Tiger

[Slasher]

sounds so enticing.....

So does free sex without a condom but it doesnt mean your
going to end up with the girl (or even gender) your expecting
to get....

[manflex69]

info of salary, flight pay, etc

Hi Kris...

may I know the salary at tiger? for capt and fo?
I just wanna compared with Indonesian pilots.
Here, in Indonesia, capt salary average is $ 3000 - $ 3500 per month Take Home Pay, free of tax.
That's for A 320 pilots.

Thanks in advance..

manflex

[umustb]

Hi guys, my apologies for side-tracking off topic.

My question is - I'm a CPL holder (not rated on type) whom would like to join Tiger. Should I fork out a sum of $$ to go do a MCC/JOC ? Would that increase my chances of selection with that certification?

Thanks

[Left Wing]

umustb.. if you have 1000 hrs TT... you can talk to them about a self funded program... you pay Tiger and they type rate you in A320 if you pass you get a job..

[krismiler]

Keep your money in your pocket, they're not looking for F/Os at the moment unless they can be rapidly upgraded. You would need an ATPL and considerable experience, both total and on type to get a look in.

Head of training would need to be sure of your command potential as they are not looking for career first officers, so too much right seat time in a company which promotes quickly or too many employers with no progression along the way will go against you.

Emirates will look at you with 2500hrs on a modern jet and give you better pay and benefits. Command will be on a wide body but plan on around seven years before you get to sign the aircraft's legal documents.

Tiger will give a quicker upgrade and after two or three years in the left seat you can start applying for direct entry captain jobs else where. However total pay and benefits for an EK f/o are better than a Tiger captains. You choose.

Michael O'Leary has a much higher regard for his employees than the Tiger CEO, even QATAR Airway's Akbar Al Baker would be an improvement from what I'm hearing.

[manflex69]

seems to me that no one will answer my questions.....hmm..
just wondering why?
Is Tiger as "bad" as people said?
M

[fighterkok]

Tiger will give a quicker upgrade and after two or three years in the left seat you can start applying for direct entry captain jobs else where. However total pay and benefits for an EK f/o are better than a Tiger captains. You choose.

well i dont think the bigger carriers (SQ/EK/CX/QR/EY) will look at you with 2-3 years with tiger as a capt for DEC.

new F/O basic with tiger i think is S$3000 with 70$ per hour of flying

cheers,

FK

[krismiler]

well i dont think the bigger carriers (SQ/EK/CX/QR/EY) will look at you with 2-3 years with tiger as a capt for DEC.

SQ - Definately not, only take from Silk Air if hired in Singapore
EK - Doubtful, but you never know depending on their requirements
CX - Don't think they take DECs on the pax fleet ?
QR - Yes it has happened
EY - Definately, many ex Tiger staff in there both f/os and A320 DECs. Some of the A320 DECs now in the left seat of the A330.

Vietnam - Definately some in already, many soon joining
Hong Kong Airlines - Definately, several going DEC on A330

seems to me that no one will answer my questions.....hmm..
just wondering why?

Captain on new contract, Basic SG$7000/month + SG$109.2/hr
Rent will be about $3000/month, private school fees $1800-2500 per child per month depending on age and school. Worlds 11th most expensive city for expats.

Is Tiger as "bad" as people said?

Depends what you make of it. If you join for a few years to get experience, accept the negatives and move on, fine. If you don't do you homework first and know what you're getting into, you will be very disappointed.

It isn't a career airline with good benefits and a union like SQ.

[SAO IO SPO]

Any truth they tried to recruit some Indian pilots but were rejected when heard the pay?

Are they the lowest paid A320 drivers in Asia?

[krismiler]

Any truth they tried to recruit some Indian pilots but were rejected when heard the pay?

Yes, pay is not commensurate with the high cost of living in Singapore. SQ offer expat terms with housing, school fees and tickets home in recognition of this. Trade off is a five year contract which may not be renewed. Accept local terms sans allowances and you have the security of a permanent contract. Tiger give three year contracts with no extras ie pilots get the insecurity of fixed contracts with none of the benefits.

Are they the lowest paid A320 drivers in Asia?

Not quite Air Asia pay less and LOCALS in Indonesia and Vietnam are way behind. However having the lowest paid pilots certainly seems to be the goal of the companys CEO. He miscalculated by imposing a pay cut on their drivers last year thinking the financial crisis meant no jobs for those wanting to move on, and an endless supply of pilots willing to fly for food to cater for expansion.

He now refuses to admit he got it wrong and pay the going rate. Flights are being cancelled almost every day, Captains are all just under the flight time limits. New aircraft are arriving later this year and new destinations are being advertised whilst the current schedule can't even be maintained.

Only the older Captains (60+ and not employable elsewhere), and recent upgrades without the experience to move into the same seat at a new company are staying.

Few first officers left who are able to be promoted, even the "career" ones are being looked at just in case.

Talk of Indonesians coming in to plug the gap but even if they all get through the training, which is doubtful given the airsafety record in that country, it still won't be enough.

Emirates will be head hunting in Singapore and KL next month. Many of Tigers F/Os will qualify with 2500hrs on the baby bus. A free apartment, widebody command in 6-7 years, full service airline benefits, party town Dubai with all those flight attendents, driving a nice car and tickets home could prove attractive to some of the guys.

Rumours of a new contract being looked at so apply if interested but do not accept the current deal, tell them to call you back when they've got a sensible offer

[ATPL Looking4work]

HI-how does anyone get a job with any of these carriers??? I ahve what I think is sufficient time but never seem to get a look in.....Any ideas anyone??

[Macarto]

Hi guys,

Since this thread has everything to do with Tiger, may i ask if there is a Tiger CPP coming up?

[SAO IO SPO]

By CPP do you mean a cadet pilot program?

[manflex69]

thanks

Hi Kris.

Thank you about your info.
And about "plug the gap" with Indonesian pilots it's true.
Tiger wants to take few pilots from Mandala (which is Tiger's sister company).

M

[krismiler]

Tiger are desperate for Captains with three flights canceled tomorrow according to the airport website.

Anyone who is considering applying should not accept the current terms, they are a race to the bottom. Sooner rather than later they will have to pay the going rate to stay in the game and it will work out more expensive than it would have been to have kept their departing crew happy and employed with them.

Awkward questions will soon be asked of those responsible as the cost of all these cancellations hits home, not to mention the bad publicity.

Some in SQ don't want the Tiger contract being used as a bench mark next time our own conditions are being negotiated.

[johnlenon]

Hi Manflex69

What's The Offer For Mandala Pilots From Tiger And How Many Pilots Required?

G'day

[thornycactus]

Originally Posted by krismiler

desperate for Captains with three flights canceled tomorrow according to the airport website

Sometimes the aircraft is not full, they canceled the flight.

[Macarto]

Thats correct, Cadet Pilot Programme.

[thornycactus]

Tiger CPP

Originally Posted by Macarto

Thats correct, Cadet Pilot Programme.

Tiger has never offer CPP. Do not dream about getting in.

If they have it, you must be a Singaporean (or may be an Australian) to qualify for the programme.

Also, there are "tons" of Singaporean pilots. Tiger rather train those qualified ones for rating than spending money and time on CPP.

[johannschmith]

Kris is correct re Tiger. It is now a race to the bottom and the management appear to believe that they can get away with it. They are cancelling a couple of flights every day because they haven't got Captains to fly them (not because they have no passengers). That must be pretty expensive - a lot more expensive than paying their pilots a decent salary and keeping them. One captain told me that even his sim training was being cancelled to operate flights. There are Mandala pilots joining soon but Tiger is desperately short of training captains so I wonder how they'll be trained. At least four trainers have resigned with more to come and of course the Chief Pilot left a few weeks ago. Will they cut corners in training same as they are doing with salaries? Probably.

Don't forget, this is a company that has made profits for the past three years yet has never given their pilots a pay rise while the CEO gives himself a handy 10 million shares in the IPO.

Yet another case of the rich getting richer and the poor having to make do with 3K a month which won't cover your rent in Singapore. Sure go there if you're desperate but don't expect to make a living wage. Use them the same way they'll use you. If you don't need that, then stay away. In any case Jetstar is offering a better deal in Singapore so why go to Tiger when that option is open?

Emirates are here in Singapore early August (and in KL and Hong Kong) and just watch the Tiger and Jetstar guys get snapped up because they have what Emirates want and there are many ex-Tiger and ex-Jetstar guys in Emirates so the sand kaffirs know that the standard is OK.

Only when the likes of Tiger have airplanes parked on the ground for want of drivers will the bosses get sense. Many of us will drink a bevvy or two when that happens to Davis and Co. The sooner the better, so that pilots can again have a decent standard of living for their families in Singapore.