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So guys, what do you think of the email TF sent?
Recession? Well anyone knows its imminent knowing that any economy does go through cycles and it does look like it's due in soon but I don't see why it's coming this year. Historically an election year doesn't coincide with a recession. Maybe he heard EY is coming over and he's worried?
And that's the 3rd time he has cancelled his briefing with the Indonesian captains. What's going on with the guy? Ran out of ideas or news on how to please them? He better do something if only a few gets the PR he promised as a lot of them will be free to leave.
Recession? Well anyone knows its imminent knowing that any economy does go through cycles and it does look like it's due in soon but I don't see why it's coming this year. Historically an election year doesn't coincide with a recession. Maybe he heard EY is coming over and he's worried?
And that's the 3rd time he has cancelled his briefing with the Indonesian captains. What's going on with the guy? Ran out of ideas or news on how to please them? He better do something if only a few gets the PR he promised as a lot of them will be free to leave.
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The last time recruitment roadshow opens its circus tent in Malaysia TF came and chase away all his pilots..halau balik rumah, macam seorang ayah halau seorang anaknya balik...is that true? So you guys who'd been contemplating a move to EY might want to do it privately in hotel room...
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TF is just getting too caught up in the money loads he's getting that he's practically got no bloody time to care about anything else around him. Heard the guy is acting in that new movie CUCI. havent watched it yet but imagine the "extra" cash he'll be getting while the rest of us still hold up our bowls to him and say "Please sir, may i have some more?"
Recessions come and go. And its not like in the past 6 years or whatever air asia has never been through one. He's just starting early and creating a false scenario for us to justify his struggles and why he would be unable to produce pay increments and bonus pay-outs at the end of the fiscal year. thats it. simple as that. I totally agree on the idonesian pilots part though. what the hell is he thinking. If he pisses them off,the ENTIRE COMMUNITY will pack and leave. I personally know that these guys have job offers from all over the globe,but are just serving out their bond and gaining hours. but piss them off,and trust me,they shall "cabut". not one,but the whole jing bang.
If i was a conspiracy theory expert, i would also say that another reason that stupid email was sent out is to justify the recent follow up email by PD regarding the fact that the poor cadets have gotta repay they entire MFA training bond! I have had a look at this and the scales are RIDICULOUS!!!! Its either a bond,in which you serve the company for a period of time,or payment...which generally makes the agreement not far more different than taking a bank loan.
NOT A BOND AND PAYMENT!
what a scam! Does TF think he still works at warner? because you only treat musicians like this,not pilots. If u cut an album for a musician,he pays you back. my dear TF,this aint the same for pilots
Maybe you guys should start a petition or something against something like this? not sure how much difference it would make though looking at the way they treat fo's. stupid
Recessions come and go. And its not like in the past 6 years or whatever air asia has never been through one. He's just starting early and creating a false scenario for us to justify his struggles and why he would be unable to produce pay increments and bonus pay-outs at the end of the fiscal year. thats it. simple as that. I totally agree on the idonesian pilots part though. what the hell is he thinking. If he pisses them off,the ENTIRE COMMUNITY will pack and leave. I personally know that these guys have job offers from all over the globe,but are just serving out their bond and gaining hours. but piss them off,and trust me,they shall "cabut". not one,but the whole jing bang.
If i was a conspiracy theory expert, i would also say that another reason that stupid email was sent out is to justify the recent follow up email by PD regarding the fact that the poor cadets have gotta repay they entire MFA training bond! I have had a look at this and the scales are RIDICULOUS!!!! Its either a bond,in which you serve the company for a period of time,or payment...which generally makes the agreement not far more different than taking a bank loan.
NOT A BOND AND PAYMENT!
what a scam! Does TF think he still works at warner? because you only treat musicians like this,not pilots. If u cut an album for a musician,he pays you back. my dear TF,this aint the same for pilots
Maybe you guys should start a petition or something against something like this? not sure how much difference it would make though looking at the way they treat fo's. stupid
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And there's no maybe's here. TF is not stupid. I guarantee he knows that there's gonna be a so called "AL-QAEDA" invasion to malaysia to suck grab all his pilots,but whether he keeps his pilots here by increasing the pay or by squeezing us dry,overloading with bonds and blackmail remains to be seen
But with kiss ass pilot-informers he has like the great CM
, im sure he knows.
But with kiss ass pilot-informers he has like the great CM
, im sure he knows.
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Chrome,
I hear Mandala is considering those Indo Captains to move to them for 100K USD transfer fees... whether that will actually happen or not, I dunno.
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I hear Mandala is considering those Indo Captains to move to them for 100K USD transfer fees... whether that will actually happen or not, I dunno.
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100k USD transfer fees? as in if they join the get the cash? wow thats fantastic.
any idea how much they'll roll in per month?
The thing is quite a few indonesian pilots dislike the working environment in indonesia which is why they run here. so not sure what kinda money would actually be enough to make them go back there.
One thing i am sure off though is that the amount of curses TF gets everyday from 98% of his staff,he's gonna feel it one day thats for sure
any idea how much they'll roll in per month?
The thing is quite a few indonesian pilots dislike the working environment in indonesia which is why they run here. so not sure what kinda money would actually be enough to make them go back there.
One thing i am sure off though is that the amount of curses TF gets everyday from 98% of his staff,he's gonna feel it one day thats for sure
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its confirmed.
Mandala is offering 100K uSD and Lion air is offering 65k USD for transfer fees. geez.
the whole world is throwing out money for pilots and air asia is the only one deducting!
Did any of you guys out there hear about the rumour that the captains pay is gonna further increase by another 4k? In their basic pay?
what about co-pilots??????
Mandala is offering 100K uSD and Lion air is offering 65k USD for transfer fees. geez.
the whole world is throwing out money for pilots and air asia is the only one deducting!
Did any of you guys out there hear about the rumour that the captains pay is gonna further increase by another 4k? In their basic pay?
what about co-pilots??????
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420,
Mandala is offering 100k USD for rated Captains, and I hear about 40K for rated F/Os... for the 320s.
Lion is offering 50-65K for Garuda captains rated on 734s and 65 - 75k for NG rated captains. For F/Os you can expect half the amount. The captains non Garuda can expect up to 50K transfers at the moment.
How much do they get a month?
Currently is about 3K a month net of taxes all in. Current discussions are going to 4K to 5K at some instances... with those transfer fees still being dished out.
F/Os currently are at about 2K after taxes all in, some at 2.5... talk is that they'll go up to 3 soon... but that's still talk.
Mandala seems to be the darling at the moment with working conditions that are heavenly comparing with Lion.
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Mandala is offering 100k USD for rated Captains, and I hear about 40K for rated F/Os... for the 320s.
Lion is offering 50-65K for Garuda captains rated on 734s and 65 - 75k for NG rated captains. For F/Os you can expect half the amount. The captains non Garuda can expect up to 50K transfers at the moment.
How much do they get a month?
Currently is about 3K a month net of taxes all in. Current discussions are going to 4K to 5K at some instances... with those transfer fees still being dished out.
F/Os currently are at about 2K after taxes all in, some at 2.5... talk is that they'll go up to 3 soon... but that's still talk.
Mandala seems to be the darling at the moment with working conditions that are heavenly comparing with Lion.
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thanks for the info pak,
it looks good for the captains but as for the Fo's,its only slightly more compared to what is offered in AK. around one thousand more ringgit approx. But i've heard this from quite a number of my indon collegues that the power distance in indonesia between capt and Fo is very very high hence the pay scale difference. and promotion from right to left takes ages. so i guess for the Fo's,its best they stay out of this mandala deal but looks great for the captains.
it looks good for the captains but as for the Fo's,its only slightly more compared to what is offered in AK. around one thousand more ringgit approx. But i've heard this from quite a number of my indon collegues that the power distance in indonesia between capt and Fo is very very high hence the pay scale difference. and promotion from right to left takes ages. so i guess for the Fo's,its best they stay out of this mandala deal but looks great for the captains.
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Even though Indonesia is a wonderful country with generally very nice people, unfortunately no Malaysian pilots would go there simply because of Indonesia's not so good track record in aviation safety. Corruption is also perceived to be a menace there. I for one won't move there just for the sake of money. Imagine you hear Indonesian pilots flying everywhere nowadays (Macau, Japan, Thailand etc) and they themselves won't return home. Indonesia economy is forecasted to improve in 2008 so that's something to look forward to. Better economy means more traffic for everyone. I just hope that the DGCA takes real responsibility in improving safety.
TF has invited all AK pilots for new year dinner "get together"
I haven't heard of him doing something like this before. Come on guys, open your eyes. It's an attempt to bribe us into feeling good about the company and make us understand the importance of his efforts to further enhance AirAsia's competitiveness bla bla. But the company is doing good and we love the company. We've heard that all before. It's not treating us like professional pilots that makes us unhappy now. Screwing around with his speculative fuel hedging policy has also lost AirAsia millions of ringgit. Millions that he religiously tells us to save (by saving fuel, freezing wage increases, ignoring requests for improved compensation packages, putting code readers on xerox machines, cutting down on annual coupon travel etc). I for one am not amused. Now my share value is back to what it was months ago. Why did we work so hard for the past year? He screwed up and don't even have the balls to explain it to us and admit that he did something wrong as a courtesy.
Guys, snub the dinner like he snubbed our application for better compensation and improved working conditions. Only this way will he see that he really needs to do something real to retain his better pilots. It would take more than a plate of nasi goreng, chicken wings and beer to make things right. Let CM and the usual band of yes men be there. I'm not going to be bought.
TF has invited all AK pilots for new year dinner "get together"
I haven't heard of him doing something like this before. Come on guys, open your eyes. It's an attempt to bribe us into feeling good about the company and make us understand the importance of his efforts to further enhance AirAsia's competitiveness bla bla. But the company is doing good and we love the company. We've heard that all before. It's not treating us like professional pilots that makes us unhappy now. Screwing around with his speculative fuel hedging policy has also lost AirAsia millions of ringgit. Millions that he religiously tells us to save (by saving fuel, freezing wage increases, ignoring requests for improved compensation packages, putting code readers on xerox machines, cutting down on annual coupon travel etc). I for one am not amused. Now my share value is back to what it was months ago. Why did we work so hard for the past year? He screwed up and don't even have the balls to explain it to us and admit that he did something wrong as a courtesy.
Guys, snub the dinner like he snubbed our application for better compensation and improved working conditions. Only this way will he see that he really needs to do something real to retain his better pilots. It would take more than a plate of nasi goreng, chicken wings and beer to make things right. Let CM and the usual band of yes men be there. I'm not going to be bought.
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Imagine you hear Indonesian pilots flying everywhere nowadays (Macau, Japan, Thailand etc) and they themselves won't return home. Indonesia economy is forecasted to improve in 2008 so that's something to look forward to. Better economy means more traffic for everyone. I just hope that the DGCA takes real responsibility in improving safety.
Better economy means more traffic, but it also means more problems... let's hope it'll be a net gain instead of a zero gain trade off!
420, promotion from right to left in terms of period really does depend on which company you work for and the crewing situation.
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AK Pilots, what are you waiting for? The earlier you bailout, the faster you get your widebody command in sand dune and more money you will make !!! My buddy who bailed out from AK and joined EK about 2.5 yrs ago is doing his command assessment now on B777 and Gods willing, he should start his command training this summer.
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Asian Express Pilots...
Glad That You Guys Finally Can See What Kind Of Blood Sucker Tf Is.
He Has A Bad Track Record If You Speaks To Guys Who He Has Worked With Before.
If You Hear To Interviews And Talk He Has Given Its All Packs Of Lies And He Is As Bad As Any Politician..
My Guess. Airasia Will Be The 1st First Airline To Cut The Salaries In The Name Of Recession So Tf Can Make More Money..
Tf Is Just Another Cheapskate Blood Sucking Conman...
Come On Guys Move On..airasia Is Not Worth Your Loyalty..
Move To An Airline And Leave The Red Bus Company...
Leave The Air Force Guys And Their 5 Star General(tf) To Sail This Sinking Ship...good Luck
Glad That You Guys Finally Can See What Kind Of Blood Sucker Tf Is.
He Has A Bad Track Record If You Speaks To Guys Who He Has Worked With Before.
If You Hear To Interviews And Talk He Has Given Its All Packs Of Lies And He Is As Bad As Any Politician..
My Guess. Airasia Will Be The 1st First Airline To Cut The Salaries In The Name Of Recession So Tf Can Make More Money..
Tf Is Just Another Cheapskate Blood Sucking Conman...
Come On Guys Move On..airasia Is Not Worth Your Loyalty..
Move To An Airline And Leave The Red Bus Company...
Leave The Air Force Guys And Their 5 Star General(tf) To Sail This Sinking Ship...good Luck
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Air Asia is NOT a sinking ship. They will continue to do well and expand and develop well in to the future. It's a good Low Cost Carrier business.
For the pilots working there there IS a bigger picture out there. And no doubt those with ambition will move on to major carriers. There's more to flying life than an LCC experience and lifestyle.
Make no mistake AK is a great stepping stone. It deserves your best while you are a Pilot there because remember YOU are a Professional. However you don’t have to remain quiet to the on going issues there and should fight for your market value. I am in an airline where F/O's are treated with the utmost respect and worth. 420's post on another thread about the F/O being the one to save the day with any Capt Incap is spot on. Not that that should be the only reason of course. Both guys up there in front are operating the aircraft with big responsibility. Of course the Capt being the most experienced and ultimately responsible merits higher pay, but the gap should not be so ridiculously wide.
Unfortunately we also have to see it from the other side, and Tony F. is after all a business man (with politician sprinkles) and he pays F/O's what he does simply bacause he can.
For the pilots working there there IS a bigger picture out there. And no doubt those with ambition will move on to major carriers. There's more to flying life than an LCC experience and lifestyle.
Make no mistake AK is a great stepping stone. It deserves your best while you are a Pilot there because remember YOU are a Professional. However you don’t have to remain quiet to the on going issues there and should fight for your market value. I am in an airline where F/O's are treated with the utmost respect and worth. 420's post on another thread about the F/O being the one to save the day with any Capt Incap is spot on. Not that that should be the only reason of course. Both guys up there in front are operating the aircraft with big responsibility. Of course the Capt being the most experienced and ultimately responsible merits higher pay, but the gap should not be so ridiculously wide.
Unfortunately we also have to see it from the other side, and Tony F. is after all a business man (with politician sprinkles) and he pays F/O's what he does simply bacause he can.