British Airways DEP Selection - THE lowdown Part 1

[binsleepen]

Hi,

I believe the requirement is for FY11/12 which starts in Apr 11. Thats why they need the TR guys so they can start the training in April and still have them on line for the summer. That is why they are not taking non TR guys as the training will take too long to be useful next summer.

regards

[Eurotraveller]

Mr Bernoulli said earlier:

So, you must have the 500 hours "at the point of application" (which could be done as late as the end of Jan 2011), and recency on an appropriate type "within the last 12 months". I don't think there is much room for doubt there.

Interested to know how other people are interpreting this.

BA say their requirements are:

A current type rating on either the Airbus A320 series or Boeing 737/757/767, with an ATPL(F) and a minimum of 500 hrs recent experience on type.
Please ensure you have these hours now, at the point of application.
for your information recency is:- flown on one of the above type(s) within the last 12 months

Does this mean that:

- you must have flown at least 500 hours ON TYPE within the last 12 months?

Or

- simply that you must have "flown on one of the above types" within the last 12 months? (ie done SOME flying on those types in the last 12 months, and obviously have 500 hours on type, but not required for all of that time to be within the last 12 months)...

I ask because I am currently part time and have considerably more than 500 hours on type, but not quite 500 hours within the past 12 months, if you're still following me!

[757_Driver]

I'm pretty sure that they mean current rating, 500 hours TOTAL time on type, with your last flight within the last 12 months. Thats what they said last time round - "latest flight within the last 12 months"
I'm in the same boat as you, got a couple of thousand hours continuous experience on type, am still employed and working but not 500 hours in the last year as its been a pretty lean year.
The application form is not automated in this respect anyway - so it won't get automatically bounced.
It's got a few 'freeform' text boxes that ask for a breakdown of your total hours in various forms, and also the dates of your most recent LPC and OPC.
Guess they make a decision from there.

[Pin Head]

How easy is commuting as a junior FO from mainland europe? Possible but totally knackering?

[Isobars]

Cesco /757 driver

..."I think ATPL(F) actually refers to the fATPL you mention 757_Driver, as usually the fixed wing ATPL seems to be referred to as ATPL(A), however I stand to be corrected of course as the case may be!..."



So what is correct ..JAA/..JAR FCL ...ATPL A (F) ....ATPL (A)(F)....??

Any clue as to correct terminology to be used here for holder of JAR FCL CPL ME IR with ATPL theory credit ?

[babotika]

CPL/ATPL (A) / (H) / (G) / etc. is the reference to the type of aircraft, (F) doesn't exist to my knowledge. I don't know if there is any convention for frozen ATPL, I always spell it out in full to avoid ambiguity.

This was the most involved application form I have ever filled out, felt like being at the interview already. I hope they like my ramblings tomorrow...

S.

[Isobars]

Thanks for the explination.

Good Luck for the interview

[Wirbelsturm]

fATPL(A)/(H) has generally been the accepted denotation.

[Eurotraveller]

Thanks 757_Driver, that seems a sensible interpretation.

Eurotraveller

[Busbar]

I know this has been covered before but it was while ago and I just wanted to re-confirm. When you add your employment history, it asks you to do it in 'reverse chronological order'. But when you do this, it logs it the opposite way, i.e. your oldest job is at the top of the list.

Is this normal? Is it just the way the form is designed?

Thanks for your help

BB

[Eurotraveller]

Busbar,

Your oldest job will always appear at the top of the list no matter what order you input them; however, if you do it in reverse chronological order as instructed the jobs will appear in the right order at the end of the application (in the 'Print Summary' link that appears once you've submitted).

Hope this helps.

[pre3l2s]

For Employment History, the form asks for significant employment.

Any thoughts on what this means? Long term employment, every working job I have held, non-paid work experience positions??

[Busbar]

Eurotraveller,

Thanks very much. I knew I had read that previously but just wanted it confirmed.

pre3l2s,

It does state on the employment history section to indicate whether it was full time, part time, work experience or non-paid / voluntary type work (or words to that effect). I would include things that will support your application. For example I did a weeks work experience (un-paid) at BA some years ago, however I consider that 'significant' as I am applying for a job with them. Hope that makes sense anyway?

Good luck!

[brit bus driver]

How easy is commuting as a junior FO from mainland europe? Possible but totally knackering?

On average you'll get about 13 days a month off. Either early starts, so prob have to get to LHR the night before or lates, so go home the next day. If you're not fussed about weekends, you might get a look in at Stage 1 (ie get what you want) which obviously gives you more control over your commuting. Failing that it's blind lines which means you'll work less, and maybe even get longer trips as one of your blind line preferences. The down side is that you'll potentially end up with more days of Time Assignable (which is where they have to let you know the night before if you're needed); obviously not hugely commuter-friendly. Plenty of guys have digs around Heathrow to cover such eventualities (inc reserve months) or enough places to stay for or about £25 - £35.

HTH.

[Permafrost_ATPL]

Regarding the essays... Are they processed by one of those HR software kits that look for keywords, sentence length, etc. or are they actually read by a human? Anybody got any advice, especially on major No-nos?

Thx

P

[lightsout]

For anybody else hoping to get the application done over the weekend.................but DIDN'T!! Even tho' it was raining all weekend and you didn't leave the house!

I have just got the book that was mentioned, get ahead for the sky, quick read over breakfast and it looks spot on and i reckon gona help with the four major questions.

And Permafrost, i don't know mate but everyone i speak to (including someone who used to be on the panel)..... apparently it really is worth putting in the time n effort into the long questions.

[davecfm56]

Has a conclusion been reach with regard to ATPL(F)?

The third question asked at the start of the application states:

'Do you have a full JAA/CAA ATPL?'

therefore, does the '(F)' denote 'Full' ruling out frozen ATPL holders?

Regards, Dave.

[Wirbelsturm]

AFAIK,

There is NO requirement for a FULL (I.e. Unfrozen) ATPL for short haul operations as you will not be acting as the PIC in a heavy position as in LH.

I believe (from a buddy of mine who will be interviewing the lucky applicants ) that the wording of the website means CPL with full exam passes. Thus fATPL(A).

A simple phone call could clear it all up rather than rely on a Rumour website.

(P.S. Yes, I do work for BA!)

[VJW]

Breaking news!!

Not every FR pilot has an Irish Licence!

We weren't all that silly

[Orvilles dad]

One requirement to get an ATPL unfrozen is to have 1500 hours.

BA ask for only type rating and min 500 hours on type. So conceivably, you could be an Oxford Wunderkind with 250 training hours and 500 hours at FR and apply - you'd be miles away from getting your license unfrozen.

So clearly, BA mean ATPL (F) to mean a frozen license.

If BA had said they needed 2000 hours of which 500 were on type, then that would have been confusing, but wording it as they did, its clear they will accept guys with Frozen ATPL's.

OD :-)=