737-400 ferry to EGBP - Kemble
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737-400 ferry to EGBP - Kemble
Is there anybody who cares to share some info obout EGBP - Kemble from pilot perspective
How to reach it, navaids, atc etc.
Thanks in advance
How to reach it, navaids, atc etc.
Thanks in advance
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Did all that, no instrument procedures, one NDB off the runway...
I'm looking for pilots perspective, not something you can read from the chart, since I need to put an B737 there.
And I do not appreciate your tone.
I'm looking for pilots perspective, not something you can read from the chart, since I need to put an B737 there.
And I do not appreciate your tone.
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I'm glad you don't appreciate my tone, because I find it gobsmackingly unbelievable that anyone ferrying a medium sized jet would rely on information gleaned from an internet forum.
Just so we are clear, I'm calling you unsafe.
And since I live pretty close to Kemble I'd appreciate it if you stayed well clear rather than blundering into my back garden.
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Just so we are clear, I'm calling you unsafe.
And since I live pretty close to Kemble I'd appreciate it if you stayed well clear rather than blundering into my back garden.
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Quote: Here's a hint: England is the big island north a bit from France.
You may be old fashioned but you were crap at geography, How can England be an island when it has Scotland and Wales attached to it??? Should check your fact before being extremely rude to people.
You may be old fashioned but you were crap at geography, How can England be an island when it has Scotland and Wales attached to it??? Should check your fact before being extremely rude to people.
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Much as I'd love to indulge in a discussion about the nature of Britain versus england versus the UK etc, Hawker you are of course quite correct.
And frankly I don't care, because it is not germane to the point of this thread. Neither do I care if you consider it rude; the fact remains that we have an entire infrastructure dedicated to providing flight planning information and a guy that doesn't seem know how to use it. (I mean if it was his first trip to somewhere like Chambery, fair enough, although the question then would be why isn't the operator providing you with a Cat C brief/training).
And we are not talking about a new PPL here, this is someone who intends to fly a complex airliner. An aircraft that is (or can be ) certified for P-RNAV approaches, in a pretty benign part of the world. Now of course if there are no published approachs then you need to make a visual approach not make up your own RNAV one, but my point is if you can't get into the right part of the sky to do that in a 737-400, even if the local aid is only an NDB, then there is something seriously wrong.
And if there is an unresolved question, go to the horses mouth! Get on the phone and ask the relevant authority (in this case calling Kemble Ops would be a good place to start)
But using a set of anonymous forums instead? COME ON.
And people wonder why the perception of our profession is going down hill.
God forbid this guy has an incident. Can you imagine the subsequent day in court? Could you really rely on information gathered here to show that you'd discharged your planing obligations as the commander?
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And frankly I don't care, because it is not germane to the point of this thread. Neither do I care if you consider it rude; the fact remains that we have an entire infrastructure dedicated to providing flight planning information and a guy that doesn't seem know how to use it. (I mean if it was his first trip to somewhere like Chambery, fair enough, although the question then would be why isn't the operator providing you with a Cat C brief/training).
And we are not talking about a new PPL here, this is someone who intends to fly a complex airliner. An aircraft that is (or can be ) certified for P-RNAV approaches, in a pretty benign part of the world. Now of course if there are no published approachs then you need to make a visual approach not make up your own RNAV one, but my point is if you can't get into the right part of the sky to do that in a 737-400, even if the local aid is only an NDB, then there is something seriously wrong.
And if there is an unresolved question, go to the horses mouth! Get on the phone and ask the relevant authority (in this case calling Kemble Ops would be a good place to start)
But using a set of anonymous forums instead? COME ON.
And people wonder why the perception of our profession is going down hill.
God forbid this guy has an incident. Can you imagine the subsequent day in court? Could you really rely on information gathered here to show that you'd discharged your planing obligations as the commander?
pb
Capt Pit Bull,
How do you know that 737 hasn't done all of those things? For all you know he may be prepared to learn as much as possible by seeking any local knowledge from those who have done it. For example, who will tell him to be careful about not confusing Kemble with some of the other local airfields which tend to stand out more than Kemble when approaching from the West.
In my opinion you are a dangerous sort of person to have around aviation because you discourage people from asking questions in case someone thinks they are stupid. You may have had a long and safe career yourself but I wonder how many others have got into trouble because of your attitude.
How do you know that 737 hasn't done all of those things? For all you know he may be prepared to learn as much as possible by seeking any local knowledge from those who have done it. For example, who will tell him to be careful about not confusing Kemble with some of the other local airfields which tend to stand out more than Kemble when approaching from the West.
In my opinion you are a dangerous sort of person to have around aviation because you discourage people from asking questions in case someone thinks they are stupid. You may have had a long and safe career yourself but I wonder how many others have got into trouble because of your attitude.
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And if there is an unresolved question, go to the horses mouth! Get on the phone and ask the relevant authority (in this case calling Kemble Ops would be a good place to start)
This is a profession pilots' forum. Perhaps he was expecting some qualified answers. Experience tells you things that manuals and people in stuffy offices might not.
I think it's admirable that he's going that extra mile.
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who will tell him to be careful about not confusing Kemble with some of the other local airfields
Look at the chart, it'll show those airfields. Then you can say to yourself, hmmm better keep my wits about me here.
How do you know that 737 hasn't done all of those things?
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I really don't know if the original poster is on a wind-up, but if not I'd suggest him to go onto the CAA website (Ok, technically NATS 
), download the AIP information and probably also the VFR charts of the area.
I've been into Kemble, but in nothing as big as a 734, not the hardest airfield in the world to do an NPA into.
), download the AIP information and probably also the VFR charts of the area.I've been into Kemble, but in nothing as big as a 734, not the hardest airfield in the world to do an NPA into.
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How do you know that 737 hasn't done all of those things? For all you know he may be prepared to learn as much as possible by seeking any local knowledge from those who have done it. For example, who will tell him to be careful about not confusing Kemble with some of the other local airfields which tend to stand out more than Kemble when approaching from the West.
In my opinion you are a dangerous sort of person to have around aviation because you discourage people from asking questions in case someone thinks they are stupid. You may have had a long and safe career yourself but I wonder how many others have got into trouble because of your attitude.
In my opinion you are a dangerous sort of person to have around aviation because you discourage people from asking questions in case someone thinks they are stupid. You may have had a long and safe career yourself but I wonder how many others have got into trouble because of your attitude.
It's not my intention to disuade anyone from asking a question, but I do believe people should ask the question in a manner that is likely to yield accurate information. And for specific operational information this is NOT the place and I'm really surprised a professional pilot would think so given the well established methods we have within the industry.
As per Chesty's comments.
Anyway, I sense I'm repeating myself. I have nothing more to say on the matter other than I hope the OP has a safe flight.
For myself, I'm off to find some red meat.
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Just to be clear:
I was in a contact with Kemble Ops and got all the charts and info from AIP but since we don't normaly do flights to VFR airports without ATC I was trying to get as much info as possible. Last time I did it was in pilot school some 20 years ago, and it was not in UK.
Ofcourse this info is not official but I would try to confirm it and use only confirmed data.
And I didn't force anyone to respond to my question. I was counting on people's good will to share what they know (if they feel like it), just like I do sometimes on this forum.
Regarding some open questions: I'm acting on behalf of the operator, derogation is being asked from lokal CAA regarding cat C training on the basis that there is no Keble in any simulator data base and probably nobody ever flew 737 there before. I'm also guilty of posting an RFF question on Safety, CRM, QA & Emergency Response Planning part of this forum.
I was in a contact with Kemble Ops and got all the charts and info from AIP but since we don't normaly do flights to VFR airports without ATC I was trying to get as much info as possible. Last time I did it was in pilot school some 20 years ago, and it was not in UK.
Ofcourse this info is not official but I would try to confirm it and use only confirmed data.
And I didn't force anyone to respond to my question. I was counting on people's good will to share what they know (if they feel like it), just like I do sometimes on this forum.
Regarding some open questions: I'm acting on behalf of the operator, derogation is being asked from lokal CAA regarding cat C training on the basis that there is no Keble in any simulator data base and probably nobody ever flew 737 there before. I'm also guilty of posting an RFF question on Safety, CRM, QA & Emergency Response Planning part of this forum.
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plenty 737's
I think quite a few B737 classics have landed at Kemble. Rather fewer of them would have taken off afterwards though. Some call it parting-out, some call it recycling but it is scrapping nonetheless. I suspect that is the fate that awaits this 737-400.
I'm not sure at all how it's done correctly there,..but in the US you'd get the AWOS/ASOS self announce on CTAF [10 miles out entering downwind, base, final clear rwy...etc.... a teardrop overflight for collision avoidance survey.set up your jet pattern [1200' - 1500'agl usually].using 45 degree entry to the downwind leg [I guess] trying to use designated calm wind runway, be mindful of the traffic pattern indicator
flaps, gear configuration and airspeeds as applicable/detailed in the AFM..
I understand that this is no C-172, hence why you would ask; but it's right back around to the basics..as applicable
flaps, gear configuration and airspeeds as applicable/detailed in the AFM..
I understand that this is no C-172, hence why you would ask; but it's right back around to the basics..as applicable
