Hi!
Please, Dreamland or any other with some information:
What about changing the fleet after some time? Is a crossrating possible?
How many foreign pilots are there in ratio of Vietnamese (in A330 fleet)?

No foreign pilots on the A330, just Vietnamese Nationals that were CCQ'd from A320. Yes it is possible to change fleets, currently expats have transitioned from ATR to A320, 767 to 777, soon 777 to A320. Generally speaking, there must be a need by the fleet and you must be in good standing with the system chief pilot. Also, you will have to pay for the course.

Are they hiring expats directly into the 777?

No foreign pilots on A330? There is a job offer with Rishworth... and I assume that there would be an extention or even a permanent position later on, maybe.
The job description told about limited destinations for A330, short and medium range. To change to long-haul again would mean to change fleet...
Actually I like the A330, but changing to something new can be very interesting.
I would like to stay there for a longer period. I think I have to hurry up then.

We will take delivery soon on two new A330's, there are no foreigners now but I'm sure they will hire some eventually, yes I believe they are hiring into the 777.

on the 777 they need F/O's, as they will be upgrading some of the local first officers soon.

Agencies for VAC
 

i've been reading a couple of comments on the agencies that handle the VAC contracts.

Parc and Rishworth are the two that i keep hearing , but i have yet to hear about Euro- pacific .

i'm going with Euro pacific and was wondering has anyone heard anything negative about this agency? as there is no mention of them on Pprune.

i'm very interested in the 4 wks on 4 wks off that they have to offer .. anyone on that current condition ? and how is it working out ?

thanks

there is one portuguese captain on the A330 for more than one year already, he was flying the A/C before in another company.

Only foreigners in the 330 program are trainers to start the program to begin with, no line pilots I'm afraid. Euro-Pacific is one of the four agencies operating here, 4/4 is one of the brand new schedules that have just become available.

D.L.

Well, then they might be looking for the contract pilots (A330 Cpts and F/O) from abroad to fill the gap until they hired or trained enough own pilots? Hm. Thought there might be a renewable contract or even a permanent position after a while like I used to know it from other contracts.

4 agencies ??? i thought only Parc , Rish and Euro had the VAC contracts ?? hm,

But D.L have you heard anything about euro pacific in particular ? what's this bunch like ? what's their rep with holding up deals etc ? coz seriously , there are just no posts about these fellas at all anywhere .

having said that , i guess they can't be that bad since i haven't heard anything about them ,, good or bad .

Contracts are almost identical, there is one more agency that can be accessed via the Vietnam Airlines web site, this company has been supplying employees for the company for several years, now pilots too. Euro-Pacific employs several pilots here, they carry the Ace Insurance policy.

thanks D.L

judging from the reply , i guess there aren't too many negative feedback about Euro ...

but also not so many positive feedbacks about euro pacific, they might have a good package for health insurance etc, but concerning salary they are always a bit behind, just a bit, but 200.- a month is finally 2400.- a yaer and 12000.- at the end of a 5 year contract.

hm , interesting .. no so in this case , as i've compared all 3 agencies and euro pacific is slightly ahead in this partcular VAC contract.

they are about $100 per month more , not much as you said ..

more concerned about reputation towards pilots , and how euro pacific treats them .

maybe they are ahead now, but they have the minority of the contracts in vietnam, most of the people are with parc and rishworth. euro folks are the guys comimg from 767 to 777 about 3 years ago, if you ask some of them about their opinion, they sound not so happy at all. however this is with all contract companies here, every of them wants to have a slice of the cake, as more contract pilots they have placed here as bigger is their revenue. is about 15% of your salary!

You said it's with all contract companies there. I think it is with all contracts anywhere. And even when you have a permanent position without contract company between you and your salary you will allways find enough reasons to grumble around. This contract doesn't sound too bad. But you have to know what you are doing...

hey Stardust,

whatya mean you have to know what you are doing ?? are there some tricks and traps that go along with these contracts ?

i thought that it was quite clear cut .. especially when i compare the VAC contracts with all 3 agencies .

they all seem quite similar in salary and health insurance etc .
all there is , is deciding on which agency is the best out ofthe 3 .

do share ....

thanks

I know that the BUPA u get from Parc is better than Rish. Especially if u r going to pay for the family.

I know that I have not had any problems with Parc for 3 contracts, on the contrary.

I heard some bad stories about another agency.

Take it 4 what it's worth.

Travelwell...,
oh no, I didn't think about tricks and traps like this now, I don't refuse sharing infos (I certainly don't have more than you do).
Just working for a company with a contract (in case it would be your first time) sometimes means that you have to think about so many details for your own. I am sure Park is one of the better contract companies. But most of you out here know this quite better than me.
As I am always used to have own ensurances I didn't care for these which a contract company might offer for you. Up to now I worked for a smaller one and I had to care for really everything myself - this made things sometimes annoying. And in the end it was not a very fulfilling job regarding the monetary benefits inspite working for this airline was fun. And I met young fellows who thought it is a quick and easy job, but some were worn out after a while because they didn't evaluate all the accompanying factors of such a job - especially when it is only for 6 or twelve months.
But as you say here in this thread: I think the job offer for VAC is a quite good one, for myself the Rishworth one would be fine for me - not because I think they are so much better than the others but they offer a job on the type which I am looking for. Thats all.

thanks Stardust ,

i'll stick with Euro pacific as i spoke with one of the guys there, an ex line capt and he seems to know what he was talking about and the fact that i'm talking with someone who use to be in that field makes more sense than talking with some lady in Parc who is in charge of the VAC contract who really doesn't know exactly what you're trying to explain etc.

if a particular broker fits your need guys
like some said earlier,
well then go ahead with that one
but like evrywhere else with this agencies
once you are here
its the same thing
it doesnt matter if you are with any of the 4 agencies
theyll treat you equal
which is
they forget about you being here
oh yes, you get paid on time
but thats it
holidays and tickets and simulator
all of that its with the locals
like any other place
the only thing the agencies whant
is they pice of the cake
as simple as that
oh & by the way ****worth changed its insurance company
its now some insurer called Vero................
they claim its member of ISOS , blablabla
any way thought you should know

c ya

Same same Rishworth Aviation. :bored:

like i told U before
they will send 1987276365376543 emails
and 176524 phone calls
...................before you sign !!!!

then


by magic they disappear

same with all agencies, or broker, call it whatever
theyre useless
just get paid the rest is with roster , flight crew division here
& mrs Trang for the tickets back home

the rest is B.S.

if you've been here a while you'll realise how much better Parc is. pretty much everyone will confirm this.

lowering hours requirements
 

Hi guys,
I've been told by one of the contractors that Vietnam may soon lower their total hours requirements for F/O positions, and maybe even increase the pay.
Anyone with more info about all this?

Thanks, and safe flying.

I have been told that too........ in october 2007!
No response, reply or any sound yet.

777 capt
 

Hi all,anyone know what they pay 777 capts,also can someone explain the hiring process including interview/sim/med evaluation,still on the fence about applying so any info would be greatly appreciated,thanks in advance....Rocketman

G'day fellas,
little help sought here.First off, if I could find an engineers thread on pprune I would normally start there,but the fact is I can't find one.

So here goes. I am an avionics lame with a new gen rating currently working at QF and am fed up with this mob. Time to take the plunge and do some connie work.

Could have an opportunity to move to Hanoi shortly with a new startup company running A320's and 737NG'S.

Do any of you talk to aussie/brit expat Lames about thier conditions both at work and in life in general for them in vietnam/hanoi etc. ???

Also keen to find out what some of their wives/girlfriends think about thier move there.

Expat schooling and fees,what is the quality of education like for the littlens ????

Lastly now,taxation in Vietnam,any info at all fellas ???

Thanks all in advance.

Greetings to all,

Concerning the recent upgrades to CAP on the 320, does anyone know what contract agencies the upgraded FOs were working for? PARC is advertising that some of their guys got upgraded but I have not seen any of the other agencies mentioning this.

Basically, are all the FOs treated equal in terms of upgrade opportunities no matter who they are contracted with?

How many pilots is VNA hiring a month?

this is replying to rocketman questions..

VAC has stopped looking for Capts on the 777 for the mean time and is only interested in filling their f/o needs.

both from Parc and Euro pacific .

Does anyone know the tax rate for Vietnam? Did a quick search online and found it stood at 35%...

Is that contract offered by Rishworth and Parc's before or after tax?

no expat pays tax over here man
otherwise no one will come here to give away what.....35% je je

As far as I know it is after tax, both.

Does anybody know something about hiring F/O on A330?

Someone from over there told me that there isn't really any need for foreign A330 F/Os but there is still a contract offer...
Well, I won't be so funny and give notice here to get the answer there "hmm, NOW we stopped hiring". Parc did already. They did already withdraw their offer for A330 F/O "sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused to you" :hmm:

tax is paid by the airline. It's in the contract. What you get on the contract is what you get. no deductions. Actually all expats here do pay tax. Everyone i know. teachers, lawyers doctors. Everyone. The contract states all taxes are paid by the company. In reality though you can't get any proof of this so if you need to show the tax office at home any hard evidence other than your contract, well you can't. A few pilots have been caught out by this. I think the canadians and americans inparticular.

upgrades are not dependant on the contract company. However i do know that PARC are helping their guys with the 15K bond. I'm not sure RAL are helping their guys at all.

We all got a 200 dollar payrise in May. Everyone. The PARC guys were paid this right from the get go. The RAL guys have been told that to get their raise thay will need to sign a 5 year contract. So the PARC chaps are now on more money. It's your choice who you sign with. I'm just passing on some useful ifo that may help you.

Ya right, Rishworth helping their pilots :yuk:, Rishworth threatens their pilots, helping is not in their vocabulary, Parc Aviation is going out of their way by giving the guys a couple of months to get the bond together. :D Easy choice to make.

You are fully right NVpilot: Rishworth threatens pilots to stop training when you can´t come up with your paperwork for a bond right away. There is no help what for ever.

Has RAl been threatening? I've not heard that and i'd find it very hard to believe. On the whole they're nice to deal with as are Parc. If you have any facts please lets hear them.

As far as i'm concerned, and i have worked for both, they offer a different package so you have to look closely at each and decide which suits you better. The insurances offered differ in a lot of ways and they both have good points and bad points Unfortunatley this requires a bit of research and a basic ability to read english.

As far as tax goes, this also requires a basic ability to read the contract before you sign it. And understand it. Vietnam Airlines pays all your tax liabilities for you. If you come from a first world country and have to show your home IRS that tax has been paid then you need to have a close look at this. The Canadians, Americans, Germans i think and certainly the Australians all have to be careful to ensure they don't have a tax liability at home. Even more so for the australians since jetstar rocked up. Vietnam is now on the tax office radar.

Don't be so naive to think that parc/ral/airline management and the irs i should expect don't read this forum. So please lets hear some facts and not idle slander. Rishworth threatened me followed by a bunch of smilies belongs in a adolescent chat room. Surely it's normal to provide a bond before training starts. PARC are providing the bond first and getting their pilots to pay them back. If RAL don't want to do this then your argument is with VAC, not RAL.

Question about travel benefits.
So you get ID90 and ID75 tickets only on VN network. Do you get any other ID's on other carriers? Trying to figure out what would be the best way to get to US and back.Anything with American Airlines?
Another question about health benefits. I know there are some differences between the two contracts, but on average how much extra do you pay for the family.
Thanks