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Buenos Dias,
Firstly forgive me that this is not in Spanish, it is not that good yet.
I work for easyJet, UK, and am looking at moving with the company to the new MAD base opening in Feb.
easyJet have given us a contract but as it is a Spanish contract we have little to base our opinions on it.
So could I ask fellow Spainsh pilots, employed by Spanish carriers the following questions;
1. What is your basic Salary Capt, SFO & FO.
2. Does the company pay into a pension?
3. What allowances do you get from the company, per diem, horly rate, overnight etc.
4. What tax allowances can you expect from the gov't.
5. I only have tax figures from a few years ago, do you have the current ones?
Gracias.
Firstly forgive me that this is not in Spanish, it is not that good yet.
I work for easyJet, UK, and am looking at moving with the company to the new MAD base opening in Feb.
easyJet have given us a contract but as it is a Spanish contract we have little to base our opinions on it.
So could I ask fellow Spainsh pilots, employed by Spanish carriers the following questions;
1. What is your basic Salary Capt, SFO & FO.
2. Does the company pay into a pension?
3. What allowances do you get from the company, per diem, horly rate, overnight etc.
4. What tax allowances can you expect from the gov't.
5. I only have tax figures from a few years ago, do you have the current ones?
Gracias.
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Dear Easy,
If you are coming to MAD, a warm welcome to you.
Regarding salary and paying scales, Easy pays better than almost any Spanish company.
Taxes will depend on salary, but also, I think you may choose to pay taxes in the UK.
Good luck and Merry Christmas
If you are coming to MAD, a warm welcome to you.
Regarding salary and paying scales, Easy pays better than almost any Spanish company.
Taxes will depend on salary, but also, I think you may choose to pay taxes in the UK.
Good luck and Merry Christmas
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Lo que yo tenía pensado era esto. ¿Hay alguna oportunidad para entrar en la compañia EasyJet después de terminar mi curso integrado en Aerodynamics Málaga, porque según lo que se, la situación en España no está muy bien?
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Lo que yo tenía pensado era esto. ¿Hay alguna oportunidad para entrar en la compañia EasyJet después de terminar mi curso integrado en Aerodynamics Málaga, porque según lo que se, la situación en España no está muy bien?
easyJet coge unos "cadets" pero ellos vienen de la escuela CTC, en Nueva Zelanda con el ATPL integrado apena sacado.
Sin embargo, lo que puedes hacer despues de Aerodynamics Malaga es solicitar en Ryanair como cadet (con tu frozn atpl y 200 horas totales)
mucha suerte !
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Bueno, otra posibilidad, porque Aerodynamics me da alrededor de 200 horas o algo así. Gracias ICING AOA. ¿En España no creo que hay alguna aerolínea que coja cadets verdad?
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depende de lo que llamas "cadet".
en Air France, Flybe, GB, easyJet, Monarch, etc, etc, los "cadets" son unos que nunca ha subido en una avioneta.
En Ryanair, los cadets son los que tienen como minimo el frozen ATPL, MCC y 200 horas de avioneta.
En espania, las companias como Swiftair, Air Nostrum, etc, si que cogen gente con los mismos requisitos que los "cadets" de Ryanair, a la diferencia que hay que tener muchos amigos politicos
en Air France, Flybe, GB, easyJet, Monarch, etc, etc, los "cadets" son unos que nunca ha subido en una avioneta.
En Ryanair, los cadets son los que tienen como minimo el frozen ATPL, MCC y 200 horas de avioneta.
En espania, las companias como Swiftair, Air Nostrum, etc, si que cogen gente con los mismos requisitos que los "cadets" de Ryanair, a la diferencia que hay que tener muchos amigos politicos
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easy en madrid
Buenos dias
Ya se acercan las fechas de apertura de la base de easy en madrid y es bastante desconcertante que no se sepa nada al respecto de la selección de pilotos. Alguien sabe algo especifico para la base de Madrid como por ejemplo quien hace las pruebas o cuando se van a realizar. Se de gente que se ha presentado y ha pasado por CTC pero eso es para EZY en general y no para la base de Madrid en especial. Se oyen rumores de que las pruebas se harán por Madrid como lo etán haciendo con los TCP.
Ya se acercan las fechas de apertura de la base de easy en madrid y es bastante desconcertante que no se sepa nada al respecto de la selección de pilotos. Alguien sabe algo especifico para la base de Madrid como por ejemplo quien hace las pruebas o cuando se van a realizar. Se de gente que se ha presentado y ha pasado por CTC pero eso es para EZY en general y no para la base de Madrid en especial. Se oyen rumores de que las pruebas se harán por Madrid como lo etán haciendo con los TCP.
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En Easyjet no te garantizan la base. Te presentas y cuando pasas la pruebas firmas el contrato. Un mes antes de empezar te dicen la base. Puede que sea Madrid, pero puede que sea cualquier otra base en la que necesitan pilotos. Lo mismo pasa al ascender a comandante, no te garantizan que puedas ascender y quedarte en Madrid porloque puedes acabar en Belfast, Glasgow...
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Very good news as well for Ryanair still expanding a lot in Spain
So carry on this way and easyJet will rapidly loose its potential market in Spain
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That's a very good news for Clickair and Vueling which are expanding a lot those days to end up with a total 60 A320's by 2008
Very good news as well for Ryanair still expanding a lot in Spain
So carry on this way and easyJet will rapidly loose its potential market in Spain ...
Very good news as well for Ryanair still expanding a lot in Spain
So carry on this way and easyJet will rapidly loose its potential market in Spain
.../CP
56% up this year...
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If easyJet wants to lower terms and conditions in Spain, it is because competition is HARD !!
So if your BALPA wants to create some troubles to easyJet Spain, it might result of no spanish base anymore
What do you prefer ?
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Seriously, do you really think that ezy could not operate with current UK T&Cs out of MAD without making money and being competetive??
Reallity check needed I think.... But anyway, not here to have an argument with you about this...
My point is that if we, the pilots, via our unions (BALPA and others in Europe) accept contracts like the one ezy is offering in Spain then we will ALL soon be on bread and water my friend. Where do you think the next ezy base, not on UK contract, will be?? I think eastern Europe...then they will start hireing and basing ALL the staff there on a 6/2 (or similar) schedule. On day one you will be operating a flight from your base in to London, then you spend 5 days operating out of London....Getting paid 30% (?) less, doing the same job as I am... Then the rest (Monarch, Thomson, Air Berlin (already doing this??), First Choice etc etc) will join.....
At the end of the day, its up to me, you, us to decide when enough is enough....
I wish you all good luck!
/CP
Reallity check needed I think.... But anyway, not here to have an argument with you about this...
My point is that if we, the pilots, via our unions (BALPA and others in Europe) accept contracts like the one ezy is offering in Spain then we will ALL soon be on bread and water my friend. Where do you think the next ezy base, not on UK contract, will be?? I think eastern Europe...then they will start hireing and basing ALL the staff there on a 6/2 (or similar) schedule. On day one you will be operating a flight from your base in to London, then you spend 5 days operating out of London....Getting paid 30% (?) less, doing the same job as I am... Then the rest (Monarch, Thomson, Air Berlin (already doing this??), First Choice etc etc) will join.....
At the end of the day, its up to me, you, us to decide when enough is enough....
I wish you all good luck!
/CP
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I think that you will find that while there is no shortage of low houred non rated FO's in Spain (and BTW most of them will not speak english to a level required by a UK airline). There are very few experienced FO's and hardly any captains.
Spanair only hires FO's and low experience is not a problem since they already have an stablished airline there. Vueling and Click are really strugling to find experienced pilots and they have been increasing the Terms and Conditions steadily in order to be able to crew their airplanes. Did you know that with Click you can fly 7 on 7 off? Both Click and Vueling offer bases in Barcelona which are much more appealing to expats and people are prepared to lower their income in order to live in the sun. Madrid is freezing in winter, boiling in summer and nowhere near a beach. Finally the planed growth of the low cost airlines in the next two years in Spain is in the order of 40 airframes. D you think they are going to be crewed by 200 hour guys that got their licence five years ago and haven't flown since?. This is the very unfortunate situation of most in the big pool of pilots in Spain.
Ezy is counting on taking some of the Air Madrid guys (as they have just lost their AOC) but I dare say most of them have already been offered jobs by Click and Vueling.
Ezy will pick up some very keen low houred FO's in Spain and in five years time they will make excellent captains. For the next couple of years is in the same global market place for pilots as everybody else. The proof of this is that the Madrid base remains undercrewed.
Spanair only hires FO's and low experience is not a problem since they already have an stablished airline there. Vueling and Click are really strugling to find experienced pilots and they have been increasing the Terms and Conditions steadily in order to be able to crew their airplanes. Did you know that with Click you can fly 7 on 7 off? Both Click and Vueling offer bases in Barcelona which are much more appealing to expats and people are prepared to lower their income in order to live in the sun. Madrid is freezing in winter, boiling in summer and nowhere near a beach. Finally the planed growth of the low cost airlines in the next two years in Spain is in the order of 40 airframes. D you think they are going to be crewed by 200 hour guys that got their licence five years ago and haven't flown since?. This is the very unfortunate situation of most in the big pool of pilots in Spain.
Ezy is counting on taking some of the Air Madrid guys (as they have just lost their AOC) but I dare say most of them have already been offered jobs by Click and Vueling.
Ezy will pick up some very keen low houred FO's in Spain and in five years time they will make excellent captains. For the next couple of years is in the same global market place for pilots as everybody else. The proof of this is that the Madrid base remains undercrewed.
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calypso 
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apart from the cadets from CTC, ezy wont take low hours guys, i dont know where you got that from
!!
yes I know clickair is 7/7 which is bad to my own point of view...
Finally, stop considering that all spanish people cant speak english properly, most of them could even easily correct all your mistakes that we can read each time you post a reply here on PPRUNE !!
And at last, lots of air nostrum guys, Denimair guys, swiftair guys, etc, etc are interested in going on the Airbus or Boeing one day !! and they are obviously not 200 hours guys !! sin olvidar los que estan volando el B737 o el A320 en Asia cobrando nada !!
,apart from the cadets from CTC, ezy wont take low hours guys, i dont know where you got that from
!!yes I know clickair is 7/7 which is bad to my own point of view...
Finally, stop considering that all spanish people cant speak english properly, most of them could even easily correct all your mistakes that we can read each time you post a reply here on PPRUNE !!
And at last, lots of air nostrum guys, Denimair guys, swiftair guys, etc, etc are interested in going on the Airbus or Boeing one day !! and they are obviously not 200 hours guys !! sin olvidar los que estan volando el B737 o el A320 en Asia cobrando nada !!
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Hi guys!
very interesting thread!
Can anybody clarify EZY T&C in MAD please?
We are fighting between us when Easy, Iberia, Spanair (ridicolous pay), Ryanair etc...are making money!!!
Just jumped from RYR to EZY for better t&c...RYR pilots in MAD are all Brookfield cos ryr contract is crap!!!
Honestly would be interesting to know what ezy is offering for mad...
easy solo coje pilotos sin experiencia a travez de CTC...si experiencia significa sin horas jar25 (no importa si eres instructor o tienes 5000 horas de 152...), ryr coje a todo el mundo...el importante es q haga bien el sim..!
Condiciones RYR al momento EN PERDIDA!!!
Creo q al momento EZY sea mejor q otras empresas espanolas y no creo q ezy coja a gente de air madrid para ponerlos en espana...yo soy italiano ( he estudiado en Airman - madrid) y me mandan en NCL...
Creo que, si lo q ponen en la pagina web es verdad, vueling no respeta a quien hace un trabajo tan profesional como el nuestro. Mirar la pagina de EZY...!
ciao
very interesting thread!
Can anybody clarify EZY T&C in MAD please?
We are fighting between us when Easy, Iberia, Spanair (ridicolous pay), Ryanair etc...are making money!!!
Just jumped from RYR to EZY for better t&c...RYR pilots in MAD are all Brookfield cos ryr contract is crap!!!
Honestly would be interesting to know what ezy is offering for mad...
easy solo coje pilotos sin experiencia a travez de CTC...si experiencia significa sin horas jar25 (no importa si eres instructor o tienes 5000 horas de 152...), ryr coje a todo el mundo...el importante es q haga bien el sim..!
Condiciones RYR al momento EN PERDIDA!!!
Creo q al momento EZY sea mejor q otras empresas espanolas y no creo q ezy coja a gente de air madrid para ponerlos en espana...yo soy italiano ( he estudiado en Airman - madrid) y me mandan en NCL...
Creo que, si lo q ponen en la pagina web es verdad, vueling no respeta a quien hace un trabajo tan profesional como el nuestro. Mirar la pagina de EZY...!
ciao
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ryr coje a todo el mundo...el importante es q haga bien el sim..!
En FR, los requisitos son mas o menos los mismos que en EZY: 200 horas de avionetas para entrar de "cadet" o 1500 horas de JAR25 para entrar de "F/O".
He oido que muchos de air madrid se han ido en Clickair y Vueling.
Ademas, Air Comet cambia su flota en todo Airbus, asi que quiza tendran suerte ahi tambien !