Tiger

[bananaman2]

cruisecruiser... bear in mind all the 200hr guys who I know who got in were introduced by CTC or travelled out to Singapore speculatively and turned up on the doorstep - I don't know of anyone who's been lucky applying through the web (with 200hrs) - perhaps you do.

at the moment it appears Tiger has more pressing needs for Captains or those with hours on Type that will make them eligible for Command fairly soon hence... cancellation of flights alluded to. But I'm as interested as you as to the prospects for potential employment - perhaps approaching them over the next few months is not the time.

Will be interesting to know when things start to improve.

[johnlenon]

crisp

Crisp,as We Speak,a Brand New Aircraft Is Being Flown On The Way To Singapore Scheduled To Arrive Here In A Few Days.

Guess They Will Park The Shining Bird Against The Fence (no Crew)

SHAKER ONE:YES! The Old Loyal Instructors At Tiger With Lesser Pay/assume More Experience Will Be Training The Contractors With Higher Pay...welcome To Tiger Airways!

[Dani]

To put a few things straight:

Most of the pilots that left were not leaving because they had enough of Tiger - or not only because of that. It was the moment where they got their long awaited bonuses (for the IPO), so basically everyone waited until he got his bonus, then quit. Unfortunately, that was exactly the time when the industry went on a rise again.

Those 200hrsish pilots where not the worst ones. Tiger took plenty of well trained SIA cadets and had some young cadets already before. CAAS's
problem was that some pilots came from an region with slightly lower aviation standards.

There have always been pilots on different contracts in Tiger, as long as Tiger existed. That's no difference to SIA, SIA Cargo, or any other Asian carrier, or maybe industry-wide.

Contract pilots might get slightly better T&Cs, but on the other hand, they are the first to leave, or sometimes given the choice to reaply under normal "local" conditions.

I'm pretty sure, that Tiger is getting pilots they deserve and that they are making their way back on track again.

Cheers,
Dani
(former Tiger capt)

[slatch]

Like Crisp2 pointed out. Tiger's performance lately has been getting worse. Almost everyone I know in Asia and Aus don't fly Tiger any more because you can not depend on them. If they keep this up they won't need any pilots because they wont have any passengers.

Friday October 1, 2010 Changi departures:

total: 33
cancelled 15
over 4 hrs late: 2
over 3 hrs late: 1
over 2 hrs late: 2
over 1 hr late: 3
over 15 min late: 5

That makes 5 out of 33 that departed close to on time.

[Sunstar320]

and here she is.....turrrrrrrrrrbotiger

[krismiler]

Contract pilots might get slightly better T&Cs

Try 33% better. But then again they are on a fixed term contract and don't get pension or loss of licence insurance. Unlike the present pilots ???? Who are on a fixed term contract and don't get pension or loss of licence insurance either.

they are the first to leave, or sometimes given the choice to reaply under normal "local" conditions.

So what happens in six months time when these guys contracts are up and they either move on to better opportunities in the region or refuse to extend under "local" conditions, but are willing to continue on "contract rates"

Replace them with more "contract" pilots ?

One possible option would be to offer attractive terms and conditions to current employees, make them want to stay. And they would have little trouble with future recruitment as a holding pool would develop.

[Dani]

33%, but they don't get a bonus - if there will be one. And the last one was big enough.

You are correct that there is no LOL or any other insurances, there is a pension plan if you are permanent resident (which you are free to apply after a certain time, I don't remember how long).

I just know that in the beginning, every single contract pilot changed to local contract - I don't remember anyone who left at all. There might be better offers in the regions, but most of the offers are worse.

Dani
(I wonder why I don't reapply...)

[krismiler]

The IPO bonus was a one off and had been dangled in front of everyone as a means of keeping the terms and conditions down. Now a skipper who stays three years gets S$30 000 or profit share (max of about S$4500/year IF targets are met).

Pension plan - Central Provident Fund requires:
1. Six to eighteen months on an employment pass before you can apply with any chance of permanent residence being granted.
2. Six to twelve month wait for an answer, and they are being a lot more selective these days.
3. Two years on reduced contributions before the company pays the full amount of S$650/month. You will be paying S$900 as well.

After a few months experience in the region and having made a few contacts, these contract pilots will be well placed to move on if Tiger try to negotiate downwards when renewal time comes around.

Tiger need to attract and retain a stable workforce if they are to achieve their expansion plans

[Oldaircrew]

Dani, you are out of touch with regards to the situation at Tiger. I suggest that you stop posting. The bonus last year was 750SGD. The IPO was a one off as Krismiler says. Tiger will not get pilots due to the way that they treat their staff. They will not be back on track anytime soon either.

[Michi]

I have been interested in applying until I had a closer look at the terms; if you don't have a CAAS licence ( which most of us don't) you'll have to sign a bond of S$ 25.000,-!!!! Is there no possibility to fly with a validation like in many other countries, based on (in my case) a JAA ATPL? I also understand it is quite an extensive process to convert..... Anyone with more details about this?

Many thanks
M.

[Meccano]

Michi, the CAAS will throw obstacle after obstacle in your path. No, you won't get a validation. You must apply for a conversion. In JAR Land your PC/IR is valid for 12 months, but the CAAS consider it expired after 6 months.
No 6 month PC? - bog off then.
You'll be asked to provide the infamous PC Report too - if you can obtain it.
If not, bog off.

Singapore needs pilots, but is playing silly games. This goes on in many areas of business there. Maersk just announced they are pulling their shipping business and placing it with Malaysian ports instead. Same reason - finally tired of their BS. Too expensive anyhow.

Singaporeans are a;holes to deal with.
Good luck.

[etops777]

Meccano

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Singaporeans are a;holes to deal with. 
Good luck.

You are a true professional!

If you are so proud of yourself then why you need to seek employment else where? Just stay where you belong and don't even bother to work anywhere else on this planet

I am not from the lion city but with your remark, you are 1 big racists and I am glad Singapore as a country got rid of you! and please, don't make a bad name for your fellow country man.

[cruisercruiser]

Thanks Banana and Crisps. Met up with a friend from Tiger and was told it's bleak for 200-hour freshies...

[hongkongfooey]

Tiger, where do I sign !!

Singaporeans are a;holes to deal with

100% agree, and that's from personal experience. It's Ok to screw with people and their lives/careers but when you complain about it, and because you are a different race, their only pathetic answer is " racist "

[NavySealPA]

Hongkongfool

Only because comment like this deserve nothing less than the word Racist with a captial R.:yuk
Singapore might need pilots,but what makes u think they need pilots like u?
As for being a as;hole,it takes a bigger one to know a smaller one.

[dadof6]

Interview with Tiger

Am considering leaving a legacy carrier in North America to come to Tiger. After reading the posts here I am not sure I can even consider the interview!

Someone from Tiger care to PM me or even reply here why I should. Have seen lots of posts why I shouldn't.

Thanks

[hongkongfooey]

Only because comment like this deserve nothing less than the word Racist with a captial R.:yuk
Singapore might need pilots,but what makes u think they need pilots like u?
As for being a as;hole,it takes a bigger one to know a smaller one

Let me guess, level 3 ICAO
I coodent aford the pay cut

[Meccano]

Kiddo - been there, done that. Got the T-Shirt, and moved on.
And as to racism....dont make me laugh you hypocrite.
Singapore makes no secret of it - its stated policy! Right on this thread! Duh.

[etops777]

Inmature of Meccano

Code:

Kiddo - been there, done that. Got the T-Shirt, and moved on.

Let me try to read between the lines here!

It sounded like you've come to Asia and build the required hours and experience in order to qualify for another Airlines that needed more experience for a MORON like yourself! At the same time making a real living and not making peanut wages back home!

Hypocrite?! No need for a pissing contest with someone that doesn't appreciate the people whom gave you the required experience to be more marketable. With equal opportunity issue? Do you think your country will allow anyone without the right of abode to be flying in your country let along DEC! C'mon grow up you little MORON! feel sorry that you were not taught correctly but you still have time to "Learn" and "Grow up"

[Meccano]

Eh kiddo, you're making rather a large set of assumptions, and my advice to you is calm yourself down before you burst a blood vessel. Your kiasu mentality is out of control.

Never mind. Living in a dictatorship does funny things to people.

PS I just did some research on you (not finished yet) but already it appears you make a habit of 'analysing' the backgrounds of anyone who pisses you off a bit. Like this:

hongkongfooey
.....if job and pay was so good in your country, why did you leave in the first place? let me guess, is it you were furloughed? or trying to get some jet experience? maybe pay increase or trying to escape from the tax authority? i think too much to list.
make the best of it while you are working and it is a blessing in disguise because without these so-called 3rd world airlines, you probably would not have the jet time or a big salary increase, etc...JUST BE GRATEFUL

Yet more hypocrisy, from a guy who's an emigrant himself.
Seem's you've moved from one dictatorship to another looking for work and brought your lickspittal mentality with you. Why didn't you take your own advice and stay where you belong, back in Singapore? Or do all foreign jobs belong to you alone?

Furthermore, for a "777 Captain" your english is abysmal. Is it ICAO Level 6?
The CAAS probably wouldn't let them hire you in Singapore! Hence its the desert for you my lad. Enjoy...