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IndiGo's 'earn as you learn' to train pilots - The Times of India
NEW DELHI: Low cost carrier (LCC) IndiGo has decided to adopt an "earn as you learn" policy to train pilots for meeting its huge requirements as the airline is scheduled to get one plane a month for the next 13 years. The airline currently has 39 aircraft in its fleet and another 140 will be inducted by 2024, requiring an additional 800-900 co-pilots and as many commanders.
To meet its co-pilot requirement, the LCC has tied up with a flying school formed jointly by Airports Authority of India and global aviation training biggie CAE at Gondia, Maharashtra, where it plans to churn out 50-60 co-pilots and then have them typerated on the Airbus A-320 every year. Airline president Aditya Ghosh said total cost of the 17-month programme (about Rs 45lakh, to be paid in phases) will be much lower than the expense incurred by those going out to get the commercial pilot licence (CPL) and then getting a type rating.
"We will be paying chosen candidates Rs 15,000 per month during the CPL training and then Rs 25,000 monthly while they are getting typerated. The selected candidates, who can be graduates from any stream but need to have passed out of Class 12 with physics and maths, will get a letter of intent from us that will help them get loans. Once they finish training and clear all exams, they will join us as junior co-pilot" Ghosh said. Junior co-pilot earns about Rs 75,000 a month, a figure that doubles after a year when one become co-pilot.
He said monthly stipends could help the trainees pay the loan instalments as all other costs are covered in the fee.
Why only for graduates??
NEW DELHI: Low cost carrier (LCC) IndiGo has decided to adopt an "earn as you learn" policy to train pilots for meeting its huge requirements as the airline is scheduled to get one plane a month for the next 13 years. The airline currently has 39 aircraft in its fleet and another 140 will be inducted by 2024, requiring an additional 800-900 co-pilots and as many commanders.
To meet its co-pilot requirement, the LCC has tied up with a flying school formed jointly by Airports Authority of India and global aviation training biggie CAE at Gondia, Maharashtra, where it plans to churn out 50-60 co-pilots and then have them typerated on the Airbus A-320 every year. Airline president Aditya Ghosh said total cost of the 17-month programme (about Rs 45lakh, to be paid in phases) will be much lower than the expense incurred by those going out to get the commercial pilot licence (CPL) and then getting a type rating.
"We will be paying chosen candidates Rs 15,000 per month during the CPL training and then Rs 25,000 monthly while they are getting typerated. The selected candidates, who can be graduates from any stream but need to have passed out of Class 12 with physics and maths, will get a letter of intent from us that will help them get loans. Once they finish training and clear all exams, they will join us as junior co-pilot" Ghosh said. Junior co-pilot earns about Rs 75,000 a month, a figure that doubles after a year when one become co-pilot.
He said monthly stipends could help the trainees pay the loan instalments as all other costs are covered in the fee.
Why only for graduates??
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its only a way to bring more business to CAE. Indigo is entitled for free type rating for certain number of pilots per new a/c. And they say paying 45 lakhs is the cheapest way to get a CPL and then a TR on 320. lol!!!
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Mostly the low cost airlines are the ones who degrading this industry, they are such a virus....
45 lacs is very high, but at least you are getting a job and what is going to happen with the unemployed pilots, now only rich guys gonna get the jobs...
45 lacs is very high, but at least you are getting a job and what is going to happen with the unemployed pilots, now only rich guys gonna get the jobs...
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Expensive!?!? a CPL + Type will cost almost the same! isnt it? Moreover, one gets paid during the initialy training and the rating...not a bad deal if you ask me....
btw, LCC are the ones making money, paying employees/AAI/Oil companies/others on time! most of the LCCs in India are well run airlines....dunno how they are degrading the industry.....most immature comments I have seen on the forum.....
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btw, LCC are the ones making money, paying employees/AAI/Oil companies/others on time! most of the LCCs in India are well run airlines....dunno how they are degrading the industry.....most immature comments I have seen on the forum.....
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well i dont know what cpl you might have done, but definately no cpl plus type rating i know of costs you 45 lakhs that is seriously a ludicrous figure its clearly a money making racket.
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CPL - 22 to 24 Lakhs (including all expenses)
Type Rating - 17 Lakhs (including all expenses)
Salary of 15,000 for 14 months approx 2.1L
Salary of 25,000 for 3 months 75,000
Do your math...
Type Rating - 17 Lakhs (including all expenses)
Salary of 15,000 for 14 months approx 2.1L
Salary of 25,000 for 3 months 75,000
Do your math...
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When some one goes for CADET program...the Sponsor ( Indigo ) would get discount by providing Trainer ( CAE ) bulk of candidates which brings total cost per pilot for sponsor down by minimum 10% taking fluctuations of Fuel and Instructor salaries.
Note : Sponsor always pays minimum of 50% of total accumulated cost of training but here Sponsor pays nothing.
Now for 45 lakhs - if 4 installments made.
1. 12 lakhs
2. 12 lakhs
3. 10 lakhs
4. 9 lakhs
Now considering the 17 month program for CPL + TR.
You give each installments after a gap pf 3 months - Total money paid in 12 months .
So 45 lakhs an year at 12 % will give - 5 lakhs 40 thousand.
Now being paid 15000 thousand for 14 months -2 lakhs 10 thousand.
Now being paid 25000 thousand for 3 months -75 thousand
Total Stipend ( Not salary ) paid by Indigo -2 lakhs 85 thousand.
Total money earned by Indigo on 45 lakhs per Cadet@12 %/year -5 laks 40thousand.
Now total money discounted on training by Indigo taking account of 10 % discount ( Which is way less than Actual Discount Airlines gets from Bulk Orders- Yes CADETS are Commodities for Indigo ) = 4.5 lakhs
Indigo will be earning 4.5 lakhs per student on Discounts ....now TOP it up with 12 % earned on 45 lakhs( Minus Stipend paid ) gives you total accumulated profit of - 7 lakhs 5 thousand.
So Indigo will be Earning that amount from each candidate....if some degrading of percentage wise is done on per year interest or discount ( I doubt on Discount ).....then still they will be making an BOUNTY of more than 5 lakhs - 10990 $ @ 45.50 Forex Rate.
Now do your maths who will gain from it.
Now consider this - CAE is doing 320 TR assessment for INDIGO and in its letter of assessment ,CAE clearly states that this program does not warrant JOB .....it is an mere Intent of Indigo to hire you if you full fill laid down norms ( SIM check and interview rides ).
Will this Cadet program come without any Riders considering how Indigo happens to place small un noticable statements that can haunt candidate later on?
The answer is NO.......not a single fellow will consider himself getting HAUNTED because with his " WAY ABOVE ALL " attitude he can not think anything going wrong ......when he got a News Paper clipping saying " Indigo Cadet Program- Pay 45 lakhs and get a Job ......".........that is same like few years ago when " Do CPL in 10 months earn 24 lakhs per year "ADVERTS published on almost all National Newspapers which has created GLUT of Pilots right now....
Think Twice before Blinking thrice after being CONNED by Airlines.
Do not get FOOLED by lure of JOB.....Same thing happen in 2006 when SPICEJET took 150 people as CADETS and now see the plight of those Cadet Pilots.....
CPL cost - 25 Lakhs with lodging ( Max )
TR on 320 - 14 Lakhs ( Max )
Total Cost - 39 Lakhs
Man whoso ever said This CADET thing is good and value for money needs to HIDE because they cant do basic MATHEMATICS.
Note : Sponsor always pays minimum of 50% of total accumulated cost of training but here Sponsor pays nothing.
Now for 45 lakhs - if 4 installments made.
1. 12 lakhs
2. 12 lakhs
3. 10 lakhs
4. 9 lakhs
Now considering the 17 month program for CPL + TR.
You give each installments after a gap pf 3 months - Total money paid in 12 months .
So 45 lakhs an year at 12 % will give - 5 lakhs 40 thousand.
Now being paid 15000 thousand for 14 months -2 lakhs 10 thousand.
Now being paid 25000 thousand for 3 months -75 thousand
Total Stipend ( Not salary ) paid by Indigo -2 lakhs 85 thousand.
Total money earned by Indigo on 45 lakhs per Cadet@12 %/year -5 laks 40thousand.
Now total money discounted on training by Indigo taking account of 10 % discount ( Which is way less than Actual Discount Airlines gets from Bulk Orders- Yes CADETS are Commodities for Indigo ) = 4.5 lakhs
Indigo will be earning 4.5 lakhs per student on Discounts ....now TOP it up with 12 % earned on 45 lakhs( Minus Stipend paid ) gives you total accumulated profit of - 7 lakhs 5 thousand.
So Indigo will be Earning that amount from each candidate....if some degrading of percentage wise is done on per year interest or discount ( I doubt on Discount ).....then still they will be making an BOUNTY of more than 5 lakhs - 10990 $ @ 45.50 Forex Rate.
Now do your maths who will gain from it.
Now consider this - CAE is doing 320 TR assessment for INDIGO and in its letter of assessment ,CAE clearly states that this program does not warrant JOB .....it is an mere Intent of Indigo to hire you if you full fill laid down norms ( SIM check and interview rides ).
Will this Cadet program come without any Riders considering how Indigo happens to place small un noticable statements that can haunt candidate later on?
The answer is NO.......not a single fellow will consider himself getting HAUNTED because with his " WAY ABOVE ALL " attitude he can not think anything going wrong ......when he got a News Paper clipping saying " Indigo Cadet Program- Pay 45 lakhs and get a Job ......".........that is same like few years ago when " Do CPL in 10 months earn 24 lakhs per year "ADVERTS published on almost all National Newspapers which has created GLUT of Pilots right now....
Think Twice before Blinking thrice after being CONNED by Airlines.
Do not get FOOLED by lure of JOB.....Same thing happen in 2006 when SPICEJET took 150 people as CADETS and now see the plight of those Cadet Pilots.....
CPL cost - 25 Lakhs with lodging ( Max )
TR on 320 - 14 Lakhs ( Max )
Total Cost - 39 Lakhs
Man whoso ever said This CADET thing is good and value for money needs to HIDE because they cant do basic MATHEMATICS.
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@Johnny you just hit the nail right on 
not saying you did the figures accurately but its pretty much clear that this is just another decent way to loot money from the desperates.
They made it so attractive that its easy to fall into the traps and mind you all the job is not guaranteed, there is always the possibility of failing in the sim tests or the interview, your 45lac will be gone. Never come to a conclusion that in India the cadets have priority over the others, just look at the spice cadets many are waiting for nearly 3 years yet there are many outsiders gets the right seat over them and still spice is looking to make more money...I am sure all of you know what they are doing now.
My advice is that if you are a graduate from a middle class family then dont sign up for this "cadet" programme, find a decent job and move on with your life. Dont get fooled by the loan thing, if you take loan then you will end up with nearly 50lac debt. Remember there are over 5000 jobless pilots and Indigo and others will well take their chances to make money from these guys too.
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They are not degrading the Industry but rather the proffesion. They always want to make money in other ways to give low fare to fight with the legacy carriers, its mostly them who do such pay to fly, pay for exam, give low salaries and of course loot money by brining up cadet programmes like this which is not at all a cadet programme.
For many year I always seen cadets as the people who were sponsored by the airline and working under different contracts but today they changed the whole concept of this, yes mostly the low coast airlines but there are still who doing real cadet programmes like Etihad, Cathay for International students and many others for local citizens. I met few cadets from other major airlines who are now flying as FOs and some captains, they never shed out 1 rupees to get where they are and now they are very loyal to their respective airline, there are many fortunate people like this but I am afraid there wont be anymore in this country.
This was unnecessary, even though I am not a big fan of LCCs, show some respect please.
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No they arent, you can do a CPL plus type well below 40 or even below 35lac
not saying you did the figures accurately but its pretty much clear that this is just another decent way to loot money from the desperates.
They made it so attractive that its easy to fall into the traps and mind you all the job is not guaranteed, there is always the possibility of failing in the sim tests or the interview, your 45lac will be gone. Never come to a conclusion that in India the cadets have priority over the others, just look at the spice cadets many are waiting for nearly 3 years yet there are many outsiders gets the right seat over them and still spice is looking to make more money...I am sure all of you know what they are doing now.
My advice is that if you are a graduate from a middle class family then dont sign up for this "cadet" programme, find a decent job and move on with your life. Dont get fooled by the loan thing, if you take loan then you will end up with nearly 50lac debt. Remember there are over 5000 jobless pilots and Indigo and others will well take their chances to make money from these guys too.
@vdafff
Mostly the low cost airlines are the ones who degrading this industry
For many year I always seen cadets as the people who were sponsored by the airline and working under different contracts but today they changed the whole concept of this, yes mostly the low coast airlines but there are still who doing real cadet programmes like Etihad, Cathay for International students and many others for local citizens. I met few cadets from other major airlines who are now flying as FOs and some captains, they never shed out 1 rupees to get where they are and now they are very loyal to their respective airline, there are many fortunate people like this but I am afraid there wont be anymore in this country.
they are such a virus..
Expensive!?!? a CPL + Type will cost almost the same! isnt it?
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8918 pilots and counting.... 
I dont get it .
Why would IndiGo start such a program when there are so many unemployed within the industry
Even with 180+100 =280 A320 airplanes
280 X 20 pilots per airplane ( exaggerating ) = 5600 pilots
Even then the supply of pilots woudnt run out
On another note
From what i can see
IndiGo dosent seem to making any money from the the scheme
All the money goes to CAE
31 lakhs for CPL and another 15 lakhs for type rating all goes to CAE
I dont get it .
Why would IndiGo start such a program when there are so many unemployed within the industry
Even with 180+100 =280 A320 airplanes
280 X 20 pilots per airplane ( exaggerating ) = 5600 pilots
Even then the supply of pilots woudnt run out
On another note
From what i can see
IndiGo dosent seem to making any money from the the scheme
All the money goes to CAE
31 lakhs for CPL and another 15 lakhs for type rating all goes to CAE
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I'm not sure about the royalties / commission part but if i were to go through CAE NFTI to get my CPL and then do an A320 type rating with CAE it would still cost me the same amount of money as an IndiGo cadet
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Well just take a situation with man doing his deal of buying onion from different vendors.
>Man goes to buy onion from local market where the price is quoted as 10 Rs per kg.
>Now same man goes to another vendor of local market where he is being provided same quality of onion for 9 Rs per kg if he buys in a lot of 5Kg's.
>Suddenly there is local banner saying 6 Rs per Kg of onion available in bulk if and only 50 Kg of Onion is purchased.
Quality of onion is same in all three situations.
So now man goes into thinking mode of 3 different situations:
1. Buy it for 10 Rs/Kg
2. Buy it for 9 Rs/Kg but atleast 5 Kg's.
3. Buy it for 6 Rs/Kg but in bulk of 50 Kg's.
Now after getting confused ,the man picks up the choice number 3 considering quality is same as first 2 and he needs to fill his future needs which option number 3 satisfies him.Going by pure mathematics he takes up option 3 and buys a smile on his face thinking he got a steal.
Question - But why did that super market sold same quality of onions in cheap rate in bulk?
Answer - Well the super market got a supply of onions with a rate of onion is way way lower than that found in local market for a kg when ordered it in bulk.So it sells it less amount and makes money for itself.
And every one knows how orders in bulk can fetch a decent price saving just like the man with 50 kg's of onion got.
So why not take this case as Man being Indigo and Super Market as CAE:
Indigo gets pilots in bulk at cheap rate.
CAE gets pilots in bulk for its program which brings total cost of program for them lower than local market ( Individual Pilot's Training cost ).
Both does a nice deal in bulks and keep's the ever smiling face of biz intact with on time performance.
Now throw commissions in the offer and its get more sweeter for Indigo to take more pilots in bulk.
Having LOI is way better security than having none while going for rating.
But will Indigo just merely handover LOI after this Cadet program is over for a student considering how small details are being minutely held responsible in its on going CAE 320 induction program.
Ohh one more thing there are few 320 Rated rejected pilots with LOI of Indigo from 2008 season.
There will be many takers for schemes that seems to have some decent big name brand involve in it but when it comes to getting a flying even a donkey will start running like a derby horse when that donkey gets into the scheme which turns him into a monkey.
>Man goes to buy onion from local market where the price is quoted as 10 Rs per kg.
>Now same man goes to another vendor of local market where he is being provided same quality of onion for 9 Rs per kg if he buys in a lot of 5Kg's.
>Suddenly there is local banner saying 6 Rs per Kg of onion available in bulk if and only 50 Kg of Onion is purchased.
Quality of onion is same in all three situations.
So now man goes into thinking mode of 3 different situations:
1. Buy it for 10 Rs/Kg
2. Buy it for 9 Rs/Kg but atleast 5 Kg's.
3. Buy it for 6 Rs/Kg but in bulk of 50 Kg's.
Now after getting confused ,the man picks up the choice number 3 considering quality is same as first 2 and he needs to fill his future needs which option number 3 satisfies him.Going by pure mathematics he takes up option 3 and buys a smile on his face thinking he got a steal.
Question - But why did that super market sold same quality of onions in cheap rate in bulk?
Answer - Well the super market got a supply of onions with a rate of onion is way way lower than that found in local market for a kg when ordered it in bulk.So it sells it less amount and makes money for itself.
And every one knows how orders in bulk can fetch a decent price saving just like the man with 50 kg's of onion got.
So why not take this case as Man being Indigo and Super Market as CAE:
Indigo gets pilots in bulk at cheap rate.
CAE gets pilots in bulk for its program which brings total cost of program for them lower than local market ( Individual Pilot's Training cost ).
Both does a nice deal in bulks and keep's the ever smiling face of biz intact with on time performance.
Now throw commissions in the offer and its get more sweeter for Indigo to take more pilots in bulk.
Having LOI is way better security than having none while going for rating.
But will Indigo just merely handover LOI after this Cadet program is over for a student considering how small details are being minutely held responsible in its on going CAE 320 induction program.
Ohh one more thing there are few 320 Rated rejected pilots with LOI of Indigo from 2008 season.
There will be many takers for schemes that seems to have some decent big name brand involve in it but when it comes to getting a flying even a donkey will start running like a derby horse when that donkey gets into the scheme which turns him into a monkey.
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For every a/c Indigo receives it gets 2-3 typeratings free of cost for that a/c.
But it doesn't give them out for free , it charges people for that.
That is REAL moneymaking.
But it doesn't give them out for free , it charges people for that.
That is REAL moneymaking.
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well if you get an LOI for sure and you have sufficient money with you , you should go for it! Anyways you will have to do typerating from outside after you CPL , so why not spend extra money and get a job guarantee or at least a high possibility of getting a job.
Go for it if you have the moolah !!
Go for it if you have the moolah !!
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no point in joining IGRUA
no one was selected into air india since 2008, few got offers in 2009 and still sitting at home
if you have 45 lacs of your parents money to waste then go ahead and do it and remember job is not guranteed in indigo if you fail any interviews or test in between so your 45 lacs will be gone
no one was selected into air india since 2008, few got offers in 2009 and still sitting at home
if you have 45 lacs of your parents money to waste then go ahead and do it and remember job is not guranteed in indigo if you fail any interviews or test in between so your 45 lacs will be gone