View Poll Results: Should Chris Darke be re-elected as BALPA Gen Sec. (Straw poll)
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Chris Darke to be re-elected!!! Vote
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a) Which CCs supported JF is totally irrelevant to the election, unless you are trying to forge a BA/non-BA split in the union. The fact is that JF secured sufficient support from BALPA members (represented by their company councils) to stand against CD. Would you have dismissed his support if it had come from say the Britannia and Air UK CCs?
b) What price democracy? Nobody wants to see CD rubber-stamped into another 5 year term just because its the cheapest thing to do. Another 5 year term for CD will cost us all nearly £500,000 in his wages. Significantly more than the cost of two elections.
c) What bad press? This is the only forum available for active debate on the subject of a new General Secretary. Would you rather we had the 2 page document sent with our ballot papers and nothing more? I haven't seen CD round these parts campaigning lately, but then as I only work at one of the UKs busiest airports I can hardly expect that, can I?
Flapless you really should give up on your blatantly biased moaning on this thread. We can all see what you're trying to do, and irrespective of peoples preferences, you are convincing no-one with your half-baked conspiracy theories and baseless arguments. Either add something of substance to the debate or stop wasting our time.
b) What price democracy? Nobody wants to see CD rubber-stamped into another 5 year term just because its the cheapest thing to do. Another 5 year term for CD will cost us all nearly £500,000 in his wages. Significantly more than the cost of two elections.
c) What bad press? This is the only forum available for active debate on the subject of a new General Secretary. Would you rather we had the 2 page document sent with our ballot papers and nothing more? I haven't seen CD round these parts campaigning lately, but then as I only work at one of the UKs busiest airports I can hardly expect that, can I?
Flapless you really should give up on your blatantly biased moaning on this thread. We can all see what you're trying to do, and irrespective of peoples preferences, you are convincing no-one with your half-baked conspiracy theories and baseless arguments. Either add something of substance to the debate or stop wasting our time.
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Hand Solo,
I think flappless makes some good points (as do you!). This thread seems to have turned into a bit of a back slapping excersise for JF. It is important that someone is prepared to look at the flip side - may the best man win !
I think flappless makes some good points (as do you!). This thread seems to have turned into a bit of a back slapping excersise for JF. It is important that someone is prepared to look at the flip side - may the best man win !
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You may be interested to know that within the KLMuk membership (one of the CCs that nominated CD), there is considerable unhappiness with the fact that this nomination was made without reference to the membership. I suspect that the membership in other companies which nominated CD also were not consulted.
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Olympus,
I suspect that is the case with most CC's. Although it is both reasonable and expected that our elected reps deal with the day to day issues without reference to the membership at large, surely on an issue as important as this the little people are entitled to a say.
I'm very pleased that JF has made a stand. We can now expect a fair and democratic process to take place. That is all I ask for.
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Exeng
I suspect that is the case with most CC's. Although it is both reasonable and expected that our elected reps deal with the day to day issues without reference to the membership at large, surely on an issue as important as this the little people are entitled to a say.
I'm very pleased that JF has made a stand. We can now expect a fair and democratic process to take place. That is all I ask for.
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Fuzzy112,
I understand what you are saying; but the problem is that flapless could find the answers to his questions already on the Q&A thread. He just can't be bothered! I think that is why some PPruNe members feel he is being repetitive and does not have a genuine point.
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flapless,
From what I have gleaned from the Q&A it seems quite clear the following answers are to be had.
a) Why is it that NO other CC decided to support you ?
You will find that not all BALPA CC's are listed in CD's manifesto endorsement. For example Monarch and British Midland are not listed. So to say that no other CC's supported JF is not technically accurate; what is certain is that they didn't support CD on his manifesto and he did list everyone he could!
b) Jusify the cost of two elections from the subscriptions of all the members.
There does not have to be two elections unless the second one is contested. I certainly like a choice but to state that there has to be a second election is inaccurate. If there is one then fine by me, worth every penny to find a good GS!
c) Give us your feelings about the impact of the bad press which has been generated by using this medium for your election campaign. There have been thousands of 'hits' on this thread. If I lived abroad I would wonder what on earth was going on at BALPA.
Having an election in a democracy is not "bad press" it is the right thing to do. I personally like being able to change governments if I, and the rest of the country, choose every five years. Why should the GS of BALPA be above it? I really would not bother about the perspective of those living abroad when you clearly already live on a different planet!
Now go read the Q&A and think up a genuine question!
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I understand what you are saying; but the problem is that flapless could find the answers to his questions already on the Q&A thread. He just can't be bothered! I think that is why some PPruNe members feel he is being repetitive and does not have a genuine point.
Regards,
XFO1-11
flapless,
From what I have gleaned from the Q&A it seems quite clear the following answers are to be had.
a) Why is it that NO other CC decided to support you ?
You will find that not all BALPA CC's are listed in CD's manifesto endorsement. For example Monarch and British Midland are not listed. So to say that no other CC's supported JF is not technically accurate; what is certain is that they didn't support CD on his manifesto and he did list everyone he could!
b) Jusify the cost of two elections from the subscriptions of all the members.
There does not have to be two elections unless the second one is contested. I certainly like a choice but to state that there has to be a second election is inaccurate. If there is one then fine by me, worth every penny to find a good GS!
c) Give us your feelings about the impact of the bad press which has been generated by using this medium for your election campaign. There have been thousands of 'hits' on this thread. If I lived abroad I would wonder what on earth was going on at BALPA.
Having an election in a democracy is not "bad press" it is the right thing to do. I personally like being able to change governments if I, and the rest of the country, choose every five years. Why should the GS of BALPA be above it? I really would not bother about the perspective of those living abroad when you clearly already live on a different planet!
Now go read the Q&A and think up a genuine question!
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w.w.w:
"If JF loses and CD and company do not heed the wake-up call then BALPA will shortly find itself a few thousand members poorer"
Please.
Is that a version of ".. if I don't get my way, I'll throw all my toys out of the cot..."?
"If JF loses and CD and company do not heed the wake-up call then BALPA will shortly find itself a few thousand members poorer"
Please.
Is that a version of ".. if I don't get my way, I'll throw all my toys out of the cot..."?
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No I think its more like "This cot is full of cack, it stinks and its of no benefit to me to stay in it. Unless someone changes the sheets, clears the air and makes it beneficial for me to stay I'm gonna move to a new cot and take my child benefit with it."
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How can our membership be so high and our finances in such a state. I've been a member of BALPA for 4 years and only once had the accounts sent to me (couple of years ago), the missus at the time (chartered accountant) tore it to shreds saying that there wasn't enough explanation for dramatic increases in expenditure in certain areas.
I know this sounds a bit vague, but to be honest I tended to switch off when she spoke.
Anyway when will the result be declared?
I know this sounds a bit vague, but to be honest I tended to switch off when she spoke.
Anyway when will the result be declared?
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I've voted for many Elections in BALPA before, doesn't anyone else think it stinks that for the first time BALPA felt it necessary to even include a list who nominated which candidates ? I don't remember ever seeing this info before, correct me if I am mistaken.
Surely it couldn't be to try and influence yet again the results of what to date has been a Democratic circus. How many votes will now be cast like this, "Gee, I don't know either of these guys but if my CC rep thinks Chris D is the man then that's who I'm going to vote for."
If they run an Election this badly, how confident are members here that BALPA HQ are professional enough to run a legal Indutrial Action, where the guidlines are much more complex and STRICTLY enforced, not by in-house lawyers from the same side.
We don't know the answer to the above question(Industrial Action)because miraculously we have never seen BALPA tested in this area. However, we do know that despite having 95% balloted support in recent history they are very good at conceding without a fight.
Surely it couldn't be to try and influence yet again the results of what to date has been a Democratic circus. How many votes will now be cast like this, "Gee, I don't know either of these guys but if my CC rep thinks Chris D is the man then that's who I'm going to vote for."
If they run an Election this badly, how confident are members here that BALPA HQ are professional enough to run a legal Indutrial Action, where the guidlines are much more complex and STRICTLY enforced, not by in-house lawyers from the same side.
We don't know the answer to the above question(Industrial Action)because miraculously we have never seen BALPA tested in this area. However, we do know that despite having 95% balloted support in recent history they are very good at conceding without a fight.
