Beijing PanAm - disrespect and humiliation of instructors
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"You think the FAA and ICAO wants to get involved in a piing contest with China CAAC? No way, dude!! Too much politics and money involved. Plus, where's the evidence? you think they're going to take the word of all these phantoms?"
Au contraire, Genghis Khan,
I was at the phone today with an FAA inspector, and he told me that FAA would be delighted to know about the mess that one of their pilot did. No matter where, no matter when, he is still an FAA pilot, and he will be until his license is revoked, suspended or surrendered.
Au contraire, Genghis Khan,
I was at the phone today with an FAA inspector, and he told me that FAA would be delighted to know about the mess that one of their pilot did. No matter where, no matter when, he is still an FAA pilot, and he will be until his license is revoked, suspended or surrendered.
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Wanted King Air Pilots!
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen!
We need new King Air Instructors!
MinimumTT 1600 ME 250 Dual Given 800 or less TT if you have more experience on ME.
To fly as a CJ1 instructor: TT 450
Where is the catch?
Have nice flights and watch your 6
Flytoo
We need new King Air Instructors!
MinimumTT 1600 ME 250 Dual Given 800 or less TT if you have more experience on ME.
To fly as a CJ1 instructor: TT 450
Where is the catch?Have nice flights and watch your 6
Flytoo
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flytoo you are wrong
flytoo
i'm sorry you got confused there: those requirements you mention are not for a king air, they are for the panam space shuttle
here are the official requirements for the panam king air:
1-be good friends with the current safety manager (who is supposed to run very soon),
2-be good friends with the baotou chief pilot (who is rumored to run very soon),
3-be good friends with the baotou standards manager (the grapevine says he will make a dash for it very soon),
4-and of course be good friends with the chinese directors (who dont give a damn about whats going on anyway)
i'm sorry you got confused there: those requirements you mention are not for a king air, they are for the panam space shuttle
here are the official requirements for the panam king air:
1-be good friends with the current safety manager (who is supposed to run very soon),
2-be good friends with the baotou chief pilot (who is rumored to run very soon),
3-be good friends with the baotou standards manager (the grapevine says he will make a dash for it very soon),
4-and of course be good friends with the chinese directors (who dont give a damn about whats going on anyway)
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Captainred
Hi Captainred!
Thanks for the reply: I had a good laugh today thanks to you!
By the way, what are the requirements for the Extra 300 we were supposed to get soon ( dixit on January meeting )? and the extra 700 students? when do they arrive?
When will all these guys run? A lot of talking about runners but they don't do it very quickly
I think they love their positions and income and will stay: here you are wrong.
The chinese care: just a different way and a different culture.
Enjoy your flights in Aruba!
Flytoo
Thanks for the reply: I had a good laugh today thanks to you!
By the way, what are the requirements for the Extra 300 we were supposed to get soon ( dixit on January meeting )? and the extra 700 students? when do they arrive?
When will all these guys run? A lot of talking about runners but they don't do it very quickly
I think they love their positions and income and will stay: here you are wrong.The chinese care: just a different way and a different culture.
Enjoy your flights in Aruba!
Flytoo
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YES
Yes I think they should know!
But I have a feeling that YOU Higer/Faster are not going to be the one, since if you were going to do it you already would of done it and not ask in this forum, don't you think. I lost my faith in people, but there is always hope.
Hey POD! you need a break from work! you are working too hard and need some relive from the panamers, aren't you
Keep up the good work and pray at least 3 times a day. Now that I think of it if you pray that much.... work is gonna accumulate! Take care!
But I have a feeling that YOU Higer/Faster are not going to be the one, since if you were going to do it you already would of done it and not ask in this forum, don't you think. I lost my faith in people, but there is always hope.
Hey POD! you need a break from work! you are working too hard and need some relive from the panamers, aren't you
Keep up the good work and pray at least 3 times a day. Now that I think of it if you pray that much.... work is gonna accumulate! Take care!
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Hey, Moving!!
We've already complained, dude! She's protected by higher powers. Big powers! Untouchable! No way, dude!!
We could ask the beneficient chief flight instructor or his side-kick to do something, but he's too busy gawking over his upcoming King Air training, and he doesn't even meet the qualifications he requires of everyone else in the company!!..
Hope you're reading these posts, CFI..!!!!
We could ask the beneficient chief flight instructor or his side-kick to do something, but he's too busy gawking over his upcoming King Air training, and he doesn't even meet the qualifications he requires of everyone else in the company!!..
Hope you're reading these posts, CFI..!!!!
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How do you like this one... panam sitcom # 1001
As of yesterday Mr Chief Chinese GS has a couple great intentions.
Someone who used to work for the admin. dept who made the change to the ground school department is going to teach a couple chapters from the ATPL course. She barely can make the difference between the front and the back of an aircraft. But hey, who cares....
Persons with a good knowledge, even groundschool experience are put on the side ... Let's go chinese (backworths) and ignoring westerners.
I'm worried about the time that those guys (students) are going to sit in an airline and encouter an 'Unusual' situation. On what knowlegde is their decision going to be based ?
Someone who used to work for the admin. dept who made the change to the ground school department is going to teach a couple chapters from the ATPL course. She barely can make the difference between the front and the back of an aircraft. But hey, who cares....
Persons with a good knowledge, even groundschool experience are put on the side ... Let's go chinese (backworths) and ignoring westerners.
I'm worried about the time that those guys (students) are going to sit in an airline and encouter an 'Unusual' situation. On what knowlegde is their decision going to be based ?
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Hey anyways who needs to have aviation knowledge when the only thing they teach is how to memorize the questions ? It's not that hard to go all over the questions of the book and give the answers listed ! Even a chinese could do it, well actually only a chinese would do it !!! hahaha
In China as you know (as we experienced it ourselves down south first hand), you don't even need a license to operate as a dispatcher or worse, a controller ! So for sure you don't need any knowledge to give GS instruction.
This place is just a big ass joke !
Good luck and take care !
Larry
hahahaIn China as you know (as we experienced it ourselves down south first hand), you don't even need a license to operate as a dispatcher or worse, a controller ! So for sure you don't need any knowledge to give GS instruction.
This place is just a big ass joke !
Good luck and take care !
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CCAR's
AGAIN!
You, do not need, necessarily, a license to give 141 GS. READ THE CCAR's. what you need is the CFI endorsement.
So on that respect your joke is not that good Larry, but we get your point!
(details, details, details...... we do not want to imitate them!)
You, do not need, necessarily, a license to give 141 GS. READ THE CCAR's. what you need is the CFI endorsement.
So on that respect your joke is not that good Larry, but we get your point!
(details, details, details...... we do not want to imitate them!)
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Hmmm!
Moving,
the regs also say that the CGI has to have at least 1 year experience as a ground instructor at a certificated school, dude. He don't have it!!!
Different subject: It's verified - the safety manger (former GM), and the former CFI have resigned!!! ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!!
Oh, what does the future hold for us now?
Good Luck, HD.....I'll miss seeing you around, dude!
the regs also say that the CGI has to have at least 1 year experience as a ground instructor at a certificated school, dude. He don't have it!!!
Different subject: It's verified - the safety manger (former GM), and the former CFI have resigned!!! ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!!
Oh, what does the future hold for us now?
Good Luck, HD.....I'll miss seeing you around, dude!
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Always Moving,
If you read my post again, I was not talking about having any kind of license to teach GS, but only talking about knowledge (I was mentioning the license for the dispatchers and controllers only as a reference). Having somebody teaching GS with absolutely no aviation knowledge whatsoever is just a big nonsense. But hey, it's China !
If you read my post again, I was not talking about having any kind of license to teach GS, but only talking about knowledge (I was mentioning the license for the dispatchers and controllers only as a reference). Having somebody teaching GS with absolutely no aviation knowledge whatsoever is just a big nonsense. But hey, it's China !
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To bribe or not to bribe?
That's the question!
If you want something in China, are you ready to bribe the guy in charge? How do you know that he is expecting a bribe? the rumour is that the guy in charge of the licences at Panam expects some bribes. But didn't mention anything!
Then, you wait and wait and wait. And he is telling everybody fairy tales about the FAA, the CAAC and excuses of all kinds. And you wait!
How long can you wait for a chinese licence??
If you want something in China, are you ready to bribe the guy in charge? How do you know that he is expecting a bribe? the rumour is that the guy in charge of the licences at Panam expects some bribes. But didn't mention anything!
Then, you wait and wait and wait. And he is telling everybody fairy tales about the FAA, the CAAC and excuses of all kinds. And you wait!
How long can you wait for a chinese licence??
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To bribe or not to bribe?
That's the question!
If you want something in China, are you ready to bribe the guy in charge? How do you know that he is expecting a bribe?
the rumour is that the guy in charge of the licences at Panam expects some bribes. But didn't mention anything!
Then, you wait and wait and wait. And he is telling everybody fairy tales about the FAA, the CAAC and excuses of all kinds. And you wait!
How long can you wait for a chinese licence??
Some guys here are already been waiting for more than 4 months and the end of the contract is at the end of the tunnel. Can one of them actually stay a whole contract without doing any flight instruction?
We will see and get you informed!
Wherever you are, you will fly more than here, therefore don't come to China!
Good an pleasant dreams of flying!
Flytoo
By the way: who has the record? it would be interesting to know it!
If you want something in China, are you ready to bribe the guy in charge? How do you know that he is expecting a bribe?
the rumour is that the guy in charge of the licences at Panam expects some bribes. But didn't mention anything!
Then, you wait and wait and wait. And he is telling everybody fairy tales about the FAA, the CAAC and excuses of all kinds. And you wait!
How long can you wait for a chinese licence??
Some guys here are already been waiting for more than 4 months and the end of the contract is at the end of the tunnel. Can one of them actually stay a whole contract without doing any flight instruction?
We will see and get you informed!
Wherever you are, you will fly more than here, therefore don't come to China!
Good an pleasant dreams of flying!
Flytoo
By the way: who has the record? it would be interesting to know it!
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I say someone knows where the skeletons are buried!
I think it's over 9 months for the certificates, dude! Let's check the chinese corruption scale here:
1. falsification of Military Student logbooks ( I heard over 100 entries)
2. falsification of Class I medical
3. taking english test for chinese student (paid to do it and caught by CAAC, now promoted in Bautou)
4. falsified training records and TCO for Class I students to graduate (another promotion in the same office as the english taker)
And the foreigner get's fired for "not meeting the minimum flying hours in one month." Can someone please show me where that is written?
1. falsification of Military Student logbooks ( I heard over 100 entries)
2. falsification of Class I medical
3. taking english test for chinese student (paid to do it and caught by CAAC, now promoted in Bautou)
4. falsified training records and TCO for Class I students to graduate (another promotion in the same office as the english taker)
And the foreigner get's fired for "not meeting the minimum flying hours in one month." Can someone please show me where that is written?
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Everyone needs to do what's best for them! If that means staying in China, so be it, go to Jordan, Malaysia, Guam, wherever, just DO WHATS BEST FOR YOU We all know the Chinese management sucks, and it is only a matter of time before PanAm shuts down or moves to another country. Nothing will change anytime soon, deal with it or move on.
For those of you who are FAA certified, and want to work in the land of milk and honey, Skymates (http://www.skymates.com/news.shtml) has something on their website about foreign instructors with FAA credentials, and how you might be able to work there. Westwind School of Aeronautics in PHX also had something similar, so give them a call and see if you can work something out.
Chairman Mao thanks you for all your hard work to make China the next SUPERPOWER
We all know the Chinese management sucks, and it is only a matter of time before PanAm shuts down or moves to another country. Nothing will change anytime soon, deal with it or move on.For those of you who are FAA certified, and want to work in the land of milk and honey, Skymates (http://www.skymates.com/news.shtml) has something on their website about foreign instructors with FAA credentials, and how you might be able to work there. Westwind School of Aeronautics in PHX also had something similar, so give them a call and see if you can work something out.
Chairman Mao thanks you for all your hard work to make China the next SUPERPOWER
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M1 Advice
Careful with the M1 business! I do not think they are totally legal! (hence the way they write it in the website "come talk to me sunny"
Well they are legal to visit but not legal so you get paid.
And fly time, it has been considered pay before! so if you go that route be VERY CAREFUL
And obviously everyone does what is best for each own!
Well they are legal to visit but not legal so you get paid.
And fly time, it has been considered pay before! so if you go that route be VERY CAREFUL
And obviously everyone does what is best for each own!
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Instructor shortage in Asia!
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen!
This week, a flight school from Jordan is interviewing instructors from Panam. How many will leave?
A new chinese school is trying to hire Panam's instructors. It is run by an ex-manager from Panam. Pay rate is much higher (it has to be to attract some candidates)
The Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand are looking too.
CAE (from Canada) will start a joint venture with India to open a new academy.
Have a nice day! Check your magnetos!
Flytoo
This week, a flight school from Jordan is interviewing instructors from Panam. How many will leave?
A new chinese school is trying to hire Panam's instructors. It is run by an ex-manager from Panam. Pay rate is much higher (it has to be to attract some candidates
)The Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand are looking too.
CAE (from Canada) will start a joint venture with India to open a new academy.
Have a nice day! Check your magnetos!
Flytoo