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I couldnt agree less.Let us stand together choose a good time to embarras TF.I guess 14feb is a suitable time as honourable PM is scheadule to lunch Airasia X bla bla at lcct.Can One tell me where in the world in avaition history an attendent earn more than a bus driver?
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For the sake of fairness I think the Cabin Crew making more money than the F/O is only on the Air Asia X flights as they are long haul. And thats for the hourly allowance.
Good luck to the guys (and girl) that have ambition and have left or are leaving to further their flying career.
If anyone from Air Asia has an Emirates interview, PM me in advance.
By the way how is ICAO level 6 English going on at AK?
Good luck to the guys (and girl) that have ambition and have left or are leaving to further their flying career.
If anyone from Air Asia has an Emirates interview, PM me in advance.
By the way how is ICAO level 6 English going on at AK?
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Good luck to the guys (and girl) that have ambition and have left or are leaving to further their flying career
as for the level sixes... none so far. yeap. the highest clocked to my knowledge are level 5's.
Talk about substandards when you get ppl like air chainga wang wang wang getting level 6. absurd.
as for cabin crew earning more than fo's,of course its absurd and unheard of,but yes its only for the X-crew...but still...unheard of i admit. but sad to say,the cabin crew DO deserve it as they work their butts off on every flight and the pay that they WERE receiving (some still are mind you who are not part of X) is ridiculously low and some of them have families to take care of. so its about time. of course i totally agree that its a "worldwide LAW" so called that fo's should earn more...thats why a lot of ppl are pissed of at TF,but like 1013 said....in all fairness... the cabin crew do DESERVE what they are earning
and flyeast,either get your facts right (and english right) or get out of this forum and stop humiliating yourself
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Yes it finally happen.... in Indonesia, this weeked. a FEW captains and FO's called in sick and attended the eithad walkin seminar
8 flights were cancelled, out of the 8, 3 flights where to KUL...the rest to other destinations in Indonesia. There where huge back log of pax..some very angry.
the people I feel sorry for are the guest services.
There where no rescue flights from KUL because there where no crew to fly the excess plastic toy planes, even after the CGK station manager pleaded with Ground zero (Eagle OPS....) , fell on very deaf ears....
as for Md737...excess pay for cabin crew.. That why I am leaving this disney land airline... with mickey, minie, goofy etc for management. I know FO salary will never be 70% of captain pay in AA...that's FACT, as long as TF
is AROUND. Thats how much respect they give FO's
I am not angry with my brothers and sisters (cabin crew) ..they do work hard on long haul and on short haul...especially to destination in china.
How can a FO earn so little
....there is no justification for this
Now it time for me to log out, so I can prepare the load sheet, trim sheet, TODA, breakfast, lunch and high tea for tomarrow..(before I get cut down by my non-CRM captain) I might even treat myself and curl up with my bank balance and cry my self to sleep.
nite nite
8 flights were cancelled, out of the 8, 3 flights where to KUL...the rest to other destinations in Indonesia. There where huge back log of pax..some very angry. the people I feel sorry for are the guest services.There where no rescue flights from KUL because there where no crew to fly the excess plastic toy planes, even after the CGK station manager pleaded with Ground zero (Eagle OPS....) , fell on very deaf ears....
as for Md737...excess pay for cabin crew.. That why I am leaving this disney land airline... with mickey, minie, goofy etc for management. I know FO salary will never be 70% of captain pay in AA...that's FACT, as long as TF
is AROUND. Thats how much respect they give FO'sI am not angry with my brothers and sisters (cabin crew) ..they do work hard on long haul and on short haul...especially to destination in china.
How can a FO earn so little
....there is no justification for thisNow it time for me to log out, so I can prepare the load sheet, trim sheet, TODA, breakfast, lunch and high tea for tomarrow..(before I get cut down by my non-CRM captain) I might even treat myself and curl up with my bank balance and cry my self to sleep.
nite nite
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there will be alot to go over the nxt few months...most have a bond and need to find a way to sort this out..pilots are already going...two cpts and an f/o are the latest....a few f/o's left already...there is a pay increase coming but i won't hold my breath for a big jump on the pay.
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Dear all,
There are those amongst you that have called me a geriatric old fool
relegated to a rocking chair 
and that all my ranting and raving about TF and AK were totally incorrect. 
Now, why don't you look into the archives and read my previous posts again. What you guys are bitching about is what I wrote about and predicted years ago. 
Maybe some times Grand Pa does have some insight.
NATO is probably correct when it comes to the airfarts and chinny chin chin and cohorts. But, now is the time to make a difference in your lives. It's called AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
Wooblah.
There are those amongst you that have called me a geriatric old fool
relegated to a rocking chair and that all my ranting and raving about TF and AK were totally incorrect. Now, why don't you look into the archives and read my previous posts again. What you guys are bitching about is what I wrote about and predicted years ago. Maybe some times Grand Pa does have some insight.
NATO is probably correct when it comes to the airfarts and chinny chin chin and cohorts. But, now is the time to make a difference in your lives. It's called AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
Wooblah.
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wooblah,
i have been reading all you threads in the last few years about tf and ak.
if there is one guy that deserves credit for standing up and writing the truth about tf and ak it should be you.
hats off to you and wooblah please dont you stop....keep it going!!!!
i have been reading all you threads in the last few years about tf and ak.
if there is one guy that deserves credit for standing up and writing the truth about tf and ak it should be you.
hats off to you and wooblah please dont you stop....keep it going!!!!
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ah well....finally wooblah has arrived.
dear sir,
i dont recall ever going against you when you say anything in regards to TF. we only absolutely disagree when you run yr mouth on standards of pilots here and safety...which is absolutely narrow minded and un-true.
No doubt there are a few idiots who have to be weeded out...but the plant is generally good.
maybe you should refer to your archives first.
this thread and endless bitching is about the fatarse TF who puts his own welfare and company advertising and branding before the very staff that keep the airline running. thats it. but still...despite all this,hats off to the pilots (not the weeds) who maintain professionalism at work and leave the bitching for teh tarik and beer sessions and of course prune
virtual reality,
NATO? more and more things are brewing here day by day. 2 FO's are already waiting for offer letters from etihad but sadly they require a release letter from ak which TF and gang are very unlikely to give...which is pretty much holding them back. but im sure they are gonna work it out and believe me...they will leave. As for those of us who stay...its not called NATO. its called personal reasons and aims in life. no pilot is happy here....except chinny,CM and gang...who i bet are leaning on the unhappy side slightly anyway. but the rest of us who stay have got good solid reasons to do so and plans in life. you on the other hand are probably one of those guys who jump here and there chasing cash and in the business not for the love of flying. probably. there are a lot of things to consider when leaving an airline. some of us are smart enough to know the right time to thats all. the right time for us...not for the company or the availability in the airline world.
so wooblah,to make it clear...rant on about TF and we shall join in gladly. but never about standards...
VR...NATO??
dear sir,
i dont recall ever going against you when you say anything in regards to TF. we only absolutely disagree when you run yr mouth on standards of pilots here and safety...which is absolutely narrow minded and un-true.
No doubt there are a few idiots who have to be weeded out...but the plant is generally good.
maybe you should refer to your archives first.
this thread and endless bitching is about the fatarse TF who puts his own welfare and company advertising and branding before the very staff that keep the airline running. thats it. but still...despite all this,hats off to the pilots (not the weeds) who maintain professionalism at work and leave the bitching for teh tarik and beer sessions and of course prune
virtual reality,
NATO? more and more things are brewing here day by day. 2 FO's are already waiting for offer letters from etihad but sadly they require a release letter from ak which TF and gang are very unlikely to give...which is pretty much holding them back. but im sure they are gonna work it out and believe me...they will leave. As for those of us who stay...its not called NATO. its called personal reasons and aims in life. no pilot is happy here....except chinny,CM and gang...who i bet are leaning on the unhappy side slightly anyway. but the rest of us who stay have got good solid reasons to do so and plans in life. you on the other hand are probably one of those guys who jump here and there chasing cash and in the business not for the love of flying. probably. there are a lot of things to consider when leaving an airline. some of us are smart enough to know the right time to thats all. the right time for us...not for the company or the availability in the airline world.
so wooblah,to make it clear...rant on about TF and we shall join in gladly. but never about standards...
VR...NATO??
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I wouldn't be storing the rocking chair up in the attic and don't burn the admission letter to an old folks' home I sent you just yet Woobly.
As you put it in an earlier post, we have crossed swords. But I remember taking out my sword only when you make unintelligent claims regarding the standards and safety of this airline and its pilots. I won't accept your load of c... no matter how big an aircraft you fly or how many many log books you have filled. You obviously have something personal against TF while we're here ranting about TF on his conduct mistreating his own pilots who he asks to do extra when he doesn't appreciate or recognise it with sensible compensation. He further makes bs remarks of an incoming recession and 'brotherly' advice that one could be sacked in another airline. We're not that stupid.
Woobly when exactly have you gone on this vendetta of yours these past few years in the interest of your fellow pilots in AirAsia? Never. You just dislike the company and no one will know why unless you reveal it yourself. So don't be claiming yourself as a visionary rights activist of some sort now or I will have to direct people to your very smart prediction of AirAsia shares going down to RM1 (or somewhere there). Or to your very sarcastic question on the AirAsia A330 lying idle at the cargo apron suggesting it's doomed to failure. Or that TF is a crook etc etc.
Lastly, I welcome any suggestions from you as an experienced airline pilot on how your fellow pilots in AK should tackle this issue of not being appreciated for all the work put in. Or just refrain from saying anything until your dream of AirAsia failing comes true because that seems to be your reason of existence here and not for the welfare of Asian Express pilots.
PS - I see you got yourself another clueless groupie
As you put it in an earlier post, we have crossed swords. But I remember taking out my sword only when you make unintelligent claims regarding the standards and safety of this airline and its pilots. I won't accept your load of c... no matter how big an aircraft you fly or how many many log books you have filled. You obviously have something personal against TF while we're here ranting about TF on his conduct mistreating his own pilots who he asks to do extra when he doesn't appreciate or recognise it with sensible compensation. He further makes bs remarks of an incoming recession and 'brotherly' advice that one could be sacked in another airline. We're not that stupid.
Woobly when exactly have you gone on this vendetta of yours these past few years in the interest of your fellow pilots in AirAsia? Never. You just dislike the company and no one will know why unless you reveal it yourself. So don't be claiming yourself as a visionary rights activist of some sort now or I will have to direct people to your very smart prediction of AirAsia shares going down to RM1 (or somewhere there). Or to your very sarcastic question on the AirAsia A330 lying idle at the cargo apron suggesting it's doomed to failure. Or that TF is a crook etc etc.
Lastly, I welcome any suggestions from you as an experienced airline pilot on how your fellow pilots in AK should tackle this issue of not being appreciated for all the work put in. Or just refrain from saying anything until your dream of AirAsia failing comes true because that seems to be your reason of existence here and not for the welfare of Asian Express pilots.
PS - I see you got yourself another clueless groupie
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Hi 420,
I don't bitch and bite the hand that FEEDS me and my family. If I am not happy I will pack my bags and say goodbye to whoever that crosses my path. Unlike you, mumbling and jumbling and hoping others will quit so that you will get the benefits.
Two buckets policy applies everywhere I go.........
I don't bitch and bite the hand that FEEDS me and my family. If I am not happy I will pack my bags and say goodbye to whoever that crosses my path. Unlike you, mumbling and jumbling and hoping others will quit so that you will get the benefits.
Two buckets policy applies everywhere I go.........
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If I am not happy I will pack my bags and say goodbye to whoever that crosses my path
come on man...you mean to tell me your'e totally happy in whatever airline your'e in? please. of course so your pay is good,but if thats the reason your'e staying,then your'e obviously in this business for the cash and not for the flying.
me asking pilots to leave for my benefit??? kindly refer to my previous post giving advise to my fellow collegues regarding whether they leave or not. i am waiting out in ak for reasons of my own. and it has got nothing to do with benefits...TF gives NO benefits. when the time is right....mark my words,i shall leave,but until then,i will wait patiently and bite the bullet because sometimes one has no choice and there are more important things in life!
now all my bitching and ranting is just me expressing my dissatisfaction and supporting all those who want to leave (those who can and want to) as what is going on here is terrible.
but you moving the minute someone crosses yr path?? ive seen yr posts as well in history and how you bitch. dont be a hypocrit cos ill never buy it...unless you are at EK which SEEMS to be the only picture perfect place to be in nowdays...for now
save the macho-ness la...seen it all before in this airline.
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TF is having a pilots briefing now eh? 100$ bet the captains vs fo ratio will be at least 10:1 attending this so called briefing a.k.a. storytime and the ratio of kiss-asses to unhappy staff shall be 900:1!
come on big guy,we've been to your "briefings" before. after yr usual speeches about airasia on how successful we are after just 2 aircrafts and buying over the company for rm1 and clearing out millioin dollar debts,youre gonna start sweet talking everyone about bonuses and empty promises of pay rises and share options etc. and also yr "plans" for the future of airasia.
followed by the fun bit... "any questions? remember we are one family,and we maintain a transparent relationship. anything you want to voice out please do and we'll do everything possible to make this place better for you"
translation: any questions? dont ask me about bloody pay rise cos i hate that question cos how am i gonna get my money to pay off my apartments and cars and clubs and women? and of course money for the stuff im sponsoring? other than money...please voice out yr opinion,chances are ill relate it to money and ill disregard it anyway...but please...speak up so i can seem liberal and we can actually meet the 2 hour quota i catered for this meeting. thank you
come on big guy,we've been to your "briefings" before. after yr usual speeches about airasia on how successful we are after just 2 aircrafts and buying over the company for rm1 and clearing out millioin dollar debts,youre gonna start sweet talking everyone about bonuses and empty promises of pay rises and share options etc. and also yr "plans" for the future of airasia.
followed by the fun bit... "any questions? remember we are one family,and we maintain a transparent relationship. anything you want to voice out please do and we'll do everything possible to make this place better for you"
translation: any questions? dont ask me about bloody pay rise cos i hate that question cos how am i gonna get my money to pay off my apartments and cars and clubs and women? and of course money for the stuff im sponsoring? other than money...please voice out yr opinion,chances are ill relate it to money and ill disregard it anyway...but please...speak up so i can seem liberal and we can actually meet the 2 hour quota i catered for this meeting. thank you
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This man "420" seem to be very bitter with Tf.. Was he one that was thrown out of senior management by Tf after several f**k ups ?? 
Qoute "DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU"
Was he one that was thrown out of senior management by Tf after several f**k ups ?? Qoute "DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU"
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Dear chrome
I’ve been involved in this forum for almost 4 years, and I try not to create any rumour or an untruth story in this forum, even though the name of this forum is professional pilot RUMOUR network. So when I just came for my leave yesterday I gathered some information that maybe useful for you.
Flight to Jakarta that I’m talked about was flight ak954 on the 1st of February 2008, the PIC ( Indonesian ) just joining the company for about 5 months,the FO started his career in AK ( Cadet ). By luck I know the PIC quit well, because we’re together in Tolouse last year doing an SFI course, a quit humble person with 7 years experience flying Airbus, and one of the first pilot from far east who got JAA Switzerland ATP on the age of 23 in 1998 ( I was in BALAIR in 1998 and he was flying for Swissair ) , he was also the 1st Indonesian pilot joining QR, and involved in the recruitment and training for almost 5 years. The flight departed from KL on time ( 14.40lt ), when they were in contact with s’pore radar, they advised them that Jakarta closed since 08.20lt. Crew tried to contact Flt ops in KL, since they not been informed that Jakarta Int’l airport was closed, and no information on the NOTAM and Forecast wx is still within limit. Until they are out of reach, Flt ops ( your eagle ops ) unable to give any information to the crew. PIC decided to continue the flight to Jakarta, at that time most of alternate aerodrome was closed due weather or Full of a/c diverted ( PLM, SUB, HLM, DPS ) , Jakarta radar give them Solo airport as there alternate aerodrome and inform them that airport closed not because of low visibility but because of flooding on the runway due to heavy rain in the morning . At 15.10, ak 952 make holding over bunik at FL 270, PIC decided to contact Tower to know an update situation in the airport, Fortunately the ATC is his friend in the Flying school, so he can talk freely with their language and got an update condition of the runway. 15.40, ak952 landed in Jakarta airport, using only half of the runway 07L, because 1000m end of the runway filled with standing water ( 4mm-8mm ), while 07R still closed. Ak flight was the first a/c landed in Jakarta Soekarno Hatta airport that day ( its in the local news paper , Kompas and Suara pembaruan 2nd feb 2008 ), and most of the pax stranded in the airport until midnight because lack of transportation facility in the airport.
please excuse my english, since i'm not british, or born/leaving in ex british colonial, and my icao english test score in only 4 not 6 like all korean pilots. but i'm quit happy, for 17 years of flying in europe i'm not involve in any incident or CRM problem because of my English. Cheers...
I’ve been involved in this forum for almost 4 years, and I try not to create any rumour or an untruth story in this forum, even though the name of this forum is professional pilot RUMOUR network. So when I just came for my leave yesterday I gathered some information that maybe useful for you.
Flight to Jakarta that I’m talked about was flight ak954 on the 1st of February 2008, the PIC ( Indonesian ) just joining the company for about 5 months,the FO started his career in AK ( Cadet ). By luck I know the PIC quit well, because we’re together in Tolouse last year doing an SFI course, a quit humble person with 7 years experience flying Airbus, and one of the first pilot from far east who got JAA Switzerland ATP on the age of 23 in 1998 ( I was in BALAIR in 1998 and he was flying for Swissair ) , he was also the 1st Indonesian pilot joining QR, and involved in the recruitment and training for almost 5 years. The flight departed from KL on time ( 14.40lt ), when they were in contact with s’pore radar, they advised them that Jakarta closed since 08.20lt. Crew tried to contact Flt ops in KL, since they not been informed that Jakarta Int’l airport was closed, and no information on the NOTAM and Forecast wx is still within limit. Until they are out of reach, Flt ops ( your eagle ops ) unable to give any information to the crew. PIC decided to continue the flight to Jakarta, at that time most of alternate aerodrome was closed due weather or Full of a/c diverted ( PLM, SUB, HLM, DPS ) , Jakarta radar give them Solo airport as there alternate aerodrome and inform them that airport closed not because of low visibility but because of flooding on the runway due to heavy rain in the morning . At 15.10, ak 952 make holding over bunik at FL 270, PIC decided to contact Tower to know an update situation in the airport, Fortunately the ATC is his friend in the Flying school, so he can talk freely with their language and got an update condition of the runway. 15.40, ak952 landed in Jakarta airport, using only half of the runway 07L, because 1000m end of the runway filled with standing water ( 4mm-8mm ), while 07R still closed. Ak flight was the first a/c landed in Jakarta Soekarno Hatta airport that day ( its in the local news paper , Kompas and Suara pembaruan 2nd feb 2008 ), and most of the pax stranded in the airport until midnight because lack of transportation facility in the airport.
please excuse my english, since i'm not british, or born/leaving in ex british colonial, and my icao english test score in only 4 not 6 like all korean pilots. but i'm quit happy, for 17 years of flying in europe i'm not involve in any incident or CRM problem because of my English. Cheers...