People Leaving Ezy For Greener Pastures.

[NOT ORANGE]

Well done again BALPA ..what a bunch of self serving b*****ds they really are.8 % pay cut for people who have been there 5 years .What with last year that self serving midget getting full pay for over 60s ..you guessed it hes over sixty ,now the trainers lining their pockets ,I just think it is nothing short of scandalous!If Easy management think they have been really clever they will see by the continuing loss of experienced drivers that is not the case.Do what I did save yourself 600 quid and get a new job.And yes the grass is very much greener.

[LordLucan]

Headbutt

Fimbles is right, one of the reasons a lot of us wont join the union is because it has loudmouth w***ers like you in its ranks.

If the union started to provide a decent service and gave value for money we might consider it. Leave the recriutment to the big boys, they stand a chance of converting us, you are simply reinforcing my reasons not to rejoin.

Happy Days in my tangerine dreamworld!

[boxmover]

Not Orange

Its not “BALPA” but the local company council (elected by ezy pilots) that has done this deal. If you don’t like it don’t vote for them next time, or even better stand for election

[Wizofoz]

NOTORANGE,

8 % pay cut for people who have been there 5 years .

Total c**k. The loyalty bonus stays for this year, PLUS profit share. The profit share replaces the bonus after that ONLY if the CC agrees with profit share scheme, and FOs will be included. No agreement, no change.

now the trainers lining their pockets

Industry standard is 15% for line trainers. The deal takes easy from 10% to 12.5%. Better but still LESS than the going rate (no I'm not a trainer). Out of interest, what sort of a premium does training attract in your new employ?

Do what I did save yourself 600 quid and get a new job.And yes the grass is very much greener.

Happy for you. I take it you have no input or comeback in pay negotiation at your nice green field as you don't belong to an industrial organisation?

You didn't like easy, so you left. Good for you. Kindly don't talk c**p about things you obviously don't understand, or people doing the best they can to improve things.

[Too Low Terrain]

Going to start with EZY soon.

Can someone explain the new pay-scheme again ? I think it´s totally unclear by reading the previous posts.

Now more Loyalty Bonus ?

Please explain........

[Wizofoz]

TLT,

Pay deal has been a blanket 4% rise in base + sector pay.However that will be it for the next 18mths.

For the next 18 months the loyalty bonus remains unchanged, but there will also be a capped profit share as well.

The aim is to replace the loyalty bonus with an uncapped profit share scheme after that time, but ONLY if it is agreed to by the Company Council. It can be rejected if not satisfactory, in which case it is status quo.

[Too Low Terrain]

Thank you Wizofoz ! That sounds clear now.

When is the rise officially introduced ? Start date ? 01.04.04 ?

For the first 2 years new entrants do not receive a loyalty bonus anyway, so I hope CC will agree to an uncapped bonus thereafter....

[speedbird800]

When easyjet purchased go, it was a dark day in hell. 1000 employee's worked for go out of STN, BFS, EDI,GLS,EMA and BRS. How many of them are left today? May be 80 if your lucky. Why have they all left? Simple , some were made redundant, which is a fact of take overs, but the most saw the writing on the wall.

easyjet management see the work force as disposable drill bits. When one gets worn out just replace them with another. The pilots are fed up to the back teeth. May be not all of them but a lot of them. The cabin crew can't wait to go to another airline, again may be not all of them but a lot of them. Directors. Don't get me started. There has been so many changes in directors over the last 2 years it's a joke.

I feel really sorry for the staff of easyjet. A lot of them thought that due to the fact that easyjet were buying go, a lot of the go Directors, Management and Policies would come with it. Oh no. The go managers that did come over have nearly all left. There is only one go Director left out of 3 that came across. As for policies, even if they were written down in stone and gold the easyjet management would not be able to read it. If they could they wouldn't follow the instructions on how to run a good airline, keep your staff and offer sensible rosters and staff travel.

easyjet have so many problems trying to find cabin crew, they have now decided to bond the ones they do find.

The fastest way for easyjet to turnaround and keep the staff that it has is to simply go to WH Smiths, Waterstones or Borders. All of which are book shops and buy Barbara Cassani's Book. Go An Airline Adventure. It details in Black & White how to run a Airline and keep your staff and make them happy and still make tones of money, whilst at the same time Keeping all your passengers happy as well. If you don't think what i've wrote is true then go to http://www.iheartgo.com and check out what the ex staff of go have to say about their old airline and the passengers as well. I don't hear the same from easyjet passengers and Crew.

PS Ray when exactly are you going to retire?

Soon Please

If only go had brought easyjet think how great the airline would have been today.

Decent Staff travel
Staff who would be proud to say they worked for the company
Pilots happy
Cabin Crew Happy
Passengers Happy
Bank Manager Happy
A CEO who was loved by the work force
Profit Share at the end of September to the tune of 4-5K a year for everyone.

Thats what the staff had at go. Now for those who are left they have Ray. Say hello to everyone Ray. Well you can't say hello to everyone because the majority of Spanish, Italian, Dutch and French Cabin had to leave the company due to the fact that you want to charge them a quarter of there months salary to go home to see their families because your to scared and selfish to implement a sensible staff travel policy.

All replies please address to Ray

[NOT ORANGE]

I would urge people not to bother with BALPA as RW will not listen and the cc only look after themselves.What I would do is look for a new employer ..now.In the 5 years I was with them it was truly awful for my social life (5 weekends off in one year) my family life suffered and my health wasnt exactly great.The trainers took all of the reasonable flights(cant train at night ...why not thats all youll be doing) the base managers had every weekend off and were lazy arrogant sods and top management were only interested in profit at all costs.It wont change ,get out and life might just start to look a bit better.

[Mother]

For a sensible, lively and informed discussion re easyJet pay and discussions go to the company balpa website. For the usual ill-informed crap pushed out by imbalanced saddos then please stay here on pprune.

[Wizofoz]

NOT ORANGE,

You are spouting the most god awful tosh. I really wonder at you motivation.

5 weekends in a year?

We work 6 on 3 off. We therefore get any particular day of the week one third of the time. 52 weeks divided by three... you do the math (though after the c**k you were talking re the pay rise, maybe you can't!). And that doesn't take into account the 5 times you take a twelve day break (Three days off, six days leave, three days off) in a year.

I did plenty of training at night, and my roster on line is indestinguishable from the trips I did training.

easy is not perfect and is worthy of intelligent debate about improvement.

You, however, are supplying hysterical nonsense.

[ILLUMINATI25]

It seems you boys at ezy have the same problem as all non BA companies. BALPA. The only people who ever have a good word to say abou them are BA guys.
There is an alternative you know. The IPF, although they are small they are growing and I don't think it will be long before they represent alot of non BA companies. Give it some thought.
PS I don't work for them.

[boxmover]

I think that before I jump into bed with the IPF I will wait for some evidence of performance. If/when IPF organised companies start getting above average wage/condition deals I will look very closely at joining. Until then I will just look very closely at the IPF.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

The IPF are not a legally constituted Trade Union and have never and can never organise legally protected Industrial Action. They therefore have no teeth whatsoever and never will. BALPA on the other hand CAN provide the whole legal circus necessary to form a legally protected strike.

I can think of nothing more exciting for airline management than the prospect of pilots joining multiple 'unions'.

Cheers


WWW

[AJ]

speedbird800, do you work for easyJet? If so, you don't seem to have much perspective on the situation, specially with regards to cabin crew.

The cabin crew can't wait to go to another airline, again may be not all of them but a lot of them

I don't think that's even a "reasonable" reflection of the way things are in that 'department'. The majority of cc at easyJet are actually very happy with their deal (work hard, good pay). Of course there are those aspiring to work elsewhere, but not necessarily for the reasons you state; more likely, like myself simply for a change in scenery. Many stay on to become seniors and equally many have no intention of leaving for now.

easyjet have so many problems trying to find cabin crew, they have now decided to bond the ones they do find

Where on earth did you get this idea? The airline in fact has VERY LITTLE problems recruiting crew! The reason for the large recruitment campaign is due to big expansion!! As for 'bonding' Cabin Crew - well, that's the first I've heard of it!!

Are you ex-Go? Never worked for Go myself although I've heard some great things about them. HOWEVER, Go is DEAD and it is evident that some ex-Go staff at easyJet can't get over this!! If you don't like the conditions at easyJet, stop moaning and offer your skills to someone else!!

easyJet has two main problems at the moment:

1) rostering (6 on 3 off, 3 earlies followed by 2 lates - not a sustainable lifestlye, I totally agree, irrespective of whether you're flying or selling drinks at the back...)

2) Staff Travel (or 'Staff Travel Lucky Dip')

I think most agree that if these issues were dealt with and a reasonable outcome was the result (everyone knows that issue 1) is at least being tackled at the moment), then life at easyJet would actually dramatically improve.

However, the point is that life AT THE MOMENT (at least from my discussions with much of the Flightdeck) isn't as bad as some of you are making it out to be; certainly not for the Cabin Crew, I can assure you (and I'm not even a 'Senior'...).

speedbird, I actually picked up a copy of Cassani's book at Stansted the other day...sounds like it was a pretty decent outfit to work for, and why not learn some lessons? But please keep it into perspective; ezy was NEVER going to be the same airline, it wasn't spawned from BA. Things aren't perfect at ezy, but hardly as horrendous as you make them out to be! Comparisons with Go aren't always warranted. Would you want to compare Ryanair with Go?

[Nil further]

AJ

What a great post , i was trying to think of a diplomatic way to say all those things .

I joined EZY after the merger and i am sick and tired of all that nonsense . I respect that people employed by GO feel hard done buy however that doesnt justify comments like the post we have just read ; nor does it justify asking " are you easy or GO ? " as your first question to a colleague in the morning and then deciding your behaviour for the rest of the day.

As my accountant put it " you cant buck the market" . GO was a private company , funded by private investors who saw an opportunity to take a profit and they took it. That s business!

As i undertand it , all the GO people were rewarded at the time including Ms Cassani , for whom i have the greatest respect .

If people put as much effort in to supporting the EZY c.c in their current efforts as they do whingeing about stuff like this we would all be working 3 days a month for £250,000 p.a.

NF

[Captain Airclues]

WWW

The IPF are not a legally constituted Trade Union and have never and can never organise legally protected Industrial Action

Are you sure about your facts here? The first line in the rules of the IPF states "The federation formed under these Rules, hereinafter called the IPF, shall be a registered trade union". It goes on to state that it is entitled to represent members, and ballot for industrial action under the Trades Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992.

Airclues

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

I didn't think they were a legally constitued Trace Union under the present legislation. Maybe that has changed.

Under the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 (c. 52) the Certification Officer publishes a report listing all the Unions in the land. My copy does not contain the IPF. It may - though - be out of date.

Regardless - they never get close to the membership level required for recognition... And even if they did, running a legally defensible industrial action, against a major employer and their lawyers; would prove financially and resourcefully taxing even for the likes of BALPA...


Cheers

WWW

[Hamrah]

The IPF are a fully fledged Union and have a recognition agreement with a UK airline.

H

[Wizofoz]

True H, but only a little one (though a BLOODY good one!!)

Fact is, which ever union is involved, the F2F negotiators are easy Pilots voted in by easy Pilots, so which union is in the background is rather irrelevant.

BTW, did Astraeus pilots get a 4% pay rise and profit share deal this year?