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Air India has hangar in BOM and A310 MRO capability....no need to ferry the a/c to Dhaka...
biggest plane they have flown was a C-152........
sad but true....even their personal email add is CAPT. XYZ.....hahahaaaaaaaa...
biggest plane they have flown was a C-152........
sad but true....even their personal email add is CAPT. XYZ.....hahahaaaaaaaa...
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Widen your viewpoint...don't just look at life from a flightdeck window.
Sky dancer,
"he just sold India his dream and the Indians bought it...like I'd mentioned earlier he'll be on the news pretty soon selling the Great Indian Cargo Dream". At last something I can agree with.
The reason the Indian 'common man' bought it was because it was their dream too.
'Regarding the Great Indian Cargo Dream' I am afraid you are missing the point. The world's largest airline doesn't carry passengers and it is not even a Cargo Airline. Like FedEx (Aviation Dept), Deccan Cargo will be the operator for Deccan Express Logistics. It is the logistics company that is the 'dream' that India will buy into. Sure Deccan Cargo will also carry Cargo but that will not be the core business and connecting the small factories in the rural areas of India with the major cities by surface and air (as is appropriate) that is the dream.
An awful lot of people (and business institutions) become millionaires as a result of Air Deccan, sadly you don't appear to have been one of them.
Pardes,
You say 'any Indian would know that in India a title means nothing'. I guess you are not an Indian, or even a NRI, otherwise you would know that a title is 'everything' in India. In many companies titles are given in lieu of additional salary. Even the lead security guard on a building site would like to be known as an 'Assistant MANAGER'.
If you had ever tried to navigate from airside to landside (or v.v.) at an Indian Airport you would understand the value of the honorific title of 'Captain', a white shirt and four-gold bars, whether you are flying a B737 or a C150.
Ciao.
"he just sold India his dream and the Indians bought it...like I'd mentioned earlier he'll be on the news pretty soon selling the Great Indian Cargo Dream". At last something I can agree with.
The reason the Indian 'common man' bought it was because it was their dream too.
'Regarding the Great Indian Cargo Dream' I am afraid you are missing the point. The world's largest airline doesn't carry passengers and it is not even a Cargo Airline. Like FedEx (Aviation Dept), Deccan Cargo will be the operator for Deccan Express Logistics. It is the logistics company that is the 'dream' that India will buy into. Sure Deccan Cargo will also carry Cargo but that will not be the core business and connecting the small factories in the rural areas of India with the major cities by surface and air (as is appropriate) that is the dream.
An awful lot of people (and business institutions) become millionaires as a result of Air Deccan, sadly you don't appear to have been one of them.
Pardes,
You say 'any Indian would know that in India a title means nothing'. I guess you are not an Indian, or even a NRI, otherwise you would know that a title is 'everything' in India. In many companies titles are given in lieu of additional salary. Even the lead security guard on a building site would like to be known as an 'Assistant MANAGER'.
If you had ever tried to navigate from airside to landside (or v.v.) at an Indian Airport you would understand the value of the honorific title of 'Captain', a white shirt and four-gold bars, whether you are flying a B737 or a C150.
Ciao.
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If you look at how all the major global logistics companies grew , they first established their networks and reputation.It was only later that their aircraft came in to help sustain their network.Deccan Cargo as in the case of Air Deccan is doing things the other way around.Air Deccan expanded too fast.They could not keep up with the expansion.That coupled with some extremely poor management led to its downfall.It's reputation as an airline was garbage and in the end the banks realised that the money they were sinking into it would never come back.It's the mistake that Kingfisher is doing growing too fast with some extremely poor management.The result will be there for all to see in the not too distant future.You can grow fast and you can dream big but you have to have a solid business plan and a strong management team to go with it.If you have it then the sky is the limit.
You say that certain people became millionaires.Name me a few .The only people I know who became millionaires were the senior management of Air Deccan along with the promoters.The fact is you guys would have made more money if you had managed to get the premium you were asking when you were going public.In the end it all boils down to one thing ....money.And one look at your account books and your lead bankers wanted to run away.But in the end you made your money.
Talk about the various things you've done ..blatant violation of safety procedures and regulations..and still getting away with it.I wonder how ??Keeping pax waiting for hours on end and not doing anything about it.Your own employees getting abused by pax and not doing anything about it...
I would be interested to see when Deccan Cargo will be up and running and how long it will be up...And I'd like to see how much money Baldy and his crew make on this one
You say that certain people became millionaires.Name me a few .The only people I know who became millionaires were the senior management of Air Deccan along with the promoters.The fact is you guys would have made more money if you had managed to get the premium you were asking when you were going public.In the end it all boils down to one thing ....money.And one look at your account books and your lead bankers wanted to run away.But in the end you made your money.
Talk about the various things you've done ..blatant violation of safety procedures and regulations..and still getting away with it.I wonder how ??Keeping pax waiting for hours on end and not doing anything about it.Your own employees getting abused by pax and not doing anything about it...
I would be interested to see when Deccan Cargo will be up and running and how long it will be up...And I'd like to see how much money Baldy and his crew make on this one
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sky w**ker, your arrogance is appalling. You certainly have a right to an opinion, but he has a NAME for crying out loud!
air deccan was India' largest LCC. It takes a strong management to build something like that. Deccan became a household name within months of its launch. Capt Gopi opened up the aviation market and created millions of jobs along with the other airlines that opened up after deccan.
If its a strong management you ask for, have a look at the deccan cargo management on the website.
you want millionaires?! look up the passenger manifests of all those deccan flights. Each and every middle class/lower middle class Indian who flew with deccan and tasted flight for the first time considered himself richer by the experience. Bank balances alone don't make you a millionaire, life experiences contribute as well. Companies saved lakhs of rupees just by utilizing deccans services.
You obviously know that market share cannot be garnered without pax. I agree there were problems in the beginning but they were ironed out and on-time performance improved tremendously.
You're probably too old for me to ask you to change your attitude, but this new year when you're pissed drunk and you have nothing to ramble on, think about encouraging people looking to make new beginnings, if you have a problem with anybody/anything... be a man stand up straight and put forth your point of view on a platform where you get noticed. I'm sure you can find something better than an anonymous forum. Whether deccan cargo is a success or not is for India to decide, certainly not for the knob hiding behind skydancer!
air deccan was India' largest LCC. It takes a strong management to build something like that. Deccan became a household name within months of its launch. Capt Gopi opened up the aviation market and created millions of jobs along with the other airlines that opened up after deccan.
If its a strong management you ask for, have a look at the deccan cargo management on the website.
you want millionaires?! look up the passenger manifests of all those deccan flights. Each and every middle class/lower middle class Indian who flew with deccan and tasted flight for the first time considered himself richer by the experience. Bank balances alone don't make you a millionaire, life experiences contribute as well. Companies saved lakhs of rupees just by utilizing deccans services.
You obviously know that market share cannot be garnered without pax. I agree there were problems in the beginning but they were ironed out and on-time performance improved tremendously.
You're probably too old for me to ask you to change your attitude, but this new year when you're pissed drunk and you have nothing to ramble on, think about encouraging people looking to make new beginnings, if you have a problem with anybody/anything... be a man stand up straight and put forth your point of view on a platform where you get noticed. I'm sure you can find something better than an anonymous forum. Whether deccan cargo is a success or not is for India to decide, certainly not for the knob hiding behind skydancer!
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Well Slim , if you call me arrogant then I suggest you look yourself in the mirror.You've managed to contradict everything you seem to stand up for in that "brave" tirade against me.If you're man enough then maybe you should tell us all who you are because in this forum no one really is man enough by your standard.
Now let's not get carried away with what Baldy Gopinath did.Sure he changed the civil aviation scenario in India and I would be one of the first to accept that fact.But did he do it well ?I don't think so.He just rode on the Great Indian Growth story and sold the Great Indian Aviation Growth story along with it.Emotions apart , any seasoned aviation professional listening to him in an interview would know that he didn't really know what he was talking about.Because if he did Deccan would still be around.I just happened to read his "Dream" of Deccan Cargo yesterday , it really surprises me that there are so called smart business people who buy it.Anyway best of luck to him and his highly "talented team."
Oh and one more thing about manhood.If you're man enough just deny the accussations that I've been throwing at Baldy and his talented team at Deccan about violations in almost all departments and still getting away with it.That would be very manly of you to deny it convincingly in this forum.If not I guess we'll have to ask Mummy your name to Slim D..k or something on those lines.And I'm not that old in fact pretty young by world standards.And may be on TV pretty soon as well..but I'm not man enough to tell you all who I really am.
Now let's not get carried away with what Baldy Gopinath did.Sure he changed the civil aviation scenario in India and I would be one of the first to accept that fact.But did he do it well ?I don't think so.He just rode on the Great Indian Growth story and sold the Great Indian Aviation Growth story along with it.Emotions apart , any seasoned aviation professional listening to him in an interview would know that he didn't really know what he was talking about.Because if he did Deccan would still be around.I just happened to read his "Dream" of Deccan Cargo yesterday , it really surprises me that there are so called smart business people who buy it.Anyway best of luck to him and his highly "talented team."
Oh and one more thing about manhood.If you're man enough just deny the accussations that I've been throwing at Baldy and his talented team at Deccan about violations in almost all departments and still getting away with it.That would be very manly of you to deny it convincingly in this forum.If not I guess we'll have to ask Mummy your name to Slim D..k or something on those lines.And I'm not that old in fact pretty young by world standards.And may be on TV pretty soon as well..but I'm not man enough to tell you all who I really am.
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...but not all the rules all the time!
Sky Dancer,
As a seasoned aviation professional I can tell you that Captain Gopinath knows as much as anyone about running an airline in India, and probably more than you and definitely more than me (when was the last time you bought 60 Airbus in one go or started an airline). Perhaps you would like to see imposed different standards than those that apply in India.
Now if you want to be critical about the ability of DGCA to regulate the aviation industry then I would probably be on your side, but it is not in the nature of an entrepreneur to abide by questionable and arbitrary rules. We know from recent court cases that even British Airways and other ‘legacy’ airlines don’t play by all the rules and have committed violations that have cost them an awful lot of money.
In India there is the added business challenge that not all permits are processed as fast as they should be (not enough grease on the wheel perhaps), this kind of regulation is not conducive to compliance with all rules and regulations some of which have very limited if any effect on safety. It becomes part of the Accountable Manager’s task to decide which rule he is prepared to fight in Court rather than give in to the chinless, faceless wonders doing their best to kill the aviation industry
If you think that this is an issue that is only to be seen in India, think again. I know from personal experience that this is an issue throughout the Third World and I suspect it is also a problem in the old and new world too. After all, if it wasn’t, organisations like the UK CAA wouldn’t need an Enforcement Branch.
Ciao
As a seasoned aviation professional I can tell you that Captain Gopinath knows as much as anyone about running an airline in India, and probably more than you and definitely more than me (when was the last time you bought 60 Airbus in one go or started an airline). Perhaps you would like to see imposed different standards than those that apply in India.
Now if you want to be critical about the ability of DGCA to regulate the aviation industry then I would probably be on your side, but it is not in the nature of an entrepreneur to abide by questionable and arbitrary rules. We know from recent court cases that even British Airways and other ‘legacy’ airlines don’t play by all the rules and have committed violations that have cost them an awful lot of money.
In India there is the added business challenge that not all permits are processed as fast as they should be (not enough grease on the wheel perhaps), this kind of regulation is not conducive to compliance with all rules and regulations some of which have very limited if any effect on safety. It becomes part of the Accountable Manager’s task to decide which rule he is prepared to fight in Court rather than give in to the chinless, faceless wonders doing their best to kill the aviation industry
If you think that this is an issue that is only to be seen in India, think again. I know from personal experience that this is an issue throughout the Third World and I suspect it is also a problem in the old and new world too. After all, if it wasn’t, organisations like the UK CAA wouldn’t need an Enforcement Branch.
Ciao
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Well looks like I'm up against the senior management of erstwhile Air Deccan and now Deccan Cargo.So there really isn't much point in carrying this argument any further.I have my very strong views on you guys and maybe time will tell if I'm right.Either way good luck to you on your new venture....but just a piece of friendly advice...don't leave too many people High N Dry this time around..
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Last heard Deccan cargo was to commence ops with NAG as base from 1st qtr 2009,initially with 6 A310F & 6ATRs.
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its definitely not launching in the 1st qtr of '09 ... launch date post poned to god knows when.
mean while, here's something to munch on:
Capt Gopinath to foray into express logistics biz
mean while, here's something to munch on:
Capt Gopinath to foray into express logistics biz
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interestin idea. i know they have one 310F on the books. does anyone know if the ATRs are already converted to cargo or if they still need to .that takes a while. seems they could still do some flying without the buildings being built. does anyone currently live in nagpur and can shed light on it.
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how long would you guess is a while. maybe in march, april, may? have they even started hiring and training the pilots? i hear that things take a while to get done such as security clearence and visas.
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Qatar hiring A310/300 drivers
Looks like a lot of A310 guys are looking at Deccan Cargo with interest.
For those interested, I hear Qatar Airways is hiring 310/300 rated drivers, so you guys might want to check that out. 2-3 years down the line you have a chance to move on to the A330/B777
For those interested, I hear Qatar Airways is hiring 310/300 rated drivers, so you guys might want to check that out. 2-3 years down the line you have a chance to move on to the A330/B777
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Going by what we saw with Air Deccan, I'd say he's a shrewd operator. The only person laughing all the way to the bank right now is HIM. Wouldn't be surprised if he started something with ridiculously high frequencies and completely flood the market (and loose investor money) and then sell out for a price.
More of an investment banker than a long term airline I guess.
More of an investment banker than a long term airline I guess.