortage. All the talk about working whole weekends with an hours sleep and doing hand to hand combat with drunken patients is a bit like talking about the heroic pilots wrestling with the controls. Sounds good and makes great TV but the reality is rather more mundane, as a doctor I know told me when he was working at A&E in a well known televised hospital in a rough part of the north.
ukatco
Guilty of a little exaggeration there perhaps? Infinitely more challenging? Which part of your desk is in coffin corner for half the day?
Seems deathly quiet when I pass through Europe at 2am. I presume the UK is much the same. Anyway I was told you have a break every two hours at LTMA.
The voice of wisdom from a man who has clearly never flown in Africa or the Indian sub-continent.
ukatco
Why should I get paid a hell of a lot less than an FO or captain when my job is infinitely more challenging and carries similar risks
When I sit in the seat to control, I work continuously on most occasions, though admittedly, it can be quiet some times and the pressure is not as high.
Next time you are flying, sit back and take a look at what you actually do for most of the flight - monitor the Ts and Ps.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Birmingham/Nzhn
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
wow, those are some superhuman HO's you're describing - 50+ hours work with the odd hour break - hope they're keeping a clear head throughout as it's not a good idea for them to make a mistake!
having just left uni the HO's i know work damn hard and take a big hike in responsibility for the money they earn. However they all also enjoy a fair social life and more importantly enjoy their work. Being an HO isn't as bad as it used to be - EU rules ensure that! They do quite alright for cash, but that doesn't imply this is the olny reason they do it.
You can't really compare occupations - as you said, catheters and needles wouldn't be my cup of tea, and perhaps flying an airbus wouldn't be theirs.
most pilots are not on sh!t money, however in the current climate of a low supply and high demand (which is likely to worsen with the high average age of British pilots and growth of the industry) it is below where it should be - pilots don't get it that easy(apart from those guys in orange who i'm told are spoilt
)!
Is the time at which your services are most highly valued not a good time to ask for a pay rise?
mo - not a pilot or a doctor!
ps you don't sound that happy vamp
having just left uni the HO's i know work damn hard and take a big hike in responsibility for the money they earn. However they all also enjoy a fair social life and more importantly enjoy their work. Being an HO isn't as bad as it used to be - EU rules ensure that! They do quite alright for cash, but that doesn't imply this is the olny reason they do it.
You can't really compare occupations - as you said, catheters and needles wouldn't be my cup of tea, and perhaps flying an airbus wouldn't be theirs.
most pilots are not on sh!t money, however in the current climate of a low supply and high demand (which is likely to worsen with the high average age of British pilots and growth of the industry) it is below where it should be - pilots don't get it that easy(apart from those guys in orange who i'm told are spoilt
)!Is the time at which your services are most highly valued not a good time to ask for a pay rise?
mo - not a pilot or a doctor!
ps you don't sound that happy vamp
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Working 80 hrs per week is not illegal, the EWTD currently says a maximum of 56 hrs over a period of time.The period not specified.
Ther is no shortage of doctors in this country with unemployment in doctors increasing.
As to being paid danger money- be a surgeon. The risk of being exposed to HIV, Hep B and Hep C is there constantly and there is no insurance to cover that.
As to the figures being shown on the bmj website - remember 6 yrs at med school and then upwards of 8-12 yrs to qualify as a consultant and then you start on £65K and after 20 further years you might get £95K. Couple that with most doctors ending up with £20-25K in loans to get through med school and then further on going training costs not paid for by the NHS - totalling £2-3K and malpractice insurance and registration, the moeny does not go far.
Also, if you get on a plane every sodding airline in the world expects you to give your services free and not complain because you are a doctor, no I would be a pilot any day.
Pilots would like many people to be paid more but as I said before market forces dictate what you get. If you want more - strike but do not just whinge about it and if you want to compare yourself to a comparable proper profession then do a correct comparision
Ther is no shortage of doctors in this country with unemployment in doctors increasing.
As to being paid danger money- be a surgeon. The risk of being exposed to HIV, Hep B and Hep C is there constantly and there is no insurance to cover that.
As to the figures being shown on the bmj website - remember 6 yrs at med school and then upwards of 8-12 yrs to qualify as a consultant and then you start on £65K and after 20 further years you might get £95K. Couple that with most doctors ending up with £20-25K in loans to get through med school and then further on going training costs not paid for by the NHS - totalling £2-3K and malpractice insurance and registration, the moeny does not go far.
Also, if you get on a plane every sodding airline in the world expects you to give your services free and not complain because you are a doctor, no I would be a pilot any day.
Pilots would like many people to be paid more but as I said before market forces dictate what you get. If you want more - strike but do not just whinge about it and if you want to compare yourself to a comparable proper profession then do a correct comparision
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 292
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sooooo predictable that every time this subject comes up we end up with a bunch of people who aren't actually airline pilots telling us why we don't deserve any more pay and that anyway we're all just a load of old whingers........
What's up? If you're happy with what you get in your job, then fine.
To the ATCO's above and others who say or imply we're somehow being elitist - what a strange attitude to take. As I've said, if you're happy with your money, then leave it at that. Great. But why would you not want us to get a pay rise if we could? What's your motivation?
Tarik, you speak the truth.
What's up? If you're happy with what you get in your job, then fine.
To the ATCO's above and others who say or imply we're somehow being elitist - what a strange attitude to take. As I've said, if you're happy with your money, then leave it at that. Great. But why would you not want us to get a pay rise if we could? What's your motivation?
Tarik, you speak the truth.
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Actually vampy if you read that document a junior doctor (House Officer) earns £19,700 in their first year for a 40 hour week (two thirds of a tube drivers salary and after 3 years of university-at that stage, as you say they still have a lot further to go)!
There are lots of higher figures in that document Re-Heat posted - but (as a parallel) for some reason if you ask anyone what a pilot earns the most common answer is £60K. Many do earn that - but many more do not, no-one quotes £20k for a turboprop FO. Doctors have the potential to earn more - so do we and we don't kill people the first day we start work, we sit in a classroom for weeks, then are closely supervised on an aircraft then work under a Capt for years.
Doctors hours and salaries have been changed recently (NHS trusts are still ordering doctors to lie about how many hours they work though since following the 'proper pay' for hours worked they have found that they are all going bankrupt) but it is still only a few years since my spouse worked 120 hour weeks as a junior doctor (not always but certainly not rare) and those weren't spent reading the paper either. And before recent legislation came in that worked out as about two thirds of minimum wage! The only reason a doctor earned more that a waiter/ress (and that is before tips) was that the food employees hours were protected by law!
I am a pilot and I sit in the right seat of a jet. I would love to earn more (who wouldn't). But do we deserve it? During my ATPL exams I met many people who would not pass GCSE maths by a country mile but scraped through the exams (and kept quoting how they were an equivalent to a degree! - see wannabees forum several months ago for further if you wish). If you have the co-ordination to drive a car you can pass your ATPL and if you are lucky you can get a job. Does that merit 100K a year - I don't think it doea. Do I want that 100K because I stuck at it and went through the system - you betya. Do (or should) the earnings of other professions affect our own - no.
There are lots of higher figures in that document Re-Heat posted - but (as a parallel) for some reason if you ask anyone what a pilot earns the most common answer is £60K. Many do earn that - but many more do not, no-one quotes £20k for a turboprop FO. Doctors have the potential to earn more - so do we and we don't kill people the first day we start work, we sit in a classroom for weeks, then are closely supervised on an aircraft then work under a Capt for years.
Doctors hours and salaries have been changed recently (NHS trusts are still ordering doctors to lie about how many hours they work though since following the 'proper pay' for hours worked they have found that they are all going bankrupt) but it is still only a few years since my spouse worked 120 hour weeks as a junior doctor (not always but certainly not rare) and those weren't spent reading the paper either. And before recent legislation came in that worked out as about two thirds of minimum wage! The only reason a doctor earned more that a waiter/ress (and that is before tips) was that the food employees hours were protected by law!
I am a pilot and I sit in the right seat of a jet. I would love to earn more (who wouldn't). But do we deserve it? During my ATPL exams I met many people who would not pass GCSE maths by a country mile but scraped through the exams (and kept quoting how they were an equivalent to a degree! - see wannabees forum several months ago for further if you wish). If you have the co-ordination to drive a car you can pass your ATPL and if you are lucky you can get a job. Does that merit 100K a year - I don't think it doea. Do I want that 100K because I stuck at it and went through the system - you betya. Do (or should) the earnings of other professions affect our own - no.
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Also, if you get on a plane every sodding airline in the world expects you to give your services free and not complain because you are a doctor.
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Alba sor
Posts: 575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
During my ATPL exams I met many people who would not pass GCSE maths by a country mile but scraped through the exams
If you have the co-ordination to drive a car you can pass your ATPL
There... now that has to be the most stupid thing I have ever heard on PPRuNe... and thats saying something....
BTW Ropey Pilot (and I am sure you are), how you can be
I am a pilot and I sit in the right seat of a jet.
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 292
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If you have the co-ordination to drive a car you can pass your ATPL and if you are lucky you can get a job.
What you say may or may not be true if you're talking about someone scraping through the licencing requirements.
But to imply that this is all it takes to get into the right hand seat of a jet and ultimately become an airline Captain is an absolute slur on the profession.
And what a strange character you must be if you would denigrate your profession, and therefore yourself, in this way.
What a load of old twaddle.
And I'd still love to know what all this has to do with pilots' getting more money.