Thanx "Toucan9278" for posting the questions ..... Hope it helps others like me who are yet to appear for the assessment.

Can Someone please Confirm What CASS is ????

CASS – CAE Aircrew Selection System

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Selection Process

All pre-selected applicants will go through the following tests:

Aviation Knowledge Test
English Language Skills Test
CASS – CAE Aircrew Selection System
Group Exercise
Personal Interview

Dates and location shall be advised when you are invited for the selection process.

The cost for this selection process is USD 375 and is non refundable. Extra costs (travel, housing, etc.) will be payable by the trainee.

https://pilot.cae.com/Programs/Indigo.aspx

@Toucan9278 Thanks 4 the questions
is that a complete question?

Anybody know any CRM questions or resources to read

for a 3 degree descent just multiply GS by 5...
150 x 5 = 750 FPM

cheers,
google

As per this question, you will have to find the angle. Vertical distance lost is 16,000 feet and horizontal distance travelled is 39 nm (or 237,120 feet).
Now find tan Ө .

tan Ө = perpendicular/base ---> tan Ө = 16000/237120

You get tan Ө = 0.06747
Therefore, Ө = 3.86 degrees

Then apply that to the formula,

Rate of descent = Groundspeed x Glide slope angle x 100/60

You will get the ROD as 1158 feet per minute.

(I hope this is correct. If not, kindly correct me but please be polite)

well i m getting the answer as 1230 fpm

the way i calculated is that i first found out ground speed by using tas, track and wind dir and speed via flight calculator.
i got gs as 180kts

then took hori distance and divided it by speed to get time which i got as 13 mins

then i divided 16000 feet by 13 mins and i got the answer as 1230 fpm

well is this method and answer correct????

My Solution
TAS=197Kts
Course---240
Wind---180/30
Using this data on the flight computer, GS=182Kts
Using the GS and D=39NM
Time=12.8mins
Vertical Distance flown in 12.8mins=16000ft
RoD=16000/12.8
RoD=1250fpm
@ktmb-ktmb
hey, good attempt buddy. Will always b polite:)
I DOn't trust that formula because the G.S. is in Kts and RoD comes out in FpM. Did u get ur GS 180 or 182 Kts?

Quote:

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Rate of descent = Groundspeed x Glide slope angle x 100/60

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@aditya
thats same like me
however i took all decimals and multiplied so for me time came to say 12.9 so i rounded of to 13

and btw the exact formula wud be gs x slope angle x 6080 /3600

well this wat i have been learning and if calculated then answers mismatch by very less difference

but just wanted to confirm the original formula

Thanx ... looks like I messed up somewhere .... because your solution looks simple and correct. I'll see where I went wrong.
I got my groundspeed as 180 (by CX-2)

I had to mention the "polite" part coz I have seen people here getting just way out of control for just a simple comment.

U r right, I got stick frm a user in another thread while trying to help some1. http://www.pprune.org/5746770-post19.html

@ktmb-ktmb @avalanche007
I don't trust that formula because its an approximation. Most people use it and it should give u the same answer. ktmb, my solution could be wrong.
I got GS of 182Kts from manual flight computer and verified with vector-trigonometry method. U got 180Kts from CX2.

bombayhues tells me that he got 1450fpm, he used a descend from 22000ft.

The descent started from FL 220 and not FL 200 as mentioned earlier.
Hence the total vertical distance travelled is 18000 feet.
TAS - 197
Wind - 240/30 (Hence headwind = 30 cosine 60 = 15)
Ground Speed = 197 - 15 = 182 kts
39 NMs travelled at a speed of 182 kts will take 12.85 mins
Hence the ROD will be 18000/12.85 = 1400 ft/min

I have no clue why we get a different answer using the CX2 or the ROD formula. But the above is the way I solved it

@adiyta
hi, well its not about trusting
our method is correct but still someone came up with rod formula which was slightly different than mine so i wanna inquire which is actually correct::confused::confused:

I apologise, if the reply felt that way, but I found that you were essentially misleading by your lack of information, you had good intention, but for helping out good intention is not enough.

@jimmygill apologies unexpected but still accepted. u were just being urself.

@avalanche @bombayhues
only me and hues got 182 kts GS.
the formula can b used if u are comfortable with cramming .

Anyways shall we move onto discussing another question?
Any CRM question or resources.

cae indigo scam
 

You may try all you want, you may answer all questions here. Are you aware how we all are being taken for a royal ride by cae indigo combine.
What has been the number of pilots passing each time? Only 4 out of 40 to 50. now now much have we paid? - $375 each which translates into approx Rs.17,5000/- per pilot. So they charge ALL of us appearing this amount and pass a miniscule number.
Question – how do only 4 guys get above 70% each time they hold the exams?
A simple calculation tells us that they collect Rs.8,75,000/- (17500*50) each time they hold an exam. Only 17500*4=70000 is used and rest of amount (over 8,00,000) is just free income for them – and this is for each day they conduct an exam. So if they do it twice a month – it is a neat SIXTEEN LAKH RUPEES. Now if this is not a racket than what is?
While you all can keep studying, you know that you will not be able to get in. getting in is another racket based on how much money you can pay up. The going rate is 5 to 8 lakhs. Now sixteen lakh is official income by making suckers out of us, rest is private income on the side. What a nice racket!!!
What are we all doing studying? Lets start a job fair for pilots and charge each one any amount. Considering the number in the market and all of us ready to part with our money easily, we wouldn’t ever need to work. Go air wants 10000 rupees with our application – for what?
Can DGCA or someone do anything about this recruitment scam going on? Guess no as they would all be hand in glove in it.
Out of sixteen lakh how much is cae raking it in and how much is indigo making out of it? Can anyone answer this question? :ugh:

@aditya104
@bombayhues
@avalanche007
@jimmygill

I tried to solve the problem using 3 methods.
(i) Trigonometry
(ii) 1: 60 Rule
(iii) Unitary Method

And guess what, all 3 methods give a different answer.

@ktmb

Dude, though I do not see any fault with the trig solution of yours, I cant help but feel that you can apply basic trigonometry to solve this one (why? I dont know).

As for the other two solutions. If you use 6080/3600 (instead of 100/60) in the 1:60 rule method then you will get the same answer for both the 1:60 rule method as well as the unitary method, which is 1230 ft/min.

@ktmb
 

Well..good job first of all!

but since this is a thread specifically for Cae-IndiGo process... its a must to know that the answers mentioned there would be an approximation, so you may use any method, the moment you look at the choices the right answer will be clear!

@everyone else... I would suggest go thru CRM and Human Factors too, as everything else you have anyways covered for your DGCA exams!

Happy Landings!

P.S. anybody knows when the next exam is goin to take place?

i) ROD / GS = tan(theta) = 16000/(39*6080),
i.e. ROD = GS*16000/(39*6080) = 1231 fpm

calculating theta was unnecessary here


ii) 1:60 rule is an approximation, actually it ought to be 1:57.3, another approximation used is
for small theta

tan(theta) = theta (radian)

one overestimates other underestimates so we have a fairly reasonable answer.



This approximation is used in calculating theta, and calculating theta is not necessary.

iii) Unitary method is by far the most accurate method you have used... and it is same as using good trigonometry without approximation hence same answer 1231 fpm..

I know this is out of context...but does anyone have an idea as to how many girls have been selected so far?

@ktmb
3rd method best. comm'on next question...................

good question frm spreading :}

2 gals got selected from may batch

Cae Entrance test.
 

Thanks to all of them who took the the pains, to answer & solve the questions.

And one more thing does anyone know wen is the next assesment is being held by Indigo..???

@mighty falcon
 

friend of mine started training yesterday at CAE, Madrid.

@787
does he belong to the bribe & contacts tribe or the meritorious tribe?

@LOFT
I have no idea what category he/she belongs to and frankly I dont care . If people have contacts which can help them get a job then they will use them and there is nothing wrong with it. I would have done the same thing and so would have u or any other CPL holder without a job.

@mighty falcon
They had the written id the 1st week of may and were given LOIs in mid May.

to be precise and accurate with the dates
3 and 4 may was written
11 may interview
13 may interview resullts

as said mid may loi was sent

then visa application
and then they all most departed by 20 or 21 june

@loft: in written there is no jugaad or influcenc kind of thing
and i guess same continues till the end

so cae was fair in selecting pilots

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@ avalanche007
quote "in written there is no jugaad or influcenc kind of thing and i guess same continues till the end
so cae was fair in selecting pilots"

Thanx Bud , that is what i was looking for.:ok:

Son, you're sadly mistaken.

Get this straight CAE people are some of the lousiest creeps :mad: in this business.

It is exactly because of kids like you that they can easily make quick bucks.

Even if several others say that they are fraud, they know that there will always be someone like you in the end, who will say that the selection process is fair.
And this is exactly why a few unsuspecting non-jugaadu people are always made to pass in the tests.

Let me explain in as simple way as possible :

In each round of CAE-Indigo selections, about 40 to 50 candidates are invited.

Out of these about 4-10 candidates are FIXED. They are the "jugaadu" candidates.

The remaining candidates are just sources of good quick easy money who will be failed in the initial written test itself.

Then next round, along with the jugaadu candidates very few non-jugaadu candidates are also selected.
This is so that no one suspects any fraud in the whole selection process and even if people suspect, then the non jugaadu kids like you will tell everyone else that it is all rubbish and that CAE selection is very fair.

Then finally in the interview round, ofcourse only the jugaadu kids are selected and the nonjugaadu kids rejected.

Finally, what happens is that the very few non-jugaadu kids start thinking that they had indeed done very well in the written test and that because of sheer bad luck or whatever, you could not clear the interview round.
You'll be thinking that the whole written test, psychometry tests are all fair and square while only the Indigo interview is fixed.

Plus, the buggers in CAE know very well that the non jugaadu kids like you who cleared the written test, but rejected in interview will tell everyone that the CAE selection is fair hence, they will always have enough number of gullible kids who will be most willing to shell out $375.

:ok:

@alphabravocharlie:

sir, whatever you just mentioned was really eyes opening.
well i made that statement because i did not had any jugaad and was selected in written

however i was rejected in final interview without any reasons given.

hence i was saying that cae process looks fair based upon my experience

but then what ever u said is correct then i wont ever make that statement.

i really never thought that might be the case.

and yes why will others say that they are in with jugaad. and i thought that we all were selected on our merits.

well i guess that was in my fate and it happened to me. still i got some good experience with written, english test and also the cass test (it was damn tough)

thanks for your advice.

i always really like whatever you say sir.

do keep correcting us whenever we are wrong or misguided

thanks again

@loft: sorry buddy, i will take my that statement back after this post

Quote:
"Then next round, along with the jugaadu candidates very few non-jugaadu candidates are also selected.
This is so that no one suspects any fraud in the whole selection process and even if people suspect, then the non jugaadu kids like you will tell everyone else that it is all rubbish and that CAE selection is very fair."

I have not heard of anybody who has failed in the next round.
Till now only one batch has been completely selected (the next is under process) and only one student has been eliminated after the written. That too in the interview round.

I do not wish to oppose you but to point out my views.Forgive me if you feel offended.
For the next processes, they use some expensive piece of equipment for the Psychometric test. Also a delegate from abroad comes to conduct it. I believe a lot of money is used for this. This is where the rest of the money goes.


looking at the last DGCA exam results, it has come to my notice that only 3-4 percent of the entire students who attended the exam cleared.
Either the DGCA is unfair or the students didn't study enough.
If the latter is true, then the CAE pass percentage is valid.

If both are unjust, our country is undergoing serious corruption.
If they are fair, the students in our country need to do some serious studying.

Its better to study full on for the exam and see what happens. The knowledge may come handy for the future exams in case we don't make it in this one.

cherio !!

Well what alphabravocharlie said might be true, but as avlanche007 earlier stated that he cleared written without any jugaad and he found cass lil tough ...so dt might b the reason he cudnt go thru the final stage....not just jugaad thing.
I believe its unfair to say that everything is rigged.. claiming this without any detail can be a case of "sour grapes"

@avlanche007 sir you cleared wrttn and met oder ppl who also cleared that exam.
what do you think about their intellect and knowledge? did dey seem deserving??

"JACK n jill in INDIGO recruitment"
 

As for the written, its my belief that its fair play. I was able to pass the written only because i did well.A few of my "jugaadu" friends who had solid contacts in Indigo, unfortunately, FAILED. I see no reason why that should have happened unless-

1. Their jack wasnt strong enough (I doubt that very seriously.)
2. The selection was fair. (believe it or not guys)

During my limited interaction with the other guys selected in the written and interview, I felt most come from non aviation backgrounds and are super nerdy (you gotta have a look at them to know what im saying:8-DEFINITELY NOT meant for the "coolest airline" )

As for the eliminations in the interview,in the last batch, they have mostly been on the basis of the CASS score. (AND MOST OF THE ELIMINATED KIDS WERE JUGAADU!)

This is as fair as it gets guys. You cannot expect anything cleaner and more clear cut than this.

What i can conclude by reading previous few posts is that take all the chances that come your way even if you have to spend some 18k over it. We don't get these chances every other day.

Dear Air on ice,
You said that some students were eliminated during interview because of poor CASS score..Is CASS what people call the psychometric??...do you know how many students got eliminated because of that last time ?..If CASS goes bad, thay shouldn't take the pains of calling him to the interview...right?....Sorry to bother you but a friend of mine who recently appeared for the CASS says that it didn't go well....your help will be appreciated...

cherio and thanks in advance

In the first interview session, 2 or 3 people were eliminated.Atleast one of them on their CASS analysis.
CASS- its a psycomotor and psychometric analysis...like a detailed personality assessment of your likes and dislikes as well as assessment of your motor skills.Everything is computerized and most of the questionnaires are filled up online.

As far as Indigo's decision last time to call even the poor scorers to the interview, I feel its because CAE does not want to eliminate anyone merely on the basis of the CASS score , but wants to leave the decision in the hands of the company. There is a certain KIND of mentality that Indigo needs in its pilot.
Its very difficult to say whats a "good" performance and whats a bad one.Most of the people find it difficult to multi task so many things altogether.The whole idea of it is to put a person in stress:ugh:.All the best to your friend for his result.

@air on ice...I've heard to the contrary....you seem to be very pro cae

Thank you Air on Ice..I really appreciate your reply..
Dear jetzup,
May I know what you have heard on the contrary ?

Thanks