Beijing PanAm - disrespect and humiliation of instructors
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MR. WOOD The last sentence is the best of all.
Yea go to Saipan, you gonna love that place! may be you should ask the stealth he is there (and trying to get out!)
Nothing is free, you gave advice (a bad one too) to make YOU feel better.
Yea go to Saipan, you gonna love that place! may be you should ask the stealth he is there (and trying to get out!)
Nothing is free, you gave advice (a bad one too) to make YOU feel better.
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HAHA The stealth....
I heard the stories.. now I know who it was..
I still find it very funny.. in a way, I was the same.. except I wasn't stealthy about it. I just sat on my bum for 9 months trying to pass that stupid CAAC exam..
I heard the stories.. now I know who it was..
I still find it very funny.. in a way, I was the same.. except I wasn't stealthy about it. I just sat on my bum for 9 months trying to pass that stupid CAAC exam..
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What happened?
I heard an inconclusive rumor about an incident or accident.
What happened? Nigajiga
MR. Wood...... You have been ignored, I find no joy on talking with your "kid" of people!
What happened? Nigajiga
MR. Wood...... You have been ignored, I find no joy on talking with your "kid" of people!
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yet another accident in Panam!
From our informers beyond the border:
"The pilot was practicing an 'emergency descent', he sratched up the wing and canopy quite a bit, and landed with the wire trailing from the airplane.
They put the airplane in the hangar, canceled all the VIP flights because they didn't want the Singapore Investors to see it, and grounded the pilot without pay.
The CAAC was not notified, and they threatened the Chinese Staff if they opened their mouth."
Stand by for more juicy infos and thank you for flying the friendly skies!
"The pilot was practicing an 'emergency descent', he sratched up the wing and canopy quite a bit, and landed with the wire trailing from the airplane.
They put the airplane in the hangar, canceled all the VIP flights because they didn't want the Singapore Investors to see it, and grounded the pilot without pay.
The CAAC was not notified, and they threatened the Chinese Staff if they opened their mouth."
Stand by for more juicy infos and thank you for flying the friendly skies!
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Out of the tiger's mouth into the crocodile's jaws
Oooo, . . . no wonder the HMA students say that there's a few ex-Beijing Pan Am instructors joining them. Pity though, it's like getting themselves out of the Tiger's Jaw and walking straight into a Crocodile's BIG Jaws. HMA is no different mates. They even stop your salary if you give notice to quit, let alone get into an incident like that. I heard because of this a few instructors just picked up their bags and left after getting paid for the month . . . hee hee hee . . . . smart move. Wonder how the Beijing guys manage to leave? 
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I agree with Always Moving, it would be better to come clean now than risk in the future. Aviation is a small world, I think that this thread is the proof and it's much better not have this skeletons in the closet.
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Will I'm glad your ok..
Now, since I'm fed up with Pan Am..
I would do whatever I could to shut Pan Am down... While this particular incident was pilot-error.. it should be enough for those investors, the CAAC, and all other foreign pilots, to get a message through to Pan Am that they are a dangerous company.. this is no worse than forging documents (BTW since most of Class 1 can't pass their own airline's exams due to forged documents on Class 1 students' papers as a result of Pan Am's incompetence). So, since all of the instructors are on a nice little vacation again.. why don't some of you just stand up and go to the CAAC? Sneak into the hangar. Take pictures. Send them all over the internet. Singapore investors have internet too.
Someone should start a Wiki thread about BPIAA. That'll clearly show the rest of the world the hazards of flight training with corrupt management who value the size of their pockets over the quality and safety of their employees and students.
Basically, I have a strong belief that if no one does anyone to escalate this situation further, then it's only going to lead to the inevitable. Someone will crash, someone will die. It happens all the time in aviation.. however you all know damn well it's more likely when you have poor fuel, poor maintenance, low standards in training, document forging, private pilot training in IMC, unethical business practices, and lord knows what else; so what are you all waiting for?
Now, since I'm fed up with Pan Am..
I would do whatever I could to shut Pan Am down... While this particular incident was pilot-error.. it should be enough for those investors, the CAAC, and all other foreign pilots, to get a message through to Pan Am that they are a dangerous company.. this is no worse than forging documents (BTW since most of Class 1 can't pass their own airline's exams due to forged documents on Class 1 students' papers as a result of Pan Am's incompetence). So, since all of the instructors are on a nice little vacation again.. why don't some of you just stand up and go to the CAAC? Sneak into the hangar. Take pictures. Send them all over the internet. Singapore investors have internet too.
Someone should start a Wiki thread about BPIAA. That'll clearly show the rest of the world the hazards of flight training with corrupt management who value the size of their pockets over the quality and safety of their employees and students.
Basically, I have a strong belief that if no one does anyone to escalate this situation further, then it's only going to lead to the inevitable. Someone will crash, someone will die. It happens all the time in aviation.. however you all know damn well it's more likely when you have poor fuel, poor maintenance, low standards in training, document forging, private pilot training in IMC, unethical business practices, and lord knows what else; so what are you all waiting for?
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Not ALWAYS!
Besides have you ever heard of TOR or anonymouse?
http://anonymouse.org
http://tor.eff.org/
OK, ok I am a smart ass I know!
The first one is a program that bounce you off from server to servers the second one is a web page that does something similar. It is a bit slower but it goes thru the "great wall"
Great tip ha?
your welcome
Besides have you ever heard of TOR or anonymouse?
http://anonymouse.org
http://tor.eff.org/
OK, ok I am a smart ass I know!
The first one is a program that bounce you off from server to servers the second one is a web page that does something similar. It is a bit slower but it goes thru the "great wall"
Great tip ha?
your welcome
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little suggestion
It's only an idea but the CAAC likes paperwork, why not collecting nice pictures, reports and some other paperwork etc...
When you do something, do it very well... only "excellence" like many russian cargo pilots would say.
The upper-management will get the same amount of respect what they gave us.
When you do something, do it very well... only "excellence" like many russian cargo pilots would say.
The upper-management will get the same amount of respect what they gave us.
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Hey guys, I heard you are trying to stir the pot!
Does this mean that I will be able to obtain my permanent license that has been closed on Ted's drawer for more than 13 months???
Does this mean that I will be able to obtain my permanent license that has been closed on Ted's drawer for more than 13 months???
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Hey Danieluk, it's good to hear from ya!
I miss your smart ass comments they made me laugh so much in Shiz!
AM, I used to use anonymouse but I found it wasn't good...
I used pagewash.com until China's government finally grew a brain and blocked it...
but I used a better one in Wuhai, I just can't remember the site because I haven't had to use it since I left China
I miss your smart ass comments they made me laugh so much in Shiz!
AM, I used to use anonymouse but I found it wasn't good...
I used pagewash.com until China's government finally grew a brain and blocked it...
but I used a better one in Wuhai, I just can't remember the site because I haven't had to use it since I left China