Smoking on the flight-deck
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Interesting post but so long as your Government sells the farkin' things, and may I point out make a pretty penny, fark-off an talk to your MP.
Don't blame the poor sucker whose being raped by the corporates,government and supporting your health service with a drug thats sanctioned and distuributed for the last century. That said nicotine patches are available.
Don't blame the poor sucker whose being raped by the corporates,government and supporting your health service with a drug thats sanctioned and distuributed for the last century. That said nicotine patches are available.
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F***in hey man...
Flyboyben....cowboy...me?..pretty close..used to fly from wyoming to jfk quite often...but left the buckle when i came back to europe..and the snowboards gloves as the thrust levers used to get my fingers stick to them because of the cold in winter dakotas...
Anyways..whats that bull about being arrogant...I had great fun flying that way...no A/P to have to discoonect,TCAS which was linked to the VSI(only one metro had it)was 80% broke anyways...
If you fly pal look out the WINDOW,its much more fun and you may enjoy your flying..
I used my cd as the AM frequencies gave me mostly country music and some Elvis...which is nice and calming when coming back on sat morning but before an ils to the deck..that is 100ft RAD ALT for us,at 200ft we look ,at 150 we start adding power and 100ft if nothing around were out of there...works pretty well...used friends to come with me to look out the window,much easier than looking up and down all the time...thats what friends or gfriends are for...
Anywas ,i presume you are english....go somewhere do some single pilot freight or bush flying youll fart better...
Flyer75
Flyboyben....cowboy...me?..pretty close..used to fly from wyoming to jfk quite often...but left the buckle when i came back to europe..and the snowboards gloves as the thrust levers used to get my fingers stick to them because of the cold in winter dakotas...
Anyways..whats that bull about being arrogant...I had great fun flying that way...no A/P to have to discoonect,TCAS which was linked to the VSI(only one metro had it)was 80% broke anyways...
If you fly pal look out the WINDOW,its much more fun and you may enjoy your flying..
I used my cd as the AM frequencies gave me mostly country music and some Elvis...which is nice and calming when coming back on sat morning but before an ils to the deck..that is 100ft RAD ALT for us,at 200ft we look ,at 150 we start adding power and 100ft if nothing around were out of there...works pretty well...used friends to come with me to look out the window,much easier than looking up and down all the time...thats what friends or gfriends are for...
Anywas ,i presume you are english....go somewhere do some single pilot freight or bush flying youll fart better...
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Just highlights some people's naivity; I had no idea that smoking still continued on the flight deck. As a passenger I just assumed that the entire plane would be non-smoking. In fact, the flight deck ESPECIALLY so.
Anyway, to add my thoughts, I am a smoker but would hate to work in such confined quarters with somebody chuffing away. Wouldn't light up myself or expect anyone else to. I might sound hypocritical but there is a time and a place.
Having said that, I'm flying Ryanair in a few months time, do you think the captain would mind if I nip up to the cockpit to have a smoke with my Stella?
Anyway, to add my thoughts, I am a smoker but would hate to work in such confined quarters with somebody chuffing away. Wouldn't light up myself or expect anyone else to. I might sound hypocritical but there is a time and a place.
Having said that, I'm flying Ryanair in a few months time, do you think the captain would mind if I nip up to the cockpit to have a smoke with my Stella?
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Dear Passenger,
You are now boarding "FreightDogAnonymous". Thank you for joining us today..the weather in Fargo will be somewhat chilly with gusts to 40 kts and temps of -40C.
As I operate alone, any PAX is welcome to coma and visit for a fag.
Please let me remind you to keep your seatbelt fastened for unexpected turbulence along the way and C172 f*** around the terminal area...
If you have a Stella you can always drink but i will to decline any offers as im short legged and so seated less than 8 inches from the "throttle"
If you have any questions about your Ryan Air flight/pilots, you may enter their website but may have to pay their fee of 30 GB even if you are rated on the ship.
Hope you enjoy your flight with captain "RED EYE" today...
By the way he needs some coffee,1 milk,2 sugars...
Tailwinds,
Flyer75
You are now boarding "FreightDogAnonymous". Thank you for joining us today..the weather in Fargo will be somewhat chilly with gusts to 40 kts and temps of -40C.
As I operate alone, any PAX is welcome to coma and visit for a fag.
Please let me remind you to keep your seatbelt fastened for unexpected turbulence along the way and C172 f*** around the terminal area...
If you have a Stella you can always drink but i will to decline any offers as im short legged and so seated less than 8 inches from the "throttle"
If you have any questions about your Ryan Air flight/pilots, you may enter their website but may have to pay their fee of 30 GB even if you are rated on the ship.
Hope you enjoy your flight with captain "RED EYE" today...
By the way he needs some coffee,1 milk,2 sugars...
Tailwinds,
Flyer75
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Marlboro lights to be exact....
While i have not a doubt in my mind that cigarettes are a BAD BAD thing....I do go to the gym,which I know wont cure a potential cancer....(smoking 10 a day since 4 years,i believei still ahve time to quit).
You boys will understand that freight flying includes being woken up at 3 in the morning to drive through a blizzard,load the freight ,fuel the plane and hope the airport manager doesnt close the snowy runway just before you t/o...he closed as I rotated actually ..funny huhh...anyways point is having a cig right after waking up put my mind into gear and somehow woke me up...i like a casual smoke and enjoyed doing it in the ship...the owner was the first to do it and the mechs were just bothered if we forgot to empty the ashtrays...
Capito?
While i have not a doubt in my mind that cigarettes are a BAD BAD thing....I do go to the gym,which I know wont cure a potential cancer....(smoking 10 a day since 4 years,i believei still ahve time to quit).
You boys will understand that freight flying includes being woken up at 3 in the morning to drive through a blizzard,load the freight ,fuel the plane and hope the airport manager doesnt close the snowy runway just before you t/o...he closed as I rotated actually ..funny huhh...anyways point is having a cig right after waking up put my mind into gear and somehow woke me up...i like a casual smoke and enjoyed doing it in the ship...the owner was the first to do it and the mechs were just bothered if we forgot to empty the ashtrays...
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Waits for the droves of agitated smokers to start defending their habits by calling names and refuting REAL research!
BTW, you wouldn't be an ex-heavyweight boxer writing this in a room with rubber walls would you? You need to calm down mate - have a fag.
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Sorry to hear the problem still goes on. I had the same problem on the Herc Fleet some years ago. My solution was to go off the flight deck until they stopped smoking, until two older guys(bullies) lit up King Teds.I stayed off the flight deck for 45 minutes, made them work for a living balancing the fuel etc, though i did have my headset on down the back. Only to be reported to my boss when we arrived back at base! Got a right roasting over it. RHIP. Though I,d like to meet them in a pub now! the contents of my pint may not stay in the glass too long.
I hope you remember this Bill and Al, you made my life a misery.
I hope you remember this Bill and Al, you made my life a misery.
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Modify checklists?
Perhaps you could make your point by a request to have the smoke in cockpit check list modified to include, "request fight deck crew to extinguish smoking materials then recheck for smoke"
Had you not indicated you wanted to keep your job i'd have just suggestted initiating the existing check list everytime somone lights up. Afterall, can you be sure the only source of smoke is the cigarette?
Good luck getting this resolved.
Had you not indicated you wanted to keep your job i'd have just suggestted initiating the existing check list everytime somone lights up. Afterall, can you be sure the only source of smoke is the cigarette?
Good luck getting this resolved.
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What a lovely post! Sure to attract well meaning replies about the risks of smoking, litigation, foul smelling flight decks, drug addicted pilots - fantastic!
I've never flown with anyone with the balls to light up in the flight deck,. In fact, I think I only know of 2 Capts who smoke.
I used to smoke, but for sensible reasons I gave it up - not an easy thing to do but it's going well so far - 6 months.
When I used to smoke in the car I was always worried about it smelling afterwards so I used to crack the window open - maybe the you should ask the capt to do that.
But seriously, it isn't going to be long before the smoking pilots will all have gone, or failed their medicals, so it might help your promotion prospects if they smoke. Go and buy them a packet of woodbines! You are experiencing a piece of history - a smelly one, and bad for you I admit - but it's something to tell your grandchildren about. You're probably damaging yourself worrying about it. Chill out.
I've never flown with anyone with the balls to light up in the flight deck,. In fact, I think I only know of 2 Capts who smoke.
I used to smoke, but for sensible reasons I gave it up - not an easy thing to do but it's going well so far - 6 months.
When I used to smoke in the car I was always worried about it smelling afterwards so I used to crack the window open - maybe the you should ask the capt to do that.
But seriously, it isn't going to be long before the smoking pilots will all have gone, or failed their medicals, so it might help your promotion prospects if they smoke. Go and buy them a packet of woodbines! You are experiencing a piece of history - a smelly one, and bad for you I admit - but it's something to tell your grandchildren about. You're probably damaging yourself worrying about it. Chill out.
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Mowgli-- you have obviously forgotten what it is like to sit in the tiny 737 flight-deck with THREE others puffing away!! The FO's who began this thread tell me that this still happens! The argument put out by those who tolerate it is that these captains have been smoking for years and could not operate otherwise! From the amount of ash I still see around the nose-steering wheel it hasn't abated yet! I'm told that one particular gent doesn't even go through the pretence of asking first! I spent many years as an FO with a well known UK airline where most of the Captains smoked all the time and not just cigarettes but cigars and pipes! I hated it and suffered more coughs and colds than I ever do now-- but that was over 15 years ago! Times have changed or haven't they?
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So, this is the way it works, is it?
Captains can do whatever they like, first officers cower in the right hand seat putting up with all sorts of nonsense for the first part of their career until they get promoted to the exhalted position of captain at which point they can do whatever they like and their own first officers have to cower in the right hand seat putting up with all sorts of nonsense until they get promoted....and so on and on.
I cannot believe - perhaps simply don't wish to believe - that airlines foster a culture of laissez faire and cover your arse. Are you all seriously trying to tell me that the industry is in such a state that a first officer (someone who, I'd quite like to think, is well educated, professional and with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together) would be too intimidated to report serious breaches of SOPs and of the law? Do they really run the risk of dismissal for dealing - professionaly - with someone who endangers the aircraft?
You're all having a laugh. Must be.
Captains can do whatever they like, first officers cower in the right hand seat putting up with all sorts of nonsense for the first part of their career until they get promoted to the exhalted position of captain at which point they can do whatever they like and their own first officers have to cower in the right hand seat putting up with all sorts of nonsense until they get promoted....and so on and on.
I cannot believe - perhaps simply don't wish to believe - that airlines foster a culture of laissez faire and cover your arse. Are you all seriously trying to tell me that the industry is in such a state that a first officer (someone who, I'd quite like to think, is well educated, professional and with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together) would be too intimidated to report serious breaches of SOPs and of the law? Do they really run the risk of dismissal for dealing - professionaly - with someone who endangers the aircraft?
You're all having a laugh. Must be.
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just leave the cockpit when old smokey lites up!!..probably most airlines have a post 911 requirement to replace a crewmember with a flight attendant when one leaves....you don't get smelly, he gets to smoke, and a step or two closer to the flight ops office if the f/a cops him in...which is all self imposed!!......unless of course the f/a likes a puff up stairs, but you're not in the cockpit so who cares.....
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"..... serious breaches of SOPs and of the law" ? "..... someone who endangers the aircraft" ?
"Do they really run the risk of dismissal .... etc?"
No. They run the risk of getting on the wrong side of someone whose support/favourable comments they may need in due course. Or of being regarded as someone who reports colleagues for relatively minor breaches of SOPs - depending upon your point of view.
"the industry in such a state"?
Is it so very different from the position of young lawyers (also "well educated, professional and with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together") starting out on their careers?
"..... serious breaches of SOPs and of the law" ? "..... someone who endangers the aircraft" ?
"Do they really run the risk of dismissal .... etc?"
No. They run the risk of getting on the wrong side of someone whose support/favourable comments they may need in due course. Or of being regarded as someone who reports colleagues for relatively minor breaches of SOPs - depending upon your point of view.
"the industry in such a state"?
Is it so very different from the position of young lawyers (also "well educated, professional and with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together") starting out on their careers?
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It is my honour to point out that yr a pratt of the highest order.
smoking on the flight deck a "minor point"?
Plus, why all the debate about should or shouldn't people smoke on the flight deck? SOP's will state that smoking is not allowed so.........(and here's the tricky bit) SMOKING IS NOT ALLOWED!
Am just waiting for this subject to appear in the national press. Yet another kick for aviation. Well done ryanair
It is my honour to point out that yr a pratt of the highest order.
smoking on the flight deck a "minor point"?
Plus, why all the debate about should or shouldn't people smoke on the flight deck? SOP's will state that smoking is not allowed so.........(and here's the tricky bit) SMOKING IS NOT ALLOWED!
Am just waiting for this subject to appear in the national press. Yet another kick for aviation. Well done ryanair
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FL - as it happens, yes I do think it is different.
If I make a mistake, someone will lose money. I may lose my job over it, if it is serious enough.
If a commercial pilot makes a mistake there is a risk that someone will lose their life.
The fact that there appears - to an outside at least - to be a culture of 'no no, better not say anything for fear of hurting my career prospects' in the airline industry is a cause for concern. Let us, for the sake of argument, suppose that smoking on the flight deck is a relatively minor infraction (and for the record I do not think it is); if the public at large become aware that certain flight crew can breach such minor regulations and break the law whenever they, in their infinite wisdom, think it appropriate to do so what confidence can the public have that flight crew won't go around breaching more important regulations? Sticking rigidly to SIDs, for example, or not drinking within the 8 hour 'bottle to throttle' window.
The fact is that those who light up in the cockpit aren't Dan Dare types who with a wink and a slap of the thigh can say 'to hell with the book, I'm going to do it my way!' and run off to defend God and the American Way coming back to a hero's welcome. They are professional pilots who are breaking the law and endangering their aircraft and the lives of those in it and under it. But the fact that there are those of you out there with commercial licences who say either 'leave well alone, or who knows what might happen to your career prospects,' or even worse 'leave well alone, you miserable tree huggers,' frankly astonishes me.
If I make a mistake, someone will lose money. I may lose my job over it, if it is serious enough.
If a commercial pilot makes a mistake there is a risk that someone will lose their life.
The fact that there appears - to an outside at least - to be a culture of 'no no, better not say anything for fear of hurting my career prospects' in the airline industry is a cause for concern. Let us, for the sake of argument, suppose that smoking on the flight deck is a relatively minor infraction (and for the record I do not think it is); if the public at large become aware that certain flight crew can breach such minor regulations and break the law whenever they, in their infinite wisdom, think it appropriate to do so what confidence can the public have that flight crew won't go around breaching more important regulations? Sticking rigidly to SIDs, for example, or not drinking within the 8 hour 'bottle to throttle' window.
The fact is that those who light up in the cockpit aren't Dan Dare types who with a wink and a slap of the thigh can say 'to hell with the book, I'm going to do it my way!' and run off to defend God and the American Way coming back to a hero's welcome. They are professional pilots who are breaking the law and endangering their aircraft and the lives of those in it and under it. But the fact that there are those of you out there with commercial licences who say either 'leave well alone, or who knows what might happen to your career prospects,' or even worse 'leave well alone, you miserable tree huggers,' frankly astonishes me.
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It's a relief to me that I won't have to pay for that MCC course after all. I just have to be weak enough to meekly accept an overbearing, rule breaking captain until it's my turn to be one myself.
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