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Old 8th Sep 2021, 10:52
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Originally Posted by Lucifer786 View Post
What aircraft?
A320 sir~~
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Lucifer786 View Post
No salary until you start flying on line. And I know of some colleagues who were ‘hired’ in March 2021 with signed contracts and have yet not done their sim assessments !! Getting into VN physically is something of a dream for them at this point in time. And AFTER they get into VN they will have at least 4-6 weeks minimum before they can even think of touching a real airplane ( quarantine, ground classes, medicals, practicals etc etc ).
Easily expect November before they are online. That’s a cool but frustrating 9 months from date of hire to first salary cheque!!
And that too a drastically reduced salary. Less than 60% of the pre pandemic levels.
If you ask me personally, stay away for now. Once contracted you will be tied down for 3 years minimum.
Lots and lots of great opportunities just around the corner. Just wait for a bit …
Thanks, i almost leave may current employeer for this opportunity
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 02:03
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Everything Originally Posted by Lucifer786
IS TRUE TO THE DOT. THIS IS FOR 787 guys there.

I know a couple of ex Norwegian guys who joined in Apr 2021. They just got to Hanoi.. No SALARY STILL AND you need to pay your own rent and daily expenses. Best of ALL, the contract they first signed isn't the contract they are now told to sign. I don't think this group are taking it up...

FAIR WARNING, STAY AWAY FROM BAV!!!


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Thanks, i almost leave may current employeer for this opportunity
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 11:21
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Originally Posted by Celestar56 View Post
Everything Originally Posted by Lucifer786
IS TRUE TO THE DOT. THIS IS FOR 787 guys there.

I know a couple of ex Norwegian guys who joined in Apr 2021. They just got to Hanoi.. No SALARY STILL AND you need to pay your own rent and daily expenses. Best of ALL, the contract they first signed isn't the contract they are now told to sign. I don't think this group are taking it up...

FAIR WARNING, STAY AWAY FROM BAV!!!
I stand to completely concur. The original contract letter that was mutually signed by most pilots and then countersigned by their HR Director and ‘red stamped’ by Bamboo before their ‘official on boarding’ dates equated to about 10,500 USD PM for Boeing Captains before tax for 50 hours of flying.This by itself is about 50-60% market rate.
The one being asked to sign now, once these pilots are in the country and cannot leave due border restrictions and lockdowns, is about 70% of the contract already signed …!!
BAV logic is that we paid for your hotel quarantine, your sim check and your tickets to Hanoi. So now you are here, you need to pay us back !
And this contract incidentally, will be valid for 3 years of slavery in VN.
😳
Stay away is all I can say. Goal posts are shifted every week to suit the company’s interests. And you are slowly but surely tied down to submit with no chance of leaving physically or contractually.
Every heard of Hôtel California … 🙄
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 20:13
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Originally Posted by Alalf001 View Post
Hi everybody,

I sent my cv and other documents, I did my test for them and now I am waiting for the Skype interview.
any suggestions?
Hi !
I saw you have said that you did the test for bamboo. can you give me some tips for the exam? and is there any software or site which i can practice the test?

thank you !
Harith
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 21:43
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Originally Posted by HarithA320 View Post
Hi !
I saw you have said that you did the test for bamboo. can you give me some tips for the exam? and is there any software or site which i can practice the test?

thank you !
Harith
You can start preparing by lubricating your backside. It’s going to be painful otherwise.
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Old 12th Sep 2021, 00:40
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Originally Posted by Lucifer786 View Post
I stand to completely concur. The original contract letter that was mutually signed by most pilots and then countersigned by their HR Director and ‘red stamped’ by Bamboo before their ‘official on boarding’ dates equated to about 10,500 USD PM for Boeing Captains before tax for 50 hours of flying.This by itself is about 50-60% market rate.
The one being asked to sign now, once these pilots are in the country and cannot leave due border restrictions and lockdowns, is about 70% of the contract already signed …!!
BAV logic is that we paid for your hotel quarantine, your sim check and your tickets to Hanoi. So now you are here, you need to pay us back !
And this contract incidentally, will be valid for 3 years of slavery in VN.
😳
Stay away is all I can say. Goal posts are shifted every week to suit the company’s interests. And you are slowly but surely tied down to submit with no chance of leaving physically or contractually.
Every heard of Hôtel California … 🙄
no chance of leaving physically or contractually.??????????????

seriously fake news going on here. I can fly back to the UK anytime I like. And its cheap too. Many guys I know have taken 3 or 4 months unpaid to go home for a while. Its easy as. Qatar fly nearly everywhere.

The only pilots who might be restricted in leaving are Aus and NZ due to their own country restrictions. Not Vietnam.

To be fair to Bamboo, Vietnam in Apr21 and Jul 21 and now Sep21 is a totally different environment for aviation. If you signed a contract that stated you would not get paid until completion of line training and went to a country without a high vaccination rate in the middle of a global pandemic then you must have appreciated there is some risk involved. Bamboo do not even have a Sim in Vietnam. There are no flights at present, no training facilities are open. There is no training going on at all and a lot of pilots are not working.

I am hopeful for the future, now Jan 22 we have been told. In the meantime we are all sitting at home. The basic is low for everyone.

Take it or leave it. Go home or stay. Your choice. Its the same for everyone, local or expat. Why would new joiners be paid anything?
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Old 12th Sep 2021, 05:23
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10,500 USD PM for Boeing Captains before tax for 50 hours of flying.This by itself is about 50-60% market rate.

Not current market rate.

Plenty of 787 drivers hanging around on zero money
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 14:37
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Can anyone confirm if A320 guys have been called up for an actual Skype interview (interview, not the test) who haven't actually flown the aircraft in more than 12 months?
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Old 14th Sep 2021, 02:36
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
no chance of leaving physically or contractually.??????????????

seriously fake news going on here. I can fly back to the UK anytime I like. And its cheap too. Many guys I know have taken 3 or 4 months unpaid to go home for a while. Its easy as. Qatar fly nearly everywhere.

The only pilots who might be restricted in leaving are Aus and NZ due to their own country restrictions. Not Vietnam.

To be fair to Bamboo, Vietnam in Apr21 and Jul 21 and now Sep21 is a totally different environment for aviation. If you signed a contract that stated you would not get paid until completion of line training and went to a country without a high vaccination rate in the middle of a global pandemic then you must have appreciated there is some risk involved. Bamboo do not even have a Sim in Vietnam. There are no flights at present, no training facilities are open. There is no training going on at all and a lot of pilots are not working.

I am hopeful for the future, now Jan 22 we have been told. In the meantime we are all sitting at home. The basic is low for everyone.

Take it or leave it. Go home or stay. Your choice. Its the same for everyone, local or expat. Why would new joiners be paid anything?
Quite frankly I don’t know of a single pilot who has been free to leave from and return to VN without the overbearing restrictions of extensive quarantines and multiple invasive PCNR checks. Notwithstanding the fact that VN has been in the red list since last 6 months and only recently moved to amber temporarily.
So if you know someone who’s moving across international borders then it’s great. I don’t.
And how do you suppose one jumps a contract and bond after signing and accepting it.
My point was that the odds were stacking up against leaving the country and or the company due to unfair labor practicing. And now they were dangerously high.
10.5K USD PM is approx 60% pre covid levels I believe.
Just clarifications that’s all.
Now off to my pinacolada … 🍹
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Old 14th Sep 2021, 05:20
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Originally Posted by Lucifer786 View Post
Quite frankly I don’t know of a single pilot who has been free to leave from and return to VN without the overbearing restrictions of extensive quarantines and multiple invasive PCNR checks. Notwithstanding the fact that VN has been in the red list since last 6 months and only recently moved to amber temporarily.
So if you know someone who’s moving across international borders then it’s great. I don’t.
And how do you suppose one jumps a contract and bond after signing and accepting it.
My point was that the odds were stacking up against leaving the country and or the company due to unfair labor practicing. And now they were dangerously high.
10.5K USD PM is approx 60% pre covid levels I believe.
Just clarifications that’s all.
Now off to my pinacolada … 🍹
Me. I did, so did quite a few other VN pilots. There are quite a few I know who have gone back home as recently last month and will return in a couple of months. Germany to be specific. Also France 2 months ago. Portugal 3 months ago and was supposed to return but has extended his LWOP. Bulgarian went in May with permission to return. A 321 skipper I know is leaving 1/10 for 3 to 4 months to see his family. All with permission and allowed to return. One Australian came back last July, renewed his license, and went back to Australia. He is now back here again.

Still need to fulfill quarantine requirements on return at your own expense. But you need to do just to go on holiday these days. It is down to 1 week now for double vax geniuses. Non vaxxed Einsteins will not get far.

My point is if you sign a contract you need to read it carefully. Maybe consider a worse case scenario. Sounds to me like people are just signing anything. I know a 320 pilot who recently refused a contract unless he was paid in full from day 1. He got what he wanted.

Maybe negotiate. Maybe be careful what you sign up for. I am sure a bond to cover quarantine until you complete training was on the contract. As was no salary until line check. Maybe read these things and realize it may all go horrible wrong. Maybe not just see the promise of 10500 a month and read the contract in full.


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Old 14th Sep 2021, 05:24
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10.5K USD PM is approx 60% pre covid levels I believe.

Yeah maybe in China. And it is dependent on amount of work, leave etc etc.

And its not market rate anymore.
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Old 15th Sep 2021, 15:06
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Me. I did, so did quite a few other VN pilots. There are quite a few I know who have gone back home as recently last month and will return in a couple of months. Germany to be specific. Also France 2 months ago. Portugal 3 months ago and was supposed to return but has extended his LWOP. Bulgarian went in May with permission to return. A 321 skipper I know is leaving 1/10 for 3 to 4 months to see his family. All with permission and allowed to return. One Australian came back last July, renewed his license, and went back to Australia. He is now back here again.
I find this hard to swallow being one of the pilots who has not been allowed to re-enter the country or the airline since the pandemic began, and has not flown since FEB 2020. All those examples are they pilots from VNA?
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 09:34
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Not so much id say. Plenty of VNA skippers sitting at home since FEB2020 waiting to return
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 15:45
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Originally Posted by ni si ni no View Post
Not so much id say. Plenty of VNA skippers sitting at home since FEB2020 waiting to return
Is that true. I thought VNA guys were more or less keeping at least their currency and recency by flying every month at the very least.
What’s with the over hyped USA flights from VN via Bamboo. Shouldn’t that take away a whole lot of crews. I assume the excess pilots would come from VNA to BVA ..
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 17:07
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Originally Posted by Lucifer786 View Post
Is that true. I thought VNA guys were more or less keeping at least their currency and recency by flying every month at the very least.
What’s with the over hyped USA flights from VN via Bamboo. Shouldn’t that take away a whole lot of crews. I assume the excess pilots would come from VNA to BVA ..
Virtually all the VNA expats have been suspended without pay for the last 18 months, and therefore had to return to our home countries in order to find work. A small number of them, mostly widebody skips and narrowbody instructor / examiners, were able to stay employed, on vastly reduced salary
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Luke SkyToddler View Post
Virtually all the VNA expats have been suspended without pay for the last 18 months, and therefore had to return to our home countries in order to find work. A small number of them, mostly widebody skips and narrowbody instructor / examiners, were able to stay employed, on vastly reduced salary
Thats very very interesting … 🤔
To know that wide body skips were retained over narrow body drivers. Especially in these uncertain international travel times … 🤨
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 07:16
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
no chance of leaving physically or contractually.??????????????

seriously fake news going on here. I can fly back to the UK anytime I like. And its cheap too. Many guys I know have taken 3 or 4 months unpaid to go home for a while. Its easy as. Qatar fly nearly everywhere.

The only pilots who might be restricted in leaving are Aus and NZ due to their own country restrictions. Not Vietnam.

To be fair to Bamboo, Vietnam in Apr21 and Jul 21 and now Sep21 is a totally different environment for aviation. If you signed a contract that stated you would not get paid until completion of line training and went to a country without a high vaccination rate in the middle of a global pandemic then you must have appreciated there is some risk involved. Bamboo do not even have a Sim in Vietnam. There are no flights at present, no training facilities are open. There is no training going on at all and a lot of pilots are not working.

I am hopeful for the future, now Jan 22 we have been told. In the meantime we are all sitting at home. The basic is low for everyone.

Take it or leave it. Go home or stay. Your choice. Its the same for everyone, local or expat. Why would new joiners be paid anything?
One I can confirm is they do 787 simulator at Boeing Flight Service in Singapore.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 20:29
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Originally Posted by Lucifer786 View Post
Thats very very interesting … 🤔
To know that wide body skips were retained over narrow body drivers. Especially in these uncertain international travel times … 🤨
Simple explanation, a bunch of 350s got their seats taken out and converted to cargo. And the pilots have to quarantine for 3 weeks after every flight. So they still needed pilots, even though everybody was only getting one or two flights a month.

Everyone's got their own circumstances, some pilots have got VNese wives and kids, so of course they needed to stay in VN, even under the drastically reduced salary. And the company allowed them to do so, as much as possible. I've got no problem with that
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 15:38
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Originally Posted by Alalf001 View Post
Hi everybody,

I sent my cv and other documents, I did my test for them and now I am waiting for the Skype interview.
any suggestions?
Same here. I did the written test, still waiting for the skype technical interview.
If you send me a private message with your email, I can share with you some study material I have.
Cheers
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