Beijing PanAm - disrespect and humiliation of instructors
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From climbto350.com, August 6:
"BPIAA currently has over 400 students, 50 instructors, 49 aircraft..."
But what they fail to mention is that 300 of those students have been enrolled in the course since 2006 and have yet to step foot in an aircraft...
50% of the 50 instructors are leaving by the end of the season...
and only 10-15 of the 49 aircraft are actually usable. They forgot to include the DA40 that rearended a DA42 in flight, the 2 or 3 DA40's that got totalled by ground equipment during a thunderstorm, and the 20-30 aircraft that are sitting on the ground in Handan, Shijiazhuang, Baotou, and Wuhai that are broken, and waiting for parts & experienced mechanics to be fixed.
"BPIAA currently has over 400 students, 50 instructors, 49 aircraft..."
But what they fail to mention is that 300 of those students have been enrolled in the course since 2006 and have yet to step foot in an aircraft...
50% of the 50 instructors are leaving by the end of the season...
and only 10-15 of the 49 aircraft are actually usable. They forgot to include the DA40 that rearended a DA42 in flight, the 2 or 3 DA40's that got totalled by ground equipment during a thunderstorm, and the 20-30 aircraft that are sitting on the ground in Handan, Shijiazhuang, Baotou, and Wuhai that are broken, and waiting for parts & experienced mechanics to be fixed.
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Come on...
Come on guys. Lighten up. You guys are pioneers of aviation in China. You're all gonna write books one day. Let me tell ya bout the DA42. An Amazing aircraft! You can drop that gear at VNE!!! Let me tell ya bout the G1000. The most advanced avionics ever. Don't worry about doing your flight test with CAAC Airbus and Boeing Captains. They will be amazed and dazzled by the G1000. Don't Worry!! Nobody fails a flight test!!
I'm tellin ya we're getting more CJ's, Piaggios, Gulfstream......You'll all be Airbus Captain in China in 2 years. Why would you want to leave a place like this? Where are you gonna go..........where are you gonna go?
I'm tellin ya we're getting more CJ's, Piaggios, Gulfstream......You'll all be Airbus Captain in China in 2 years. Why would you want to leave a place like this? Where are you gonna go..........where are you gonna go?
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Whatever happend to
What happend to Toshi the old chief? He was a nice guy. Pan Am is a great place to be if you want to get drunk and chase whores. I love how deliciously jacked up that place is.
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failed flight test
Dirty D,
On the contrary, people do fail flight tests here. An instructor who adds a few knots on final for gust factor get's failed, dude! A certain female instructor in Bautou, (who is admired by certain Chinese Mangement), performs a Vmc demo in the 42 with full flaps, gear down, and PASSES!!! but, she has to have more dual before she can give instruction!!
Emb 145: the old chief left the same day HD left, dude. don't know where he's at. Rumor is HD is chief pilot for a 135 on some island.
I heard one the US schools have suspended training on panam students due to nonpayment!
Argh!! payday's the 25th.....
On the contrary, people do fail flight tests here. An instructor who adds a few knots on final for gust factor get's failed, dude! A certain female instructor in Bautou, (who is admired by certain Chinese Mangement), performs a Vmc demo in the 42 with full flaps, gear down, and PASSES!!! but, she has to have more dual before she can give instruction!!
Emb 145: the old chief left the same day HD left, dude. don't know where he's at. Rumor is HD is chief pilot for a 135 on some island.
I heard one the US schools have suspended training on panam students due to nonpayment!
Argh!! payday's the 25th.....
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"Rumor verification: I heard one of our former instructors got an email from the Chinese SVP threatening to sue him and revoke his CAAC certificate if he went to work at another school in China. Can anyone verify this?"
Khan, it's all true. Do you want to see the letter?
Supposingly, the company owns the rights of your license issuance in China. Did you know that with your medical certificate, you are also supposed to have the medical logbook, the one you filled the day of your medical check? Yours, as well as all the others, are inside a drawer in the Chinese management office. So, just in case you decide to move to another company they'll make things more complicated for you. Just as a hint, read the last page of your Chinese residency permit/work permit... if it is still in your possession.
I think by now they all know what happened to my license once I left PanAm
Now that they have replaced most of the foreign management with Chinese nationals how can they blame the lazy laowai's?
(for those of you who don't know, laowai is an unfriendly way of addressing foreigners in China)
Khan, it's all true. Do you want to see the letter?
Supposingly, the company owns the rights of your license issuance in China. Did you know that with your medical certificate, you are also supposed to have the medical logbook, the one you filled the day of your medical check? Yours, as well as all the others, are inside a drawer in the Chinese management office. So, just in case you decide to move to another company they'll make things more complicated for you. Just as a hint, read the last page of your Chinese residency permit/work permit... if it is still in your possession.
I think by now they all know what happened to my license once I left PanAm
Now that they have replaced most of the foreign management with Chinese nationals how can they blame the lazy laowai's?
(for those of you who don't know, laowai is an unfriendly way of addressing foreigners in China)
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I'm more interested to see if this "miracle move" to Canada is going to solve anything..
A few of the airlines have pulled their students out of the program and sent them to other places like CAFU..
But I'm still curious to see how they expect to train over 300 pilots with only maybe 20-30 foriegn flight instructors
A few of the airlines have pulled their students out of the program and sent them to other places like CAFU..
But I'm still curious to see how they expect to train over 300 pilots with only maybe 20-30 foriegn flight instructors
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When I worked there they promised up a job at a Chinese airline if we stayed for two contracts. I split wayyyyyyyy before 2 years. I never heard if anyone actually got a job at an airline there. I know there were a few guys that had been there since day one. They were coming up on the 2 year mark before i left. Anybody heard about that?
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Remember when everyone was like "how can we be teaching if we do not have a FI license" well there is a letter of authorization issue to every instructor to teach, which probably nobody has seen neither.
And the expert certificate? how do you figure... or you give me something that specifically said you should carry it or I do not pay you? WTF?
Also is it true the rumor about PanAm not paying the Flight School in the states and the school stopping the training of the student!
So not only they are not finishing people, but the ones that were sent to the us they are not paying up? PLEASE CONFIRMATION REQUIRED!
And the expert certificate? how do you figure... or you give me something that specifically said you should carry it or I do not pay you? WTF?
Also is it true the rumor about PanAm not paying the Flight School in the states and the school stopping the training of the student!
So not only they are not finishing people, but the ones that were sent to the us they are not paying up? PLEASE CONFIRMATION REQUIRED!
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training is OVER
"Also is it true the rumor about PanAm not paying the Flight School in the states and the school stopping the training of the student!
So not only they are not finishing people, but the ones that were sent to the us they are not paying up? PLEASE CONFIRMATION REQUIRED!"
Confirmed: PanAm is 2 and 1/2 months late on the payment.
To quote the manager of IATA, International Airline Training Acadney of Tucson, AZ, the flight school training PanAm cadets..."training is OVER".
If you think that the Chinese students were treated with tickets to the NBA game between Suns and Rockets to see Yao Ming playing... did Panam ever do anything like this for their the foreign instructors...???
So not only they are not finishing people, but the ones that were sent to the us they are not paying up? PLEASE CONFIRMATION REQUIRED!"
Confirmed: PanAm is 2 and 1/2 months late on the payment.
To quote the manager of IATA, International Airline Training Acadney of Tucson, AZ, the flight school training PanAm cadets..."training is OVER".
If you think that the Chinese students were treated with tickets to the NBA game between Suns and Rockets to see Yao Ming playing... did Panam ever do anything like this for their the foreign instructors...???
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King Air is back!
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen!
Here is the latest on the King Air;
It is back and flying again! I saw it with my own eyes!
Good news? bad news?
Who knows?
Happy flying and Merry Christmas
Flytoo
Here is the latest on the King Air;
It is back and flying again! I saw it with my own eyes!
Good news? bad news?
Who knows?Happy flying and Merry Christmas
Flytoo
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Instructor Incentives
"If you think that the Chinese students were treated with tickets to the NBA game between Suns and Rockets to see Yao Ming playing... did Panam ever do anything like this for their the foreign instructors...???"
Hey, Spaceman...we get treated like royalty here, dude. They took us on a bus trip to the middle of the Gobi Desert to watch camel's hump, or something. Never quite figured that trip out.
Flytoo: what about all those discrepancies on the King Air, dude. Were they repaired or (shssssh.....just ignored)
No worries!
Hey, Spaceman...we get treated like royalty here, dude. They took us on a bus trip to the middle of the Gobi Desert to watch camel's hump, or something. Never quite figured that trip out.
Flytoo: what about all those discrepancies on the King Air, dude. Were they repaired or (shssssh.....just ignored)
No worries!
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underpaid pilot market
"what about all those discrepancies on the King Air, dude. Were they repaired or (shssssh.....just ignored)"
Well, it's always the same old story: as long as there will be pilots that will prostitute themselves to fly turboprop for a few bucks just to build turbine time... there will be pilots starving because operators will keep salaries as low as they can. After all, who cares about safety if they don't fly IN the aircraft?
I'll tell you what... check here: http://forums.jetcareers.com/jobs-av...ded-dubai.html
CFI's Needed in Dubai - jetcareers
Well, it's always the same old story: as long as there will be pilots that will prostitute themselves to fly turboprop for a few bucks just to build turbine time... there will be pilots starving because operators will keep salaries as low as they can. After all, who cares about safety if they don't fly IN the aircraft?
I'll tell you what... check here: http://forums.jetcareers.com/jobs-av...ded-dubai.html
CFI's Needed in Dubai - jetcareers
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good grief!!
jesus things havent changed there at all!!
maybe someone can fill me in on something, does the 480hr pilot flying the CJ still teach his students (and anybody else's who would listen)to look out the side of the aircraft in the flare?
maybe someone can fill me in on something, does the 480hr pilot flying the CJ still teach his students (and anybody else's who would listen)to look out the side of the aircraft in the flare?
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H-3 work permit visa for non US citizens with FAA credentials
Now that in the US are recruiting non US citizens as CFI's, I bet things will get harder and harder in China!
Dreamline Recruiting is currently sponsoring H3 visas to FAA rated instructor. They are also provide assistance in gaining CFII and MEI for entry level CFI's and Housing!
Well, I guess this was in the air, giving the amount of pilots needed in the next few years and the impossibility to find US instructors, as they are all leaving for the airlines.
For those who need more info, search the usual websites or send me an email!
Cheers!
Dreamline Recruiting is currently sponsoring H3 visas to FAA rated instructor. They are also provide assistance in gaining CFII and MEI for entry level CFI's and Housing!
Well, I guess this was in the air, giving the amount of pilots needed in the next few years and the impossibility to find US instructors, as they are all leaving for the airlines.
For those who need more info, search the usual websites or send me an email!
Cheers!
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Malaysia school
Hello,
Also see: www.asiapacificflighttraining.com
they have DA 42 and are looking for CFIs.
More info on Dreamline Recruiting would be nice too.
happy flying and tailwind!
Flytoo
Also see: www.asiapacificflighttraining.com
they have DA 42 and are looking for CFIs.
More info on Dreamline Recruiting would be nice too.
happy flying and tailwind!
Flytoo
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there you go!
DREAMLINE RECRUITING
2305 Jetlift Drive, Suite B, Atwater CA USA
Tel: +1( 209) 631 3602
Fax: +1( 209) 722 7753
or check on climbto350.com
DREAMLINE RECRUITING
2305 Jetlift Drive, Suite B, Atwater CA USA
Tel: +1( 209) 631 3602
Fax: +1( 209) 722 7753
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H-3 visa is some sort of internship. Basically you work while gaining experience toward your ATP certificate. Obviously you need not to have your ATP certificate already.
Check on climbto350.com
Check on climbto350.com