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hobie 4th Apr 2005 18:58

A380 - combined threads
A delay I'm afraid :(

Reuters has this ......

April 4, 2005
The maiden flight of Airbus new aircraft, the A380, will be delayed, German newspaper Handelsblatt reported on Monday.

The paper quoted a company spokeswoman saying that pilots would test the plane this week.

EADS's co-head Rainer Hertrich said in March the maiden flight was originally scheduled for the start of April.

After the system and mechanical tests, acceleration and braking tests on the runway would be held prior to the first flight, Handelsblatt said, adding that experts felt it would take at least two more weeks for these tests to be done.

The paper said the spokeswoman did not give a fresh launch date for the aircraft. It quoted her saying that it was immaterial whether the aircraft had its first flight on April 10, 15 or 23 given it was to be sold the next 35 years.


RaTa 5th Apr 2005 00:10

When you think about it the lady is right, what does a few extra days or even weeks matter if the aircraft is going to be around for years?

Wish the same could apply to marriage ! ;)

reverserunlocked 5th Apr 2005 03:20

*Off topic*

I'm no Boeing fan really (give me a VC10 anyday) but that A380 really is one ugly son-of-a-b. Our airports are going to be clogged up with 'em.

What was that old adage of if it looks right etc? The Phantom might have looked like wings were on upside down but at least it looked kind of menacing. The A380 just looks like it's a salad dodger. Kind of an aerial version of Johnny Vegas.

Carry on....

QAR ASR 5th Apr 2005 06:21

Reverserunlocked, I have long maintained that the "If it doesn't look right it shouldn't be flying", should be applied to cabin crew recruitment. Especially, when it comes to the salad dodging variety.

Wiley 5th Apr 2005 07:33

Please, Airbus fans, don't bite my head off for asking the following, but has anyone else heard RUMOURS (note the name of this website) that the 380 failed some major test in the last fortnight, putting the whole program on its proverbial back foot? The following quote, unconfirmed, comes from the email a friend passed me a day or two ago.

The operating economies have now gone out the window and the beefing of the wing will now add considerable extra weight to the aircraft.

eal401 5th Apr 2005 08:30

380 failed some major test in the last fortnight
Was it posted by "IhateAirbus" or some equally impartial observer?

A380 really is one ugly son-of-a-b.
And the relevance to the first flight is.....? It looks just like any other commercial jet, just bigger. If you get picky over aircraft through looks, you need to get out more!

At the end of the day, it's a short delay. Only newsworthy because of the aircraft and the "ain'tBoeingnotGoing" brigade.

BEagle 5th Apr 2005 08:49

Well, no-one seemed concerned when I was at Toolooze last week - they knew that the first flight would be delayed slightly, but there were no show-stopping snags that they knew of.

And yes, it's hardly the prettiest aeroplane there is, I agree. It's very clever - but it isn't Concorde. :{

Seloco 5th Apr 2005 08:51

I wonder if others would agree that the A380's currently perceived "unloveliness" is actually because it is TOO SHORT?!

Like many of its famous forebears, it is starting its life just a smidgeon stumpy in the fuselage department. Soon however the brightest of the best from GE, RR and P&W will come along bearing gifts of more powerful and frugal engines, whereupon the CAD in Toulouse will crank out not a short ugly duckling but the most beautifully extended swan. Think of what happened to DC4/6/7, Viscount, 737, 767, 777, VC10 over the years, where stubby little runts were transformed into epitomies of aerial grace by the addition of several well-placed frames. So come on some Photoshop whizz out there: show us what it could/should be like!

Incidentally, how many airliners actually got shorter than their prototype over time? I can think of 747>SP, L1011>500, but does A320>319>318 count?

Incidentally a mole in Toulouse told me this morning that the A380 formally passed to Airbus "essai en vol" yesterday for ground trials, designed to be a minimum of four days prior to earliest first flight. Sounds a smidgeon optimistic to me, I must say.......

ACE Dispatcher 5th Apr 2005 12:30

Ok here are the requested "photoshopped" images of the stretched A380.

Emirates A380-900

I think the stretched version will look far more appealing.

Seloco 5th Apr 2005 12:37

Brilliant, well done AceDispatcher.

Voila la cygne!

Now, about those evacuation tests.......

ORAC 5th Apr 2005 12:45

Pretty.. ;)

Evanelpus 5th Apr 2005 13:18

I would imagine that Airbus will bust a gut to get the thing flying in time for the Paris Airshow, if only to display the aircraft statically.

Cejkovice 5th Apr 2005 13:28


The A330 originally came out with a -300 and then later with the shorter fuselage -200

matkat 5th Apr 2005 15:13

I work for Airbus engineering and do not know of any show stopping snag and in fact just after the roll-out there was a message on the internal web-site dispelling just these type of rumours!

Rainboe 5th Apr 2005 15:34

That is one fine looking aeroplane! Where does the 'ugly' rumour come from? Learn to love it Baby- you will fly for many hours on this beast- it's gonna be just great!

ozplane 5th Apr 2005 16:15

Seloco, didn't the 707 get shortened into the 720 and another sub-series (707-138?) for Qantas? One of the latter is being checked at Southend to see if it is restorable for Qantas

BEagle 5th Apr 2005 16:21

Well, I think that the first flight of the A380 Megabus is going to be quite something! Best wishes to all involved and hope that it goes smoothly.

And a chum of mine who flies the A340-600 for Virgin Atlantic is probably going to be one of the first A380 pilots for the UK's flag carrier, the lucky so-and-so!

rotornut 5th Apr 2005 16:29

If you ask me the 747 is no beauty with that forward bulge. However, that doesn't mean it isn't a great airplane. As for the 380, I think it looks just fine.

Seloco 5th Apr 2005 17:13

Tricky one that, Ozplane! I guess it depends on whether you count the 367-80 as the B707 prototype - in which case at 39m length it was still shorter than the 41.5m 707-138 - or the first 707-120 as the prototype, in which case you are right, as it was, at 44m length, indeed longer than the -138.

and Cejkovice:

I think you have a point there concerning the A330! Although I cannot recall now whether the A340-300 flew before or after the -200 - what was prototyping what in this case?

I really must look out that anorak somewhere........

FunkyMunky 5th Apr 2005 19:54

Even the short stumpy one looks quite appealing to me :ok:

Am I odd for thinking that?

aviate1138 5th Apr 2005 20:12

MK said in part........

"in fact just after the roll-out there was a message on the internal web-site dispelling just these type of rumours!"

You forget the likes of 747FOCAL who continues to post on any possibility of the A380 being a disaster. I think it will look fine when the Graphics types have added the various company logos. Boeing prototypes look awful in their Boeing paint jobs IMHO and only Concorde ever really looked the Dogs Gonads and even its prototype painting was cr*p, AFAIAC. :)
The A380 looks fine to me and I am sure Airbus have it under control.

Aviate 1138

reverserunlocked 5th Apr 2005 21:17

Oops look what I've started. I quite agree that the stretch looks much more in proportion!

seacue 6th Apr 2005 03:39

You mean to say you don't like the looks of this version of the A380? Fits any gate that will accept the first version. :O

reverserunlocked 6th Apr 2005 09:29

Mmm, isn't that just a looker.. reminds me of my ex-wife :{

frangatang 6th Apr 2005 09:53

Hear hear QAR ASR,the truest words written on this site!

DingerX 6th Apr 2005 10:44

small delay no problem if the service life is going to be 35 years?
Hmm, I'll have to remember that if I ever have to announce a construction project delay.

"We're not worried about this 1.5 year setback in construction, since the building should last 400 years"
vita brevis, etc.

Paris Airshow is always an interesting intersection of commercial demands and engineering realities; here's hoping only guts get busted.

missy 6th Apr 2005 11:46

For those pilots moving to the A380 from other aircraft types within your companies fleet, will there is any increase in renumeration?

eal401 6th Apr 2005 12:07

will there is any increase in renumeration?
Why should there be?

QAR ASR 6th Apr 2005 12:58

Eal401, more pay due to greater productivity per pilot.

Even the miserly UK charter airlines recognise that by paying widebody pay.

supercarb 6th Apr 2005 17:49

A380 MSN001 has been handed over to flight test today to commence taxi trials.

Too Loose France 6th Apr 2005 23:32

Heard that during fast taxi and breaking trials in Toulouse, that part of fuselarge "crumpled". Can anyone add anything or even better, refute this rumour.

Listening to the "rumour file" on radio 3AW in Melbourne this morning, this very rumour was on. Is it a case of where there is smoke!

Also the presenter offered the QF Captain from the dust up in NRT as test pilot for the Airbus, if the rumour has any legs.

supercarb 7th Apr 2005 00:54

TLF, very unlikely, seeing as the fast taxi and braking trials have not started yet.

MarkD 7th Apr 2005 01:25

Too Loose France

I hope you called 3AW to call bullsh#t on their rumour... unless that handle of yours is merely a pointer to fanboy love of aircraft that are not Airbuses.

Animalclub 7th Apr 2005 13:48

Gettit right missy...remuneration!!

taffman 7th Apr 2005 19:08

A380 not at Paris
Is it true the A380 will not make Paris airshow because of delayed first flight?


taffman 7th Apr 2005 19:46

It was on the BBC Wales Today news that the A380 was delayed and would not make Paris. Any one with more info?

supercarb 7th Apr 2005 20:27


A spokeswoman for Toulouse-based Airbus said today: "The plane is now in the hands of the flight test crew and the flight is going to take place in the second-half of this month.

"The important thing is to make sure everything goes well and it's better to be over-cautious.

"The plane will definitely be on display at the Paris show but we have not yet decided whether it will fly at the show."

boofta 8th Apr 2005 02:11

So the mighty thin skinned flying Renault will be flying later this
month, thats April is it?
But which year are we talking about!
I wonder if 50 KG cabin crew will deflect the floor boards as much
as their other products do.

Lower Hangar 8th Apr 2005 09:37

My Hot Poop form TLS this morning says 18th/19th April....thats good enough for me:D :D :D :D :D

hobie 8th Apr 2005 16:56

My Hot Poop form TLS this morning says 18th/19th April....thats good enough for me
and I bet you the whole World will be watching it on TV :ok:

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