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tamie 8th Aug 2008 16:37

Hey,

no, I am not living and working there - yet. But I am working on it for quite a long time now. Hopefully I will go there soon... :)
I don't speak Vietnamese, I am learning with Rosetta Stone and several self study books. But the Vietnamese guys around me here are just laughing when I try to talk to them... ok, they don't understand me ;) as I still don't understand them. Difficult... But I guess English is helpful there most of the time, isn't it?

I am sure you will have easy shuttle to Australia when you work in Vietnam. Shouldn't be any problem. Don't wait too long with your application because you might have to wait quite a long time until you will get any response. Obviously they have plenty of A320 crews interested in joining them.

jumpdrive 8th Aug 2008 20:42

OMG tamie
are U for real ?
which planet U live in ?
disney land ?
ha ha ha ha

tamie 9th Aug 2008 00:26

Jumpdrive,

are you for real?

Yes, I am, and I am very pleasent with it.
I will always share my experience with those who are asking for it.

You can behave as you want to. But I will never ever let me tell how I will have to behave.

tamie 9th Aug 2008 00:29

Thats for sure.

vikena 9th Aug 2008 13:57

Starskate you are correct . Lets stick to the topic.

But also tamie can you stop posting on this thread. you sound like a child.

Lost in Saigon 9th Aug 2008 14:29


Originally Posted by vikena (Post 4319195)
But also tamie can you stop posting on this thread. you sound like a child.


vikena, I see nothing wrong with tamie's posts and I see nothing that makes them sound like a child.

Can you tell us why you have a problem with her posts?

olepilot 11th Aug 2008 16:28

Some facts and one opinion
 
Most places rather-very noisy.

House rent very high and rising, especially in expat areas, An Phu & Phu My Hung. Most landlords want +100% when it's time to renew contract.
Downtown and close to airport cheaper, with a bit of luck and patience.

Inflation 21%

School, approx. 1100USD/month/kid.

To and from duty taxi, motorbike, motorcycle-taxi or walk if you live in Tan Binh.

Rather different/special place/country/company but if you can cope and accept you can have a good life here.

PARC is IMO very quick to respond.


and in my opinion, tamie and likes, spare us your hearsay and "I think/heard/believe-info" This thread is long enough without a lot of static.

Lost in Saigon 11th Aug 2008 20:49

Cars are very expensive in Vietnam due to a special import tax to discourage their use. (the roads are too crowded)

Cars takes for ever to get anywhere because of all the traffic so you are better off to take a motorbike. If it rains, you stop and throw on your poncho like everyone else.

OR... Take a taxi, they are still relatively cheap if you live not too far from the airport.

NVpilot 11th Aug 2008 21:40


I know it rains a lot in Vietnam
It does? Compared to where, yes it's now officially the rainy season but it does not rain a lot in my opinion. :cool:

mach 84 12th Aug 2008 19:45

this years wet season is quite wet compared to the recent years,

tamie 12th Aug 2008 23:25

Oh yeah
let's talk about rain
It is not childish...
Not at all... :)

NVpilot 13th Aug 2008 01:50

I really wouldn't be too concerned about the rain or what model car to buy, most pilots are failing the evaluation, maybe some emphasis should be getting hired first. :rolleyes:

olepilot 13th Aug 2008 07:32

Wet season means that it rains, sometimes a lot like 60-70cm of water on the road. Airport closes etc. and then you take a taxi or wait until it passes.
Own car = nope

UALSIC 13th Aug 2008 14:54

NVpilot - what are the issues they are running into during the eval? :ouch:

olepilot 13th Aug 2008 16:24

Can be found earlier in this thread

Taylor01 14th Aug 2008 03:19

Acceptance
 
Just wondering what airplane the guys were on that are failing the evaluation. I just got an acceptance from Rishworth, and you are correct about the verification letter, but if you send a copy of your license you have to wonder why the need a letter also. Thx

varigflier 14th Aug 2008 17:44

For those of you flying in the States of applying using your FAA license, can't you tell them to check the FAA site for verification of your licence? The site tells whoever looks what license and ratings you have. That's one of the reasons for having it on the FAA site. Maybe I'm missing something??

ia1166 14th Aug 2008 23:55

A lot of qualified a320 operators have failed. Not knowing their way around the FCOM or QRH and not being able to fly raw data single engine in a 20kt crosswind to minima.

I think a lot of US operators have their own books. So if you have never seen an FCOM then you are pretty much buggered before you even get in the sim.

There is no chance of a half day intro to FCOM here so try to find some somewhere before you turn up.

Rain and cars. how about the recent attempt to make days off midnight to midnight GMT or local, depending on how it suits rostering (i'm not joking) and days off not in your home base.

Everyone is working hard here. It's exactly like i said earlier. 6 days on, 1 day off, unless someone wants to contradict me.

Jimmy Do Little 15th Aug 2008 04:34

Fact, most US operators create their own Books and Manuals. But, a competent A320 operator should be able to adapt to the Airbus FCOM and QRH without too much difficulty.

For the US (FAA) folks not familiar with them, it's really quite simple:

FCOM 1 - Systems Information. You probably studied this during Initial Ground Training towards your Type Rating.

FCOM 2 - Performance and Loading. Your FAA Dispatcher and Load planning department would create their manuals from this book.”

FCOM 3 - This is the operators manual. Contains the Normal, Abnormal, Emergency, SOP, and Supplementary procedures.

FCOM 4 - You'd know this one as the FMGS Training Manual.

QRH – Quick reference handbook, which you DO have in the FAA system.

At a minimum, review the “contents” pages. Then, you’ll be that much further ahead when you attend the evaluation. If you need them, feel free to IM me, and I’ll send you a generic set.


Next, your (FAA) Flight Operations Manual is broken into 4 parts and usually published as 4 separate books:

Part A – This is the FAA version of the FOM (contains Company Procedures, and data similar to FAR 121, 135, [some FAR 91] etc)

Part B – This consists of the FCOM data for any particular and specific fleet of aircraft.

Part C – This is the FAA route manual. Otherwise, your Jeppesen (or NOAA) chart set.

Part D – The Training Manual. It would include information from the FCTM (Flight Crew Training Manual – A320 Personal Trainer), content from the FCOM and the various SIM syllabus, testing standards, info from FAR 61, etc.


There is no chance of a half day intro to FCOM here so try to find some somewhere before you turn up.


Intro Complete!



can't you tell them to check the FAA site for verification of your licence?


A number of people have shown up in the past with forged documents. You can’t blame the company for taking extra steps in the interest of safety, and the reputation of their company.


how about the recent attempt to make days off midnight to midnight GMT or local, depending on how it suits rostering (i'm not joking) and days off not in your home base. Everyone is working hard here. It's exactly like i said earlier. 6 days on, 1 day off…


It’s not happening to everyone at VN Air. But, there does seem to be a parallel between the number of days worked, and the level of complaining by each respective pilot!


Remember, you have 6 weeks on, then 2 weeks off. (or 5 & 3, or 4 & 4) You won’t get that at Etihad, Emirates, Qatar, JetStar, or SQ. In fact, EK is 8 days off each month… regardless of what country you may be sleeping in during those 8 days!



Cars? Forget it! The cost is staggering. You can import your own car as a “Transferred Asset” but you’ll need a blood relative within VN Customs to make it happen. And, unless you were a NYC taxi driver in a former life, you wouldn’t survive on the streets. Taxis are cheap, and a lot less trouble than owning a car here. Find a good taxi driver, get his hand phone number, treat him with some respect, and you’ll have a loyal, dependable driver who will respond in minutes – at most any hour - for your entire time in Vietnam.


The site tells whoever looks what license and ratings you have. That's one of the reasons for having it on the FAA site. Maybe I'm missing something??


The trouble is that FAA licences are not compliant with ICAO accepted standards. VN issues licences that look like the ICAO document, where the FAA issues a document that looks like a “Credit Card”. It’s different; therefore it takes some extra steps to validate, as do the Brazilian licenses which also look like Credit Cards. (Before anyone says anything – I agree, the FAA makes it easy to check the validity – but, VN Air is not a US Air Carrier) Worse, you can find current licence validations for Deceased Pilots, so they don't place a lot of faith in that system.

Again, FAA guys needing a short briefing on the FCOM, feel free to IM me.


Fly safe….


ia1166 15th Aug 2008 06:41

Actually my friends in SQ are getting around 12-14 days at home every month, and 6 weeks leave a year. You might want to check your information.

Everyone who is already here has been knocked back when applying for 4/4 or 5/3. It would appear it's only applicable to the new joiners.

Dream Land 15th Aug 2008 11:20

New joiners are now being forced onto the 6/2.


but you’ll need a blood relative within VN Customs to make it happen.
Or a friend of blood relative will do...! :E

Dream Land 15th Aug 2008 11:44

By the way, if I understand this correctly, the USA is an ICAO compliant state, there are some FAA certificates that are not ICAO-compliant. They would be the new Sport Pilot certificate, the Recreational Pilot Certificate and an ATP certificate when the holder does not meet the ICAO experience requirements. All of these certificates will have a restriction placed on them that says they do not meet ICAO standards.

Waiting to be corrected. :\

confirm-finals? 15th Aug 2008 14:58

Any news on first officer 330 hiring? They were keen up to last month now silence.... Any info?

ia1166 15th Aug 2008 15:22

As far as the intro to FCOM, i really meant FCOM 3 and if you go into the sim, you should at least know that a double RA failure is in FCOM 3 and not the QRH. It's a bit more involved than a paragraph on PPRUNE.

Jimmy Do Little 15th Aug 2008 17:11


By the way, if I understand this correctly, the USA is an ICAO compliant state, there are some FAA certificates that are not ICAO-compliant. They would be the new Sport Pilot certificate, the Recreational Pilot Certificate and an ATP certificate when the holder does not meet the ICAO experience requirements. All of these certificates will have a restriction placed on them that says they do not meet ICAO standards.

Waiting to be corrected. http://static.pprune.org/forums/imag...ies/wibble.gif
I'm only refering to the format of the Certificate, not to the status of the US system. Hope this clears it up.

Jimmy Do Little 15th Aug 2008 17:30


Actually my friends in SQ are getting around 12-14 days at home every month, and 6 weeks leave a year. You might want to check your information.
If you’re certain that it's that good at SQ, and judging from your apparent feelings about VN Air from the numerous complaints that you’ve posted, maybe you should have one of your friends at SQ get you onboard with them. They are still recruiting!

Asia_flyer 16th Aug 2008 05:15


...As far as the intro to FCOM, i really meant FCOM 3 and if you go into the sim, you should at least know that a double RA failure is in FCOM 3 and not the QRH. It's a bit more involved than a paragraph on PPRUNE...
-- i made my way over to Asia a couple years back and had some trouble with my first sim eval for the same reasons talked about here. -- i grew up in the faa system and know where i find the answer in our manuals. -- if jimmy sent me the info that he post sooner, I’d of had a much easier time with my first evaluation. -- thanks for being a team player jimmy. -- comin' from the USA doesn't mean we're all stupid. our way is just different from some others. -- we do know what we're doin', and the cross reference that jimmy provided helps mend the gap. -- .ia1166.... maybe ya'll should take care riding up in your high saddle... ya never know when ya might fall off and land in a big ole pile o' horse crap! -- See ya'll.

jumpdrive 16th Aug 2008 12:21

heard 'bout the last report & saw a copy
of the number (high!) of failure in the screenings
for all, ATR, B777 & A320

UALSIC 17th Aug 2008 14:48

The FAA verification letter is on the FAA.gov site. You fill out a small form and they send it to you via e-mail.

PM me if you can't find where that is and I will walk you through it.

ADFS 20th Aug 2008 07:57

I could be interested for October
 
I have screening in Saigon in September and if I pass and am selected could be interested in renting...can anyone out there give me the lowdown on screening/interview/sim ride to be expected ? ia1166, I have enjoyed your posts and would appreciate any information. PM me if you would,thanx !!:ok:

bjlurzjet 20th Aug 2008 09:45

VN Screening
 
Who did you go to for your contract? Rishworth or Parc? How long after you applied did you get an interview? Good luck!:D

VNAv8r 21st Aug 2008 04:28

costs of things
 
A follow up on autos in VN... Do not drive a car here... DO NOT.

If a few of you are living very near each other than consider splitting the cost of having a car with driver at your disposal. Between 3 of you it might run 350 monthly... Scooter is an option, except its a trick to carry a flight bag on the bike in traffic in the rain... Save the scooter for off duty meanderings...

Just checked with the money boss and she says our all our monthly utilities> phone/cable tv and internet/ trash/ water/ elec ( a/c runs when home) about 3 million VND so call it $200usd to be safe... our place is about 75 sq metres

Shogun-16 21st Aug 2008 17:47

Basic Information
 
Dream Land,

I'm a retiring US Military pilot that have been corresponding with PARC and Rushworth about possible employment in Viet Nam. I recently completed the A320 type rating. They didn't mention the shortage of FOs, but wanted me to hurry and complete the paperwork. They didn't talk terms. What should I do? Is it worth the move? I have no commercial Airline experience, is this a plus?

Shogun-16

Dream Land 22nd Aug 2008 05:22


They didn't talk terms. What should I do? Is it work the move? I have no commercial Airline experience, is this a plus?

Shogun-16
Shogun, I would highly recommend accepting the job if it's offered, being ex- military you are no doubt aware of the fun place it is here in Asia, you will enjoy it here and life on the line is anything but dull, the crews you will fly with here are very experienced and you learn a lot.

Review the contract carefully, if there is something you're not happy with, be sure to try to work this out prior taking the job, after you are here there is no more negotiating power.

Not having any commercial experience is not a negative factor, maybe even a plus since you will come with an open mind, good luck!

D.L.

Shogun-16 24th Aug 2008 00:09

VN Flying
 
Thanks for the valuable information. I spent 12 of 26 years in Asia. Been to Viet Nam several times as recent as this Spring. I'm just trying to get in front of the bow wave. Dream Land and Starskate, I trust I'll be having a few private conversations with you over the next 90 days.

Shogun-16

stardustcologne 24th Aug 2008 15:46

I didn't reply here for a long time because I still don't have any new information.
But I would bet on there were more posts recently, they made me kind of upset. They are gone. Deleted?
Someone told here in this thread that guys are jumping into screening and line training after 2 to 3 weeks of applying. After this time one shoud suggest he was not accepted by VAC.

What is VAC looking for? They obviously take applicants with just a little experience on A320 and obviously without Airbus-procedure knowledge (or how shall I interprete recent conversation here). And there are still applicants with several thousand of hours on type and doing nothing else than Airbus-procedures who are not invited.

But maybe I get it wrong, please don't hesitate to correct me.
Maybe there are different pilots pools with different agencies, I don't know. Or it is just a bad luck.
Is someone hired via Rishworth at all? I guess all the American applicants come via Parc...

Does anybody know if there are screenings beyond September?

Dream Land 25th Aug 2008 02:56


Someone told here in this thread that guys are jumping into screening and line training after 2 to 3 weeks of applying.
I work with many applicants and lately I am not aware of anyone receiving an invitation within the first four weeks.



Is someone hired via Rishworth at all? I guess all the American applicants come via Parc...
Pilots from Rishworth Aviation in ground school now, more arriving next week that work for Rishworth, don't believe everything you hear.

D.L.

flyboy320 25th Aug 2008 08:56

@stardust:

Initially you are only dealing with the headhunters and not with Vietnam Airlines; and these guys know about Aviation as much as my grandma who told me once not to fly to high and to fast because it might be dangerous.

So if you put in your application as type A320/A330 they might not find a "Airbus 320330" in ther database and you are out. You are dealing with a bunch of shortsighted laywers....i am quite sure that VNA will still need a lot of pilots in the future.

CORNELIO 25th Aug 2008 12:42

Vietnam Airlines Aircraft Maintenance Jobs
 
Hello Everyone,

I am new to this website. I am looking for a position as a Ground Maintenance Engineer with Vietnam Airlines or any other carrier. I have a B2 license rated on ATR and A320 with 15 years experience. I may get laid off soon. I am not exactly sure where to post this reply. I have tried many other job sites but can't seem to find a suitable position. Can anyone please guide me in the right direction?

Thanks,

Francisco.

UALSIC 25th Aug 2008 17:22

Is it "appropriate" to put packages together from BOTH Rishworth and PARC for the Vietnam Air contract and go with the first interview or do you have to pick one and hope for the best?

How does Vietnam Air view this practice?


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