Back on the ground at LFBO at about 15:30 apparently all in one piece! - now awaiting the post-flight report.

Thought the fourth one was already built and flying now,never mind the second.

There were two out on the ramp (SE corner of airport) Monday evening, one with the Airbus paint scheme (tail) and the other was in all white - would that be number one and two respectively?
Also one or two others out on the tarmac by the main assembly halls to the NW of the airport so things are certainly progressing.

this aircraft is MSN004 the forth bus off the production line, MSN 002/003 are being kept on the ground for interior testing, MSN001 as you well know made the maiden flight a few months back,

everything seems to be going ok for the A380 team at the moment, i hear they are ahead in testing :)



cheers
scott waterworth

When all else fails, check the Airbus website for info.

Nr. 4 is coming
 

I just read in a news release that due to engine-problems nr. 4 will visit Frankfurt. One engine of Nr. 1 was replaced and the reinstallation of test equipment will take some time. Here's the link (sorry, its in german, couldn't find one in english language):

Engine replacement

A380 due to do proving flight into Heathrow in January. Will stay overnight to be towed around the airfield.

Cheers!

google translation:-
Press release conveys of directnews. For contents of this press release alone the reporting enterprise or the reporting institution is responsible.

A 380 has problems with an engine

F.A.Z. FRANKFURT, 28 October. With the new large-capacity aircraft A380 problems with the engine arose. The Frankfurt general newspaper (expenditure for Saturday) reports. Therefore the European manufacturer airbus on Saturday another test flight things than planned to Frankfurt airport sending, where different maneuvers and process at the soil are to be tried out. To information of this newspaper it had come on Thursday to technical problems with one of the two A380-Maschinen tested at present. The test flights of both airplanes - both the number 1 as well as the number 4 - are to have been broken off. About it high-level personnel is to have been informed on late Thursday by E-Mail. On Saturday now the A380 with the manufacturer number 4 is planned the number 1 to Frankfurt to fly, not as before.

A spokeswoman von Airbus in Toulouse confirmed that at test flight things number 1 was arisen "with an inspection a problem". "preventive" one exchanged this engine, which comes from the manufacturer Rolls-Royce, now. It did not want to confirm rumors, to which it had come to a fire in the engine. Due to the complex installation of test equipments at the new engine stick the A380 number 1 now only once at the soil, said it. So far it was intended that he starts in the next week to test flights to Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Australia. In the schedule for it nothing is to change, was called it in Toulouse.


Contentwise further inquiries arrange you please:

Frankfurt general newspaper Mr. Jahn Tel.: 0049 (0)69-75 91-14 40

Weekend is over, and this happened during the visit of the A380:

Loads of local spotters feel a bit kidded because 30 min before scheduled landing the runway was changed from 07 to 25. I don't know the reason for the change but there must have been a good one (change of wind direction perhaps :-)), they wouldn't change only to get rid of some people with cameras as some assume on their local forum.

:E

Nearly all tests were going well, but this is a topic which is covered by a lot of the media.

Nr. 4 left frankfurt at 9:25 with one extra round over frankfurt, but try to see a white plane in fog, haha, i image i heard it but since it is said to be so quiet i think i heard the SAS leaving to Stockholm (MD 80)

:}

Regards from FRA

hanx

ps: oh, i forgot, fraport calculated with about 50.000 visitors, but only 5.000-10.000 (depends on the source of the estimation) came to the A380. They should change the reg to F-WPIF (white plane in fog)

I like the rego...F-WWOW...I'd have thought that F-TBMF would be more appropriate though!http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/inc.gif

Viewing areas at brisbane for the A380
 

Hi Guys,

I am heading the BNE for the first landing of the A380 in Australia on the 11th of november.

I know it lands in the eavening of the 11th and was wondering if any pprune members know of any good viewing areas at brisbane Intl

Inside the terminal is ok but would rather be outside if possible.

Any info would be great.

Flyboycoxy

3rd Airbus A380 Takes to the air
 

The 3rd Airbus A380 to take to the sky's, did so yesterday the 3rd November.
Aircraft MSN 002 flew for 3 hours, yesterday afternoon.
The tour of Asia and Australia has been delayed, aircraft due to arrive in Singapore on 11th November, instead of the 8th.
This is due to two engines being changed at the request of Rolls-Royce after an earlier change.
The aircraft tour of Australia will be unchanged.
Details on the Airbus web site.

what was unobjective Algy?

I guess he meant the airbus website and not your post...

yup, sorry if not clear.

F-WXXL landed for the first time in Hamburg (EDHI) today 1319z. It was welcomed by the German head of Airbus and lots of Airbus workers and spotters as well :) It will get interior for ~500 pax with subsequent test flights.

A380 is louder than assumed
 

THERE WILL BE NO QC 2 FOR YOU :E

A380 is louder than assumed :E

Media: Frankfurter Rundschau

Author: Wolfgang Schubert

Date: 05 November 2005

Fraport and expansion opponents present results of measurements/not tested in normal every-day conditions

The Airbus A 380 was as loud as a Boeing jumbo jet 747 during the test landing in Frankfurt a week ago. Moreover the [A380] causes dangerous wake vortices because of its size, communicated the German aircraft noise monitoring organization on Friday in its measurement results. Fraport confirmed the measuring data to a large extent.

Frankfurt • "The shouts of joy [about the A380] are to be referred to the land of fairytales", said Sascha Friebe, chairman of the German aircraft noise monitoring organization (DFLD). Lufthansa managers, airport CEO William Bender, Minister President Roland Koch and Chief Burgomaster of Frankfurt Petra Roth had talked about a "quiet giant bird” after the landing before 10,000 spectators last Saturday, which flew in "like a glider."

The measurements of the aircraft noise service in Moerfelden Walldorf, which considers itself as an "independent non--governmental organization" and is predominantly organized in the airport development opposition, show the opposite. The mega-airplane, which should have been three to four decibels quieter than the largest passenger airplane the Boeing 747-400 according to manufacturer data, was as loud as other large-capacity aircraft during the landing. The measuring instrument of DFLD registered 67 decibels over Neu-Isenburg south of Frankfurt.

The noise might have been even stronger. On Friday airport operator Fraport submitted its own results of measurement, which are even higher than those of the DFLD. For Offenbach-Bieber Fraport indicated 70.3 decibels, in Offenbach-Lauterborn was it 71.8, in Frankfurt-South 75.3 and at level of the Stadtwaldhaus just before touch down 82.3. In comparative values with a 747 plane, which had landed during the same morning, were only lower at the Stadtwaldhaus. In Frankfurt-South and in Offenbach-Lauterborn the A 380 was substantially louder

During takeoff, Fraport registered values that were below those of the 747. The Airbus however only weighed 400 tons. If it would be fully occupied for a flight to Tokyo and would have been refueled, the plane would have weighed 560 tons and would have been much louder than the 65.7 decibels over Raunheim and the 74.5 over Weilbach.

Fraport emphasized however that the measured values of only one landing and one takeoff of a prototype is not representative. The test plane was even equipped with measuring instruments at the fuselage and the wings, which would have caused additional surge noises.

The aircraft noise monitoring organization criticized also that the A 380 was not tested under everyday life conditions. The air traffic control (DFS) granted the pilots "ideal landing conditions". The distance to the next jet for instance was with ten miles so large that the A 380 could land "with low speed and therefore quietly". DFS spokesperson Axel Raab said, they had opted for a large distance for safety reasons because of possible turbulence.

Those are extremely large according to data of the DFLD. The A 380 has caused, "a good two minute tornado with noise values of about 70 decibels," said Friebe. Such turbulence he has “never experienced". If the plane would have flown very low over Raunheim, “the roofs would have blown off".

Wolfgang Schubert



I wonder how that PAX Evac test is stacking up? :\

Your usual ill-informed BS, 747 F***all.

The full scale A380 passenger evacuation test is due to be conducted early next year. Hopefully the US made escape slides will work OK.

Hey that looks like it came out of a German newspaper to me. I just posted it.

:E

Personally, I don't think it would matter who made the slides. Airbus will never get 873 PAX off of that airplane in 90 seconds.

I was hoping not to be the first to bite - thanks Beags. :D :D :D

Be careful who you count as friends 747FOCAL - those greenie groups won't like 747Adv any more than A380...

MarkD - Thanks and I know this. I just like stirring the pot. :E :ok:

When it comes to wake vortices, it's worth remembering that size isn't always everything. The 757 actually created vortices more powerful than those of the 747 Classic, due to the advances in aerodynamically-efficient wing design between the mid '60s and late '70s.

I also find that most of these noise-monitoring groups won't be happy until all airfields are situated hundreds of miles from the nearest town.

Very questionable indeed what that Mr. Wolfgang Schubert writes....

Where did he get his 'facts' from...and was the actual vertical flight profile of that flight ever considered???

First of all, landing conditions at the time the A380 made that 'working visit' to Frankfurt were anything but 'ideal', and anyone who saw the landing on TV will agree that it was 'firm and safe' but by no means 'picturebook-style'!

In a TV-Interview, the pilot (Absmeier) stated that the approach was 'on instruments'.... HEY, I didn't know that the A380 was already certified for IFR-Ops! ;-)

But never mind, everything regarding the A380 and Airbus is highly political and any flaws are covered by a blanket of silence.... or legal proceedings, following the principle of 'If you are not FOR us, you are AGAINST us!'

Frankfurt Airport, too, is a highly political issue - night curfew, new runway, departure and arrival routes, new maintenance hangar, freight centre...and many more. So, it is no wonder that extremes (interests) collide here very intensely and all the sources quoted in that newspaper article are very biased.

Like always, the truth is somewhere in between!

From what I heard (and saw) of the approaching A380, it was not louder than most other 'Heavies' approaching FRA, and certainly a lot more quiet than some of the US Military freighters which used to operate into FRA until recently. But then, the fog may have swallowed some of the noise....

Can't say much about the take-off on Sunday, except, that it was 'picturebook-like flat' and the pilot seemed to be in no real hurry to reach altitude. Why should he, anyway, as he was going to do some sort of low 'fly-over' of Frankfurt City in VFR (which he soon abandoned due to poor visibilty/low cloud!)?!?!?

IMHO, for all practical purposes, that newspaper article is for the wastebin, just stirring for the sake of stirring (and be invited to more press conferences as an (self-appointed) 'aviation specialist editor'.

Anyone else with more facts????

Cheers!

;-)

You know I am yanking everyone's chain. :E

I agree with Topic Review jollyikarus that the conditions were not ideal and certainly not certification level, but when you are comparing the data of the A380 to other aircraft flights made on the same day and something shows up you have to question it. airbus has been telling the world that the A380 would be 50% quieter than a 747-400. It should have been at least less, but according to these people it is not.

No QC2 takeoff and its a dead bird.

747FOCAL
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but when you are comparing the data of the A380 to other aircraft flights made on the same day and something shows up you have to question it. airbus has been telling the world that the A380 would be 50% quieter than a 747-400. It should have been at least less, but according to these people it is not.
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Who has the REAL figures about other flights that same day?????

I for sure don't!

To me, the whole approach looked like a 'high drag/high power' approach - more for stability and precision than anything else. But then...I wasn't on board.

A few weeks ago, when the bird visited Hamburg during Open Day at Finkenwerder and did three turns over the airfield, it appeared to be VERY quiet. But then....he was probably just soaring with all engines set to idle.

That the A380 can take off 'steeper' than in FRA could already be seen on the first flight in TLS! Weights were probably quite different, though.

Fact remains that all AIRBUS issues - and any concerning Frankfurt Airport or Hamburg/Finkenwerder - are highly political and biased! No room for constructive truth.

It is also very interesting to see which path some of the contributions to this particular thread are taking. IMHO a bit too emotional to be factual or in any way constructive.

Cheers!

:-)

Its a bit hostile in here:ouch:

The 747 will always look better though, and just as Concorde was loud as you like,people loved it,the same is said of the 747.
But I don't think there will be too many people banging on about "that nice new French plane":E

Eh it's not as if either runway at FRA is limiting for landing so WTF is he on about?

I think that sentence speaks volumes.

It's actually more British than French(by content).

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Eh it's not as if either runway at FRA is limiting for landing so WTF is he
on about?
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What else do you expect from a wannabe (aviation) journalist???
I wonder if the person he cited (Raab) will ever recognize his statement in this context. But who cares?

Hey guys.....it is Showtime - Airbus Showtime!

Cheers!

;-)

May I help some of the not initiated ppruners here about some basic facts about physics:

65 to 70 decibels are the volume you have at the moment in your office when you have your printer on or someone is talking to you in a normal voice.

Please read the Wikipedia article below:
Decibel scale

Landing traffic is never a noise problem, although some airport-neighbour-committees say so. "Look, there's an airplane - and if you listen there's also a sound". While the car going through the street is much louder.

Take off noise is a much greater problem indead. If those French Airbus-Engineers made it possible that the taking off A380 is at nearly office noice, then they have done a good job.

Dani

meh, i dont know what everyone is whinging about, the louder the better in my narrow minded opinion. 707's 727's 732's an 74 calssics at full noise on take off...mmmm now there is a real aircraft.

Seems like the world has turned into a bunch of pansys. I bet the people who make all the noise about aircraft are the ones who cannot afford to fly, and live in the poor socio economic arears surrounding most field, moving in knowing there was an airfield there that was there long before housing went in......

Good for you 4Spooled, in fact I would like to fly an old B707-320 straight-pipe to FRA, just to wake 'em up....:}

Ahhh, the good 'ole days....black smoke and noise. :ok:

first time poster, please be gentle ;)
anyone here able to give me an idea of the flight path of the a380 as it goes bris <-> syd, when overhere in .au?

looking at maybe trying for some flyover shots..
ie:one,two,three

Dani,

Actually some airliners now are louder on the approach than on take-off.

Modern high by-pass turbofans can be incredibly quiet. One of the major sources of noise is now the airframe. In landing mode flaps/slats are extended further creating greater disturbance in the airflow thus creating more noise.

Also departing aircraft clean-up quickly ie retracting the gear immediately after rotation, whereas landing aircraft have the gear down for a long time. The gear creates a LOT of airframe noise.

4Spooled

Well said that man.
My house is on the short final of an old RAF base,the last things that flew were lightnings,I wish I was living here then. They really are loud:}

May I remind all the 'enthusiasts' who appear unable to contain their pro or anti Airbus/Boeing feelings that this is the Professional Pilots Rumour Network and I won't entertain continued amateurish posts about your petty opinions whether Airbus or Boeing have got it right or do it better. :*

If you feel the need to defend your honour or honor, depending which side of the Boeing/Airbus debate your 'enthusiast' leanings take you, then there are other forums on this website that cater for your needs. This forum is not the palce for enthusiasts to air their views on the pro's or con's of whose aircraft is bigger or better.

As potential pilots of these new aircraft or comparable existing ones, we can expect a bit of banter from time to time, just as we do when gathering for post trip relaxation when downroute. What we don't expect is a bunch of enthusiasts butting in with their aggressive and misplaced affections for particular aircraft manufacturers.

So, if you want to post about how aroused you get every time you think about a particular aircraft type or you want to have an argument about which manufacturers' technology turns you on more, please go visit the 'Spectators Balcony' forum where you can mudsling to your hearts desire. Having your posts deleted is a waste of my time and yours. This forum is not the place for anything that isn't directly related to current aircraft types that are flown in non-military scenarios by professional pilots. When the A380 enters service then no doubt there will be space and time on here for the various incidents which are bound to occur.

In the meantime, new airliners undergoing testing, old airliners now consigned to the history books and museums, general aviation and recreational aircraft all have their own forums on here and this isn't one of them! :suspect: :rolleyes:

Before anyone shouts spotter, you'll notice I took these pics airside !


Low Go round gear up, hardly noisey....!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...85/A380Low.jpg




This was full TR and she stopped in under half the runway length after an admittedly short hop/Low Gross to Finkenwerder from Toulouse. But noisy ? Certainly no noiser than any other Heavy I've seen and heard.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...MG_0242red.jpg

This is noise !!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...5/har3dred.jpg

Duuuuummmmkopf
 

Groundloop

You may be right only if the acft in approach is starting a goaround.

Do not confuse this with flaps or even a parashute (if installed).

Ýf you still do not believe your ears please take them under the approach part of any airfield and just use them properly