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more important; can you get us cheap stay's? we'll make you Super dooper HonoraryLCY bod in that case!
RD, don't you get cheap flights?????? i've been with several ID00 tickets!
BTW, brockenspectre, i'm a bit near sighted so yes it can be done! Off course i mean Physicaly fellas!
RD, don't you get cheap flights?????? i've been with several ID00 tickets!
BTW, brockenspectre, i'm a bit near sighted so yes it can be done! Off course i mean Physicaly fellas!
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Its good to know that somebody listens to us in the tower - since the pilots clearly don't 
Next Scotair pilot to winge about being delayed, when he is number 8 for start gets a free swim in the dock!
Come to think of it, next pilot to winge on my frequency gets banished for ever (and that means no more 10 departures Pointer).
As you might have guessed I had fun again last night!
Next Scotair pilot to winge about being delayed, when he is number 8 for start gets a free swim in the dock!
Come to think of it, next pilot to winge on my frequency gets banished for ever (and that means no more 10 departures Pointer).
As you might have guessed I had fun again last night!
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Thank you for appointing me Honorary LCYer!! Unfortunately my eyesight is -6/-6.5 so was even on the margin for a PPL medical!! Alas I doubt I can become a Sooper Dooper Honorary as I live in Bromley, Kent...on the edge of any approach you guys should be making! A couple of times walking my dog in Beckenham Place Park one of you LCY pilot-types have been seen to be doing a low-level "queue" for LCY, much to my delight and the slight consternation of other walkers/golfers!! (Beckenham Place Park is Europe's best public golf course if anyone is a fanatic and about a 30min drive from LCY).
Oh and as for listening to ATC - EYB of COURSE I would listen even if I were a pilot ::smiling ingratiatingly:: hehehehe
Oh and as for listening to ATC - EYB of COURSE I would listen even if I were a pilot ::smiling ingratiatingly:: hehehehe
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Re cheap flights to USA/Canada
Raw Data well, immediate friends and family are entitled to a 15% discount where I now work but the regular fares to all destinations in US/Canada/Hawaii are very good. As a fellow PPRuNer I would go out on a limb and ask if I might have a discount BUT I would use my discretion on that!
The airlines my company uses are DL, CO, BA, VS, UA, AA and of course we are relatively restricted in the fare classes we contract - mostly Q (or equiv) with one economy sell-up.
But..for example, (with discount) I just priced up my brother a fare to Houston with UA from LHR at £296 INCLUDING passenger duties/taxes...
Best packages we have, to my mind, are those to Hawaii and to Florida. Having been a travel agent for a year before joining this tour operator (but using the TO products) I am stunned that my new company can price a Florida vacation, flying with VS, including car/insurance at LESS the cost of a similar vacation in Majorca!!!!!!!
Anyway..enough chatting about work, this is my day off!!
Raw Data well, immediate friends and family are entitled to a 15% discount where I now work but the regular fares to all destinations in US/Canada/Hawaii are very good. As a fellow PPRuNer I would go out on a limb and ask if I might have a discount BUT I would use my discretion on that!
The airlines my company uses are DL, CO, BA, VS, UA, AA and of course we are relatively restricted in the fare classes we contract - mostly Q (or equiv) with one economy sell-up.
But..for example, (with discount) I just priced up my brother a fare to Houston with UA from LHR at £296 INCLUDING passenger duties/taxes...
Best packages we have, to my mind, are those to Hawaii and to Florida. Having been a travel agent for a year before joining this tour operator (but using the TO products) I am stunned that my new company can price a Florida vacation, flying with VS, including car/insurance at LESS the cost of a similar vacation in Majorca!!!!!!!
Anyway..enough chatting about work, this is my day off!!
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EYB, you definitely need to de-stress. Why not come jumpseating for us on our next Innsbruck approach, that'll sort your nerves out...!!!
BrokenSpectre... you are the man! OK, everyone be real nice to BS now...
BrokenSpectre... you are the man! OK, everyone be real nice to BS now...
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To keep this Tech - what is the most challenging part of an approach to LCY? Do the "city in Docklands" buildings create extra bubble on the approach to 10?
Back to the thread ... Raw Data I am happy that you should think I am "da man" but hope that such a name will transcend sexuality hehehehe I am "da woman" in fact LOL (LOL=laughing out loud in netspeak). I am assuming you weren't being sarcastic - that is the problem with written words on the internet, you can never really tell!
Guess I went overboard about speaking about my job huh? Sorry...
Back to the thread ... Raw Data I am happy that you should think I am "da man" but hope that such a name will transcend sexuality hehehehe I am "da woman" in fact LOL (LOL=laughing out loud in netspeak). I am assuming you weren't being sarcastic - that is the problem with written words on the internet, you can never really tell!
Guess I went overboard about speaking about my job huh? Sorry...
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brockenspectre;
Nobody went overboard, that would be a nasty thing to do in an airplane! plus at LCY they have to crawl in theyre dingie
The hard part is lndg 10 with wind out the south. the buildings give the wind a rolling motion and therefore you never no were the wind is, tail, cross, head, top or bottom etc. so until you gently slam on the brakes your flying, if you intended or not!
as for the gender thing....man of al gender are allowed!
Nobody went overboard, that would be a nasty thing to do in an airplane! plus at LCY they have to crawl in theyre dingie
The hard part is lndg 10 with wind out the south. the buildings give the wind a rolling motion and therefore you never no were the wind is, tail, cross, head, top or bottom etc. so until you gently slam on the brakes your flying, if you intended or not!
as for the gender thing....man of al gender are allowed!
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Brokenspectre- I was speaking in the strictly generic sense. How about "you da person"?
Ignore what Pointer says, he is just trying to explain away those deep impacts he calls landings (assuming he is a "he" of course).
The hardest part is when landing on 10, trying to get a good look at the changing of the Guard at Buck Palace, whilst turning finals, dropping some flap, and trying to spot the helicopter that just popped up on TCAS...
The other hardest thing is getting the marshallers to use universally approved signals, and getting the ground power on stand 3 to stay connected...
Ignore what Pointer says, he is just trying to explain away those deep impacts he calls landings (assuming he is a "he" of course).
The hardest part is when landing on 10, trying to get a good look at the changing of the Guard at Buck Palace, whilst turning finals, dropping some flap, and trying to spot the helicopter that just popped up on TCAS...
The other hardest thing is getting the marshallers to use universally approved signals, and getting the ground power on stand 3 to stay connected...
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RD - what are you saying about the quality of Traffic Info that we give you? We always tell you roughly where the helis are (give or take a mile/1000feet). Trust us, that's what we are (very poorly) paid for 
As for Pointers landings, they are indeed very smooth! In fact he sometimes manages to float 3/4 of the way down the runway before finally making contact with mother earth - smoothly of course so that the passengers don't feel a thing. That is until they pull 7g braking to a stop in the remaining 1/4 of runway. Its known as the "VLM - floaty, floaty" technique. Unlike 146s which seem to have an undercarriage compression competition with each other, to see who can hit the bump stops the hardest (although I am pretty sure that Aer Fungus always win that one!)
As for Pointers landings, they are indeed very smooth! In fact he sometimes manages to float 3/4 of the way down the runway before finally making contact with mother earth - smoothly of course so that the passengers don't feel a thing. That is until they pull 7g braking to a stop in the remaining 1/4 of runway. Its known as the "VLM - floaty, floaty" technique. Unlike 146s which seem to have an undercarriage compression competition with each other, to see who can hit the bump stops the hardest (although I am pretty sure that Aer Fungus always win that one!)
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raw data k you forgiven forget "you da person" I would rather be "you da man" OK? hehehe none of that political correct nonsense around me!
EYB hehehehe I like "VLM floaty floaty" a technique I attempted while trying to complete PPL and even saw while waiting at LCY for a flight to Bern - I was assuming the flight deck had seen the water all around LOL
swashplate sorry to disappoint you, but in regular netspeak LOL=Laughing Out Loud...maybe someone else wants it to be Lots Of Love of you but that would be a personal thang!!
For those of you flying into LCY using a Dover approach may I kindly suggest you spend a couple second, just beyond Ashford in Kent, to tune in to 122.00, when you might hear the parachuting and aerobatic exploits going on underneat you at Headcorn Aerodrome. I know the Crossair crew were amazed when we went overhead (I was hanging near flight-deck at time) and told em to quickly tune-in...home of The Tiger Club (http://www.tigerclub.co.uk) and great parachuting (if you think it OK to leap out of a perfectly serviceable aircraft)!!!
EYB hehehehe I like "VLM floaty floaty" a technique I attempted while trying to complete PPL and even saw while waiting at LCY for a flight to Bern - I was assuming the flight deck had seen the water all around LOL
swashplate sorry to disappoint you, but in regular netspeak LOL=Laughing Out Loud...maybe someone else wants it to be Lots Of Love of you but that would be a personal thang!!
For those of you flying into LCY using a Dover approach may I kindly suggest you spend a couple second, just beyond Ashford in Kent, to tune in to 122.00, when you might hear the parachuting and aerobatic exploits going on underneat you at Headcorn Aerodrome. I know the Crossair crew were amazed when we went overhead (I was hanging near flight-deck at time) and told em to quickly tune-in...home of The Tiger Club (http://www.tigerclub.co.uk) and great parachuting (if you think it OK to leap out of a perfectly serviceable aircraft)!!!
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Ok no more floaty nonsens. i only use 2/3 off the runway when
and yes EYB we have a real A/C with traditional gear, it takes more skill to please the PAX
And gents (of all gender) it is a pleasure as always
[ 07 September 2001: Message edited by: Pointer ]
no more floaty nonsens. i only use 2/3 off the runway when- A) 28 is in use and seeing that the only stand avail. is 10 (yes, to accomadate you EYB!)
- B) when there is a crosshair on the rwy trying to find the right exit with less than 2 miles to go!(getting this close i keep the speed up a little for a GA, wouldn't be the first time!!! )
- and when doing the fifth of my six legs that day, trying to let a junior fo make a ldg!
and yes EYB we have a real A/C with traditional gear, it takes more skill to please the PAX
And gents (of all gender) it is a
pleasure as always[ 07 September 2001: Message edited by: Pointer ]
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EYB- it isn't you that worries me (well, you do, but for different reasons...!!!), it those wussies in Thames Radar. I've had two "TCAS Climbs" in the last three weeks... one of these days we'll tangle with a LHR-bound heavy, then there will tears (not to mention lots of paperwork).
As I'm getting sick of being number seven for start, can I suggest we start a new system of start queueing... I vote that the airline operating the most seats into LCY gets preference at all times...
Also, can I get my name painted on stand 1, that is MY stand and I don't wan't you parking Dorniers on it...!!!
As I'm getting sick of being number seven for start, can I suggest we start a new system of start queueing... I vote that the airline operating the most seats into LCY gets preference at all times...
Also, can I get my name painted on stand 1, that is MY stand and I don't wan't you parking Dorniers on it...!!!
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Raw Data you don't mean you were having to wait on a rubens ???? shame on EYB!
stand one is yours for my sake. EYB can i put in for stand four than? i'd like my name in gold letters pls.
stand one is yours for my sake. EYB can i put in for stand four than? i'd like my name in gold letters pls.
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RD - Thames controllers are a law unto themselves. A lot of them are also Heathrow Tower guys. Say no more!
Do Bealine fly to Insbruck? If so, book me onto the first spare jumpseat. I have only ever experienced the approach on my computer (several 1000 times), but I have been to the airport and it is very different. (there is also a nice alpine zoo on the little hill next to the runway - but thats a differnt story).
Pointer - I apologise for the unintended insult about floaty landings. I do sympathise, after all, it can't be easy flying an aircraft which outlived the cold war. Long live Rekkof! I look forward to you cartwheeling down the runway in your F70s when you get them. I believe the French flew them in for a short while, but scared the s*** out of themselves and us, and gave up.
Will you still be able to backtrack and depart in a 4 mile gap?
Do Bealine fly to Insbruck? If so, book me onto the first spare jumpseat. I have only ever experienced the approach on my computer (several 1000 times), but I have been to the airport and it is very different. (there is also a nice alpine zoo on the little hill next to the runway - but thats a differnt story).
Pointer - I apologise for the unintended insult about floaty landings. I do sympathise, after all, it can't be easy flying an aircraft which outlived the cold war. Long live Rekkof! I look forward to you cartwheeling down the runway in your F70s when you get them. I believe the French flew them in for a short while, but scared the s*** out of themselves and us, and gave up.
Will you still be able to backtrack and depart in a 4 mile gap?
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EYB i guess non intended isult was spread and like always no taken. If its about insults, i don't take those things too serious! (Thick skin among other parts)
Do you know the fella that's with (or was) Themse; "Fox in sox" i haven't seen him on PPrune lately (for a long time now) seems he was with them?
And why get up set the other day?
And for the 4miles, yes could be done depending how cool the guy stays on app? offcourse don't exect me to do that with full load and weather permitting! but yes.
i'll be on your turf tomorow around 1400
always no taken. If its about insults, i don't take those things too serious! (Thick skin among other parts) Do you know the fella that's with (or was) Themse; "Fox in sox" i haven't seen him on PPrune lately (for a long time now) seems he was with them?
And why get up set the other day?
And for the 4miles, yes could be done depending how cool the guy stays on app? offcourse don't exect me to do that with full load and weather permitting! but yes.
i'll be on your turf tomorow around 1400
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The new "tracks" to LCY must pose new challenges - what are these?
Events of past days have totally shocked, horrified, upset and angered me - my days of "hanging near the flightdeck" on the way to anyway is probably something of the past...
How are y'all doing?
Events of past days have totally shocked, horrified, upset and angered me - my days of "hanging near the flightdeck" on the way to anyway is probably something of the past...
How are y'all doing?
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Well, how much longer are we going to have to endure these ridiculous security "enhancements" at LCY?
None of the measures I have seen are even remotely sensible. Why post a "guard" (ie cabin crew member) at the foot of the steps? The ramp is either secure or it isn't. If it isn't, the airport authority isn't doing its job and should sort themselves out. If it IS secure, the "guard" is superfluous. What are we guarding against, anyway? As it is clearly not possible for a single guard at the bottom of the steps to see the hold doors and other access points, the whole thing is a giant waste of time.
Just about as bad is the confusion over what documentation the DETR require us to sign with regard to security checks. This morning, the only thing that was clear was that nobody knew what the hell was supposed to be happening. Everybody running around trying to cover their backsides, resultant security value: nil.
It is about time somebody got a grip and did something that is actually effective. The fact that we dropped the City avoidance tracks so quickly is a clear indication of the risk assessment.
I'm all for security, but only when based on sound and rational thinking. The current situation is so disorganised as to be a joke.
Sorry to rant, but I'm getting sick of this sort of thing- what do the rest of you think??
None of the measures I have seen are even remotely sensible. Why post a "guard" (ie cabin crew member) at the foot of the steps? The ramp is either secure or it isn't. If it isn't, the airport authority isn't doing its job and should sort themselves out. If it IS secure, the "guard" is superfluous. What are we guarding against, anyway? As it is clearly not possible for a single guard at the bottom of the steps to see the hold doors and other access points, the whole thing is a giant waste of time.
Just about as bad is the confusion over what documentation the DETR require us to sign with regard to security checks. This morning, the only thing that was clear was that nobody knew what the hell was supposed to be happening. Everybody running around trying to cover their backsides, resultant security value: nil.
It is about time somebody got a grip and did something that is actually effective. The fact that we dropped the City avoidance tracks so quickly is a clear indication of the risk assessment.
I'm all for security, but only when based on sound and rational thinking. The current situation is so disorganised as to be a joke.
Sorry to rant, but I'm getting sick of this sort of thing- what do the rest of you think??
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RD well said, every last word!!!!
I fully agree with you, however my airline mngmnt is of the same level of IQ. they are all to keen to bend over.
The most increadible thing is that we need some one to stand outside! and gaurd against what? The sting is stronger at our corner since more than 50% of our crew didn't even get an over coat to go with the uniform! (deemd not nessecery)
And for the extra paper work.....its written CYA all over!
I fully agree with you, however my airline mngmnt is of the same level of IQ. they are all to keen to bend over.
The most increadible thing is that we need some one to stand outside! and gaurd against what? The sting is stronger at our corner since more than 50% of our crew didn't even get an over coat to go with the uniform! (deemd not nessecery)
And for the extra paper work.....its written CYA all over!