Beijing PanAm - disrespect and humiliation of instructors
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a reminder: This thread is about disrespect and humiliation of instructors
Quote from bananasthepilot:
Until further notification from myself or VP XXXXXXXXXX, your flight
privileges have been revoked and you have been place in grounded
status as a result of King Air maintenance discrepancies.
XXXXXXXXXX(Vice manager of the High performance).
this needs a little translation: it means: I, your boss am going to ground you because you have not kept quiet about the problems concerning the aeroplane you fly.
please read bananasthepilot's post again carefully: 2 pilots are grounded because of "maintenance discrepancies" and the email is cc'd to :
XXXXXXXXXX(High performance Vice president and also manager of the maintenance dept); XXXXXXXXXX(Flight safety officer, Training manager)
This post by bananasthepilot could be a copy/paste of the email the two king air guys received.
If this is indeed the real thing what an insult it is for them and the profession.
Until further notification from myself or VP XXXXXXXXXX, your flight
privileges have been revoked and you have been place in grounded
status as a result of King Air maintenance discrepancies.
XXXXXXXXXX(Vice manager of the High performance).
this needs a little translation: it means: I, your boss am going to ground you because you have not kept quiet about the problems concerning the aeroplane you fly.
please read bananasthepilot's post again carefully: 2 pilots are grounded because of "maintenance discrepancies" and the email is cc'd to :
XXXXXXXXXX(High performance Vice president and also manager of the maintenance dept); XXXXXXXXXX(Flight safety officer, Training manager)
This post by bananasthepilot could be a copy/paste of the email the two king air guys received.
If this is indeed the real thing what an insult it is for them and the profession.
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Speaking about insults* thats what the 3 posters (harry potead, Imotep, ZBOWordie) did in addition to writing false accusations.
FIRST
They appeared all together within 1 hour and have posted only once.
They use the same vocabulary:
ZBOWordie says "not the angels..."
Imotep: "the hell with my passengers..."
Harry potted "I hope to Christ..."
The 3 of them refer to religion* (no other poster did through the thread) and amazingly they are all against the king air pilots*.
That is very interesting. Is that the same person?
SECONDLY
So now who is mentioned in this terrible and insulting email which revoked the king air pilot flight privilege?
A--2 king air pilots,
B--Vice President of the High Performance,
C--Manager of the High Performance,
D--Safety officer (the man who was once general manager and sent his girl friend to be trained to be a Jet captain with less than 800 hours Total Time and his friend the current HP manager with less than 1200 hours).
Between A, B, C, D who likes insulting*, refers to the religion*, and want to give troubles to the king air pilots*?
Personaly I think that the 3 posters and D are the same person.
FIRST
They appeared all together within 1 hour and have posted only once.
They use the same vocabulary:
ZBOWordie says "not the angels..."
Imotep: "the hell with my passengers..."
Harry potted "I hope to Christ..."
The 3 of them refer to religion* (no other poster did through the thread) and amazingly they are all against the king air pilots*.
That is very interesting. Is that the same person?
SECONDLY
So now who is mentioned in this terrible and insulting email which revoked the king air pilot flight privilege?
A--2 king air pilots,
B--Vice President of the High Performance,
C--Manager of the High Performance,
D--Safety officer (the man who was once general manager and sent his girl friend to be trained to be a Jet captain with less than 800 hours Total Time and his friend the current HP manager with less than 1200 hours).
Between A, B, C, D who likes insulting*, refers to the religion*, and want to give troubles to the king air pilots*?
Personaly I think that the 3 posters and D are the same person.
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Nothing is black or white.
When people want something (like turbine / multi time) they are willing to broom under the rug certain things. When you do not need them or had enough your standards are higher and you are not willing to broom under the rug no more, it is understandable. Just as that the management think, well you took it up the axx and now that you had enough you do not want it anymore..... if you were willing before you should be willing now and if you do not you will be fired.
You shouldn’t compromise those standards to begin with, now deal with the consequences
Since day one in PanAm the safety reports were "confidential" so safety mismanagement is well known.
Did they ever overhaul the six planes or so that had prop strikes? I do not think they overhauled any of them!
Insurance is mandatory in China. I am still wondering how is PanAm insuring the King Airs and the CJ? May be they are not insured!
Not everyone who post here are angels and I think we should put the NAMES of people here, so in the future people know how this people are and they will be accountable for what they have done to aviation. As far as I am concern most of that flight time is shi_
I think we should start putting names and last names of the PROVEN guilty parties
We could talk all day about PanAm, bottom line is, It has bad Chinese management, opportunistic westerners management and pilots with a brown substance in the nose. If you want a holiday in China and you are a pilot go to PanAm (free one way ticket and some cash to spend) if you want to do anything else stay away. My 2 cents.
Where do they get their money from? They produce VERY LITTLE and they spend millions literally!
When people want something (like turbine / multi time) they are willing to broom under the rug certain things. When you do not need them or had enough your standards are higher and you are not willing to broom under the rug no more, it is understandable. Just as that the management think, well you took it up the axx and now that you had enough you do not want it anymore..... if you were willing before you should be willing now and if you do not you will be fired.
You shouldn’t compromise those standards to begin with, now deal with the consequences
Since day one in PanAm the safety reports were "confidential" so safety mismanagement is well known.
Did they ever overhaul the six planes or so that had prop strikes? I do not think they overhauled any of them!
Insurance is mandatory in China. I am still wondering how is PanAm insuring the King Airs and the CJ? May be they are not insured!
Not everyone who post here are angels and I think we should put the NAMES of people here, so in the future people know how this people are and they will be accountable for what they have done to aviation. As far as I am concern most of that flight time is shi_
I think we should start putting names and last names of the PROVEN guilty parties
We could talk all day about PanAm, bottom line is, It has bad Chinese management, opportunistic westerners management and pilots with a brown substance in the nose. If you want a holiday in China and you are a pilot go to PanAm (free one way ticket and some cash to spend) if you want to do anything else stay away. My 2 cents.
Where do they get their money from? They produce VERY LITTLE and they spend millions literally!
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Number of postings
Another thing!
Look at the number of postings that some people have and how long they have been members of this forum.
I did not post to stir things up, it is just facts about what is going on in that cloudy company.
Look at the number of postings that some people have and how long they have been members of this forum.
I did not post to stir things up, it is just facts about what is going on in that cloudy company.
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I just wanted to comment on the comment about the level of intelligence of the new instructors that have come to Pan Am...
I have never failed any FAA written exam, and every exam I have taken, PPL, I-A, CPL, FOI, CFI, and CFII, scored both over 90%..
I studied as hard as I could for the CAAC exams, however there are several issues...
Unlike the FAA tests, the CAAC does not issue any question bank for you to study. Nor do they tell you what they will ask on the test.. basically you go in with the assumption that you will be taking a specific test, such as an instrument test, or a commercial test.
I have failed the instrument test a total of 6 times now... each test, is 80 questions. Out of the 80 questions, I average about 20 questions straight from the FAA database. Some of them may pertain to instrument flight, but most of them won't. The remaining 60 questions will ask you about ICAO and it's history.. or they will ask you questions regarding if you feel sick to your stomach, what do you do... basically, they ask you questions that have nothing in common with that of an instrument exam. All logical countries in the world will test your knowledge of aircraft systems, instrument operations, navigation, cross country flights, but not the CAAC exam. Their test is primarily for the focus of one thing, to ask you questions about "China's Regulations." I went to Beijing to meet with the CAAC officials in charge of their tests, and I asked them, "Why do you give instrument exams, with no questions about instrument flying, IMC, weather theory, weather services, etc?" And I will put all my licenses on the line, I **** you not, they said, "We know you are already instrument rated, we want to ask you questions on our rules!"
Apparently, their rules are more important than testing our knowledge of things pertinent to flight.
What gets me more confused is, apparently, anyone who holds an instructors licensed is believed to be an ATP pilot as well, so when we took our Commercial exams, most questions were that from an ATP test.. and not just any questions, again these questions were questions that were not given to you in english. There are several issues with this test... and out of a question bank of over 5000 questions, 4000 of them are translated by a person behind a computer who has no knowledge other than basic English!
And for those instructors who took the easier exams last year, shame on you thinking we're taking the same exam. Each instructor has the same knowledge of another. We all hold instructors certificates. I won't comment on teaching ability, but this is strictly knowledge. 80% of instructors failed these exams since November.
Now to move on about management; you can't always blame them. We all make mistakes. I'm writing this reply from a hotel near Baotou's airport. All the other foriegn instructors are in the other major district of Baotou, 30 minutes from me, in a much nicer hotel, surrounded by resturants that do business with foreigners (IE English menu/English waiters). Now the reason I'm in a ****ty hotel is the result of a foreign manager dropping the ball, and a selfish Chinese Manager. The hotel that the foreigners stay at cost 328 RMB a night, however because Pan Am is renting around 40 rooms, they are getting a big discount, at 100 rmb per night... so as a result, this Chinese Manager thinks it's okay to put me in a hotel room that actually costs 100 RMB with no discount.. why? Because the only room available in the foreigner hotel is a suite, and since I'm only staying in Baotou for two or three nights, I get a **** hotel, because maybe the other instructors would get jealous. Well I don't think they would be, but if he is concerned about them, he should be concerned about me being on the other side of town in a **** hotel, near no foreign restaurants, in a hotel where 0% of the staff speak English. I'm jealous of the other instructors because they sleep well at night, and I'm in a room facing the busiest street in this district, and the damn Chinese drivers love using their horn on their cars.. not to mention, I'm on company business, and I still have to pay for a damn cab, when the other instructors ride the bus for free; and NO I'm not being reimbursed...
The company has screwed themself so much that only recently they held a meeting at night with the instructors in an attempt to figure out what problems we have.. it's an honorable step, but it's too late. Pan Am has maybe until the end of the year until there are no flight instructors left.
PanAm's biggest downfall: Appointing leaders/managers/vice-presidents with no prior experience in flight schools, no prior education in general aviation or flight schools, appointing people into positions that don't know what their job requires them to do, and appointing people into positions that don't know how to do their job.
For a country where flight school is a new concept, it would seem logical that they listen and take the advice of people who have been in flight schools (IE us, the instructors) because we all have more experience in this training environment than any Chinese managers. But if your Chinese, and you were in the Air Force, or if you have a lot of money, you too can become a Vice-President for Pan Am.
I have never failed any FAA written exam, and every exam I have taken, PPL, I-A, CPL, FOI, CFI, and CFII, scored both over 90%..
I studied as hard as I could for the CAAC exams, however there are several issues...
Unlike the FAA tests, the CAAC does not issue any question bank for you to study. Nor do they tell you what they will ask on the test.. basically you go in with the assumption that you will be taking a specific test, such as an instrument test, or a commercial test.
I have failed the instrument test a total of 6 times now... each test, is 80 questions. Out of the 80 questions, I average about 20 questions straight from the FAA database. Some of them may pertain to instrument flight, but most of them won't. The remaining 60 questions will ask you about ICAO and it's history.. or they will ask you questions regarding if you feel sick to your stomach, what do you do... basically, they ask you questions that have nothing in common with that of an instrument exam. All logical countries in the world will test your knowledge of aircraft systems, instrument operations, navigation, cross country flights, but not the CAAC exam. Their test is primarily for the focus of one thing, to ask you questions about "China's Regulations." I went to Beijing to meet with the CAAC officials in charge of their tests, and I asked them, "Why do you give instrument exams, with no questions about instrument flying, IMC, weather theory, weather services, etc?" And I will put all my licenses on the line, I **** you not, they said, "We know you are already instrument rated, we want to ask you questions on our rules!"
Apparently, their rules are more important than testing our knowledge of things pertinent to flight.
What gets me more confused is, apparently, anyone who holds an instructors licensed is believed to be an ATP pilot as well, so when we took our Commercial exams, most questions were that from an ATP test.. and not just any questions, again these questions were questions that were not given to you in english. There are several issues with this test... and out of a question bank of over 5000 questions, 4000 of them are translated by a person behind a computer who has no knowledge other than basic English!
And for those instructors who took the easier exams last year, shame on you thinking we're taking the same exam. Each instructor has the same knowledge of another. We all hold instructors certificates. I won't comment on teaching ability, but this is strictly knowledge. 80% of instructors failed these exams since November.
Now to move on about management; you can't always blame them. We all make mistakes. I'm writing this reply from a hotel near Baotou's airport. All the other foriegn instructors are in the other major district of Baotou, 30 minutes from me, in a much nicer hotel, surrounded by resturants that do business with foreigners (IE English menu/English waiters). Now the reason I'm in a ****ty hotel is the result of a foreign manager dropping the ball, and a selfish Chinese Manager. The hotel that the foreigners stay at cost 328 RMB a night, however because Pan Am is renting around 40 rooms, they are getting a big discount, at 100 rmb per night... so as a result, this Chinese Manager thinks it's okay to put me in a hotel room that actually costs 100 RMB with no discount.. why? Because the only room available in the foreigner hotel is a suite, and since I'm only staying in Baotou for two or three nights, I get a **** hotel, because maybe the other instructors would get jealous. Well I don't think they would be, but if he is concerned about them, he should be concerned about me being on the other side of town in a **** hotel, near no foreign restaurants, in a hotel where 0% of the staff speak English. I'm jealous of the other instructors because they sleep well at night, and I'm in a room facing the busiest street in this district, and the damn Chinese drivers love using their horn on their cars.. not to mention, I'm on company business, and I still have to pay for a damn cab, when the other instructors ride the bus for free; and NO I'm not being reimbursed...
The company has screwed themself so much that only recently they held a meeting at night with the instructors in an attempt to figure out what problems we have.. it's an honorable step, but it's too late. Pan Am has maybe until the end of the year until there are no flight instructors left.
PanAm's biggest downfall: Appointing leaders/managers/vice-presidents with no prior experience in flight schools, no prior education in general aviation or flight schools, appointing people into positions that don't know what their job requires them to do, and appointing people into positions that don't know how to do their job.
For a country where flight school is a new concept, it would seem logical that they listen and take the advice of people who have been in flight schools (IE us, the instructors) because we all have more experience in this training environment than any Chinese managers. But if your Chinese, and you were in the Air Force, or if you have a lot of money, you too can become a Vice-President for Pan Am.
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Nice post. 
With the pilot shortage around the world, why would anyone consider going there just to build hours? Geesh, I heard you can practically walk out of a flying school with a bare CPL/IR and then get a flying job in Europe or the States (but not in Ozzier land unfortunately). Those lucky enough to be from those states with a JAA or FAA FCL should be laughing. Why go through the pain with working in China?
With the pilot shortage around the world, why would anyone consider going there just to build hours? Geesh, I heard you can practically walk out of a flying school with a bare CPL/IR and then get a flying job in Europe or the States (but not in Ozzier land unfortunately). Those lucky enough to be from those states with a JAA or FAA FCL should be laughing. Why go through the pain with working in China?
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foreign panam managers
Quote from nijiggajigga:
"Now the reason I'm in a ****ty hotel is the result of a foreign manager dropping the ball ..."
Yes, the panam foreign managers have dropped the ball, not just about finding decent accomodation for their instructors, but about everything else.
Why is that?
Well it is my opinion that they would rather compromise with the chinese "leaders" in order to preserve their own little privileges ( like a suite in a hotel ) than mention problems.
People who mention problems and speak up are just trouble makers, who upset the delicate balance of things, who destroy the harmony within panam.
The people who actually want to work for this company are destroying the harmony by trying to improve efficiency.
"Now the reason I'm in a ****ty hotel is the result of a foreign manager dropping the ball ..."
Yes, the panam foreign managers have dropped the ball, not just about finding decent accomodation for their instructors, but about everything else.
Why is that?
Well it is my opinion that they would rather compromise with the chinese "leaders" in order to preserve their own little privileges ( like a suite in a hotel ) than mention problems.
People who mention problems and speak up are just trouble makers, who upset the delicate balance of things, who destroy the harmony within panam.
The people who actually want to work for this company are destroying the harmony by trying to improve efficiency.
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"I am not waiting for the people to come from Jordan, I am flying there to meet the chief pilot in person"
Captainred, you could be very disappointed by meeting that guy...
I'll see you around Jordan!
Captainred, you could be very disappointed by meeting that guy...
I'll see you around Jordan!
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Hi Spacepodlife!
If you have inside infos about the school or the managers, please tell us about it. It could be very useful: to leave a chaotic place to run to a new one is enough for anybody. We would like to keep our mental health, our love of aviation, and the belief that we can do a good job as a flight instructor.
take care and see maybe in Jordan.
Good flights!
Flytoo
If you have inside infos about the school or the managers, please tell us about it. It could be very useful: to leave a chaotic place to run to a new one is enough for anybody. We would like to keep our mental health, our love of aviation, and the belief that we can do a good job as a flight instructor.
take care and see maybe in Jordan.
Good flights!
Flytoo
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Panam Managers
Not only the foreign panam managers are to blame...
or can they be blamed for trying to hang on to their seats whatever the cost?
The chinese management are using the age old strategy of divide and conquer.
Harrypothead you say the chinese are retarded.
I on the contrary think they are extremely smart. They just let YOU think they are not.
Every foreigner who works in China is issued a Foreign Expert Certificate.
It is an official document, it must be carried at all times, just like a passport.
Every foreign panam instructor has got one.
Yet under the pretence of conducting some "checks" panam has
got all their certificates back from the instructors, and are keeping them under lock and key in the beijing office.
Harrypothead it does not matter if you lie, cheat, insult, as long as you do it with a smile and keep a good face
or can they be blamed for trying to hang on to their seats whatever the cost?
The chinese management are using the age old strategy of divide and conquer.
Harrypothead you say the chinese are retarded.
I on the contrary think they are extremely smart. They just let YOU think they are not.
Every foreigner who works in China is issued a Foreign Expert Certificate.
It is an official document, it must be carried at all times, just like a passport.
Every foreign panam instructor has got one.
Yet under the pretence of conducting some "checks" panam has
got all their certificates back from the instructors, and are keeping them under lock and key in the beijing office.
Harrypothead it does not matter if you lie, cheat, insult, as long as you do it with a smile and keep a good face
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Yes captainred I remember the expert certificate we used to have in our
pocket. If you work in China you HAVE to possess and keep this document.
This is a requirement. Otherwise you would be considered as an illegal
worker and YOU alone would have to face the consequences
pocket. If you work in China you HAVE to possess and keep this document.
This is a requirement. Otherwise you would be considered as an illegal
worker and YOU alone would have to face the consequences
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I feel your desapointment nijiggajigga.
Do not expect any help. The foreign management would do anyything to be appreciated by the Chinese.
Your colleagues won t move either because they won t be supported. Being the only one in this hotel isnt really a sweet experience.
To: The Flying Kiwi
Hope you are doing good wherever you are.
Do not expect any help. The foreign management would do anyything to be appreciated by the Chinese.
Your colleagues won t move either because they won t be supported. Being the only one in this hotel isnt really a sweet experience.
To: The Flying Kiwi
Hope you are doing good wherever you are.
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We ask for an immediate change of policies of all persons concerned, for the sake of flight safety, and for an impartial management of the Panam personnel.
The sooner you realize that it's impossible to change these people's mind the better for you. Many people have passed through that place. The sad truth is no matter how much experience you have or how much knowledge you have to help the company, they will never listen to you. You will drive yourself crazy trying to change things for the better and some how you will end up getting screwed over for trying to do the right thing. ie..King Air pilots.
My suggestion for pilots currently at Pan Am. Get whatever you need from them (money) and leave ASAP. The industry is way too good worldwide for 80 pilots to be fighting over 1 King Air and 1 Citation.
For those of you who have to stay a while for whatever reason. Enjoy the cheap booze and the friendly women. Remember you are only working there temporarily and try not to stress over work so much.
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Ah, whatisthathey ! your post brings back a lot of memories to my mind.
Yes you are right, as you were right all this time ago.
Those problems were mentioned very early on.
A direct consequence of what is mentioned in whatisthathey's post was that in february 2007, the flight school was shut down by the CAAC because of the near mid air collision between a CJ1 and a 737.
The pilot flying the panam citation was none other than the guy who has less than 500 hours total time.
No one, absolutely no one working in panam today can say he/she didn't know about this.
Yes you are right, as you were right all this time ago.
Those problems were mentioned very early on.
A direct consequence of what is mentioned in whatisthathey's post was that in february 2007, the flight school was shut down by the CAAC because of the near mid air collision between a CJ1 and a 737.
The pilot flying the panam citation was none other than the guy who has less than 500 hours total time.
No one, absolutely no one working in panam today can say he/she didn't know about this.
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Action
I would like to see how many people are going to take action and stop Bitch
ing I hope for the live of the next guy going down that you do (it could be you!)
Then again my hopes on this race are low
Here is where you can complain.
ICAO, External Relations and Public Information Office (EPO)
999 University Street, Montréal, Quebec H3C 5H7, Canada
Tel.: +1 514-954-8219
Fax: +1 514-954-6077
SITATEX: YULCAYA
Internet e-mail: [email protected] Internet ICAO home page: http://www.icao.int
ing I hope for the live of the next guy going down that you do (it could be you!)Then again my hopes on this race are low
Here is where you can complain.
ICAO, External Relations and Public Information Office (EPO)
999 University Street, Montréal, Quebec H3C 5H7, Canada
Tel.: +1 514-954-8219
Fax: +1 514-954-6077
SITATEX: YULCAYA
Internet e-mail: [email protected] Internet ICAO home page: http://www.icao.int
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By the way
Isn't that falsifying guy of Chinese origin and of US citizenship with FAA license?
Tell the FAA about him! ICAO might not do much but the FAA for sure will love to talk to him, and I do not think you will have a shortage of people to verify that, since you all seem to love him.
Tell the FAA about him! ICAO might not do much but the FAA for sure will love to talk to him, and I do not think you will have a shortage of people to verify that, since you all seem to love him.
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This is China, Dude!
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This guy has already been turned in to Chinese management by everyone here. a bunch of foreigners with pilot certificates aren't going to come in here and change over 5000 years worth of culture, dude!! It's payoffs, corruption, bribes and lies.
You think the FAA and ICAO wants to get involved in a piing contest with China CAAC? No way, dude!! Too much politics and money involved. Plus, where's the evidence? you think they're going to take the word of all these phantoms?
Two solutions to this problem
1. If you are here, get out.
2. Don't come here.
This guy has already been turned in to Chinese management by everyone here. a bunch of foreigners with pilot certificates aren't going to come in here and change over 5000 years worth of culture, dude!! It's payoffs, corruption, bribes and lies.
You think the FAA and ICAO wants to get involved in a pi
ing contest with China CAAC? No way, dude!! Too much politics and money involved. Plus, where's the evidence? you think they're going to take the word of all these phantoms?Two solutions to this problem
1. If you are here, get out.
2. Don't come here.