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Aero; very interesting how you just pop up in all the posts concerning Clark Aviation? Sometimes, you appear as a wnabee attendee at the BDB forum requesting innocent information, other times you appear to be a well informed aviator with considerable hearsay information about Clark. Maybe time to expose your real identity and motives?
Ecole-du-Ciel. A new interesting player to Pprune that has an instant opinion!
Anyone smell a rodent?
Ecole-du-Ciel. A new interesting player to Pprune that has an instant opinion!
Anyone smell a rodent?
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"I have wings but I cant fly with them."
Sir Cumulonimbus, - I am currently a student of Clark Aviation. Ive gone too far just to quit now. "I have gone past redemption." All I can do now is hope and believe that CIA would become a successful MPL school.
Otherwise, I dont know what to do next. Some of my peers are planning to just acquire additional flying time at other flying schools afterwards. Just seeing how the batches are piling up on queue makes us worried everyday.
I just wanted to voice out my concerns, and I believe that this forum is the only place where i can do it anonymously. I hope you do understand that Im just protecting my career and future as a pilot.
I feel like a guinea pig.
Otherwise, I dont know what to do next. Some of my peers are planning to just acquire additional flying time at other flying schools afterwards. Just seeing how the batches are piling up on queue makes us worried everyday.
I just wanted to voice out my concerns, and I believe that this forum is the only place where i can do it anonymously. I hope you do understand that Im just protecting my career and future as a pilot.
I feel like a guinea pig.
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ecole-du-ciel..........
good advice....
study about A/C maintenance...at least of 72 units (2yr. course)
to familarize more the aircraft systems....
to have more knowledge not only in operating but also on how to maintain and troubleshoot the aircraft..
in short....a second option
having a A/P license and CPL/IR(MPL?)....good enough to your carrer
and you can choose either as a rated mechanic or pilot...
good advice....
study about A/C maintenance...at least of 72 units (2yr. course)
to familarize more the aircraft systems....
to have more knowledge not only in operating but also on how to maintain and troubleshoot the aircraft..
in short....a second option
having a A/P license and CPL/IR(MPL?)....good enough to your carrer
and you can choose either as a rated mechanic or pilot...
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ecole-du-ciel..........
dont lose hope...!
because you're already there going to your profession as a pilot...
you're lucky because you've enter a expensive flying school...
unlike me.....years will be counted before i start to study in flying schools.
i have to earn money as a A/C maintenance first to have a income and support for my flying lesson....and also...EXPERIENCE in A/C maintenance
not yet a A/C maintenance....but hoping that after i grad this march....
push my lucky to have a job....
there is always a second option....
if you feel that you're not contented enough about the infos and experience in aircraft.....
make some strategies......
add more flying hours experience in aircraft after the 12month training....
or study again...related in aviation. A/C maintenance is one of the good option..
having a 2 license at the same time....= LOTS OF MONEY
Heavy Jets like Airbus and Boeing.....it not like a flight simulator that can easily to fly or play with....!
you must be very serious about this kind of large flying metal....
lots of experiences and knowledge will be needed to fly this kind of thing.
I dont know if CIA teach to their students about this info?
FCOM or AOM------only 1200+ pages
(basic detail and one only of the ATA chapterization)
AMM---------4000+ pages
(Full Detail of the A320. from operation to maintenance)
ATA chapterization----up to 99 chapters.
(A320 did not reach up to 99)
what more in larger widebody aircraft? (A330,A340,A380, B747,777,)
(reach up to 99 chapters)
1 chapter = 1000-2000 pages of info about the aircraft.
i understand your situation right now....
even though that you want to fly...but you feel incomplete and
unsure because there is no guarantee job after the training....
and insufficient training and experience..
and also---TIME, MONEY, EFFORT will be wasted if your training will result to nothing...
for us as a pilot wannabe.....LIVE YOUR DREAMS...
have the FlightPlan, Route, Hydro and AquaPlanning...to fly and land successfully going to the dreams....
goodluck to you....
thanks and happy flying
dont lose hope...!
because you're already there going to your profession as a pilot...
you're lucky because you've enter a expensive flying school...
unlike me.....years will be counted before i start to study in flying schools.
i have to earn money as a A/C maintenance first to have a income and support for my flying lesson....and also...EXPERIENCE in A/C maintenance
not yet a A/C maintenance....but hoping that after i grad this march....
push my lucky to have a job....
there is always a second option....
if you feel that you're not contented enough about the infos and experience in aircraft.....
make some strategies......
add more flying hours experience in aircraft after the 12month training....
or study again...related in aviation. A/C maintenance is one of the good option..
having a 2 license at the same time....= LOTS OF MONEY
Heavy Jets like Airbus and Boeing.....it not like a flight simulator that can easily to fly or play with....!
you must be very serious about this kind of large flying metal....
lots of experiences and knowledge will be needed to fly this kind of thing.
I dont know if CIA teach to their students about this info?
FCOM or AOM------only 1200+ pages
(basic detail and one only of the ATA chapterization)
AMM---------4000+ pages
(Full Detail of the A320. from operation to maintenance)
ATA chapterization----up to 99 chapters.
(A320 did not reach up to 99)
what more in larger widebody aircraft? (A330,A340,A380, B747,777,)
(reach up to 99 chapters)
1 chapter = 1000-2000 pages of info about the aircraft.
i understand your situation right now....
even though that you want to fly...but you feel incomplete and
unsure because there is no guarantee job after the training....
and insufficient training and experience..
and also---TIME, MONEY, EFFORT will be wasted if your training will result to nothing...
for us as a pilot wannabe.....LIVE YOUR DREAMS...
have the FlightPlan, Route, Hydro and AquaPlanning...to fly and land successfully going to the dreams....
goodluck to you....
thanks and happy flying
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Hi guys,
I am a multi-engine flight instructor from Australia and I saw an ad from CIA the other day and the ad says "Immediate Need" or something like that for instructors. Are they really that desperate ?
Pity I am still converting my CPL/ME/IR to RP equivalent otherwise I would have been there to teach. Does anyone know who can speed up the process for me ? ATO is giving me a hard time.
I fly the twins BE76 Duchess (4 seater), PA31-350 Piper Chieftain ( turbo-charged 2 x 350 HP engines - 10 seater) and PA-28 Aztec (6 seater twin). However, the advert was for a Baron and a Seneca and sadly I don't have those endorsements. Does anyone know what kind of training does CIA give to instructors ? I have over 2100 hrs. (1800 in multi ).
Thanks
I am a multi-engine flight instructor from Australia and I saw an ad from CIA the other day and the ad says "Immediate Need" or something like that for instructors. Are they really that desperate ?
Pity I am still converting my CPL/ME/IR to RP equivalent otherwise I would have been there to teach. Does anyone know who can speed up the process for me ? ATO is giving me a hard time.
I fly the twins BE76 Duchess (4 seater), PA31-350 Piper Chieftain ( turbo-charged 2 x 350 HP engines - 10 seater) and PA-28 Aztec (6 seater twin). However, the advert was for a Baron and a Seneca and sadly I don't have those endorsements. Does anyone know what kind of training does CIA give to instructors ? I have over 2100 hrs. (1800 in multi ).
Thanks
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hmmm..
after goin thru the forum, i understand that self sponsored cadets got no chance to work in GA or airlines...escpecially if you are Singaporean.
Budget carriers in Malaysia hire fresh malaysian cadets only...
Pls prove me otherwise.
Budget carriers in Malaysia hire fresh malaysian cadets only...
Pls prove me otherwise.
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Hi Aero, I would really like to send my details however my license conversion is not thru yet. As I said at the outset, ATO is giving me a hard time. I'll send you my details as soon as I finish with it.... heaven only knows when that is.... the system is full of red tape and beaureacracy.
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Ooopss! my bad --- Sorry Aero, I thought for a moment you're with CIA management on your original post.
What you've experienced is just the tip of the Iceberg. I had to deal with the ATO directly and got pissed off with them on the first 5 mins.
I am at the point of desperation just trying to convert my license.
What you've experienced is just the tip of the Iceberg. I had to deal with the ATO directly and got pissed off with them on the first 5 mins.
I am at the point of desperation just trying to convert my license.
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Hi Eight Ball,
clark aviation will give you an alpha robin rating, you can apply anytime and i think you are qualified enough.. Just drop them a mail sir..
Cheers!
PI
clark aviation will give you an alpha robin rating, you can apply anytime and i think you are qualified enough.. Just drop them a mail sir..
Cheers!
PI
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License Conversion
I don't have any experience converting foreign license to RP ATO license. Base on what I've heard, it's a bit hard and will take a LONG LONG time.
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conversion
AERO..EightBall..
interested to knw what kind of snag are you all getting into as far as dealing with the ATO in converting your licenses.
i too want to convert my FAA lcense and want a little intel before i start doing the proces sos that i can avoid most of the snags..
cheers and thanks all
interested to knw what kind of snag are you all getting into as far as dealing with the ATO in converting your licenses.
i too want to convert my FAA lcense and want a little intel before i start doing the proces sos that i can avoid most of the snags..
cheers and thanks all
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ATO
jester_icarus,
I can draw up a long list for you buddy but I don't wanna highjack this thread as it is for Clark Institute of Av. I'm sure a lot of other foreign and Philippine license holders would want to vent their anger and frustration as well in here regarding the entire ATO system. ( what system ???....crap ).. geeezzz
Especially one particular "chief " and his staff
Pumping Iron - would really like to get started but I've just hit a brick wall with them
...... more frustration. Why can't these people get their heads out of their arses and help people instead of shooting them down.
Don't get me wrong, some of them are very helpful. It's only a few abusive people in power that's making life difficult because they haven't got their heads screwed on right.
I can draw up a long list for you buddy but I don't wanna highjack this thread as it is for Clark Institute of Av. I'm sure a lot of other foreign and Philippine license holders would want to vent their anger and frustration as well in here regarding the entire ATO system. ( what system ???....crap ).. geeezzz
Especially one particular "chief " and his staff
Pumping Iron - would really like to get started but I've just hit a brick wall with them
...... more frustration. Why can't these people get their heads out of their arses and help people instead of shooting them down.Don't get me wrong, some of them are very helpful. It's only a few abusive people in power that's making life difficult because they haven't got their heads screwed on right.
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@.Aero
what you asked was completely rhetorical to whoever you spoke with and i'm guessing you spoke with a front desk staff who's more concerned with the rooms of the pilots in recurrent training than CIA matters that only the management would know.
@happy flying boy kurimaw
is it just me or have i seen the same post from you over and over again?
what you asked was completely rhetorical to whoever you spoke with and i'm guessing you spoke with a front desk staff who's more concerned with the rooms of the pilots in recurrent training than CIA matters that only the management would know.
@happy flying boy kurimaw
is it just me or have i seen the same post from you over and over again?
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Accomodation
Hi everyone,
Does anyone know of any share accomodation in or out of the school? My travelling time is 2.5 hours one way so I am thinking of boarding near the school. Any suggestions please PM me.
Thanks
Does anyone know of any share accomodation in or out of the school? My travelling time is 2.5 hours one way so I am thinking of boarding near the school. Any suggestions please PM me.
Thanks
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skills at 70 hours?
CIA seems like a good school. but for those who are keeping their hopes up to fly the 320's........well, lets see when it happens. but just the thought of the stick time experience the LFO would have.....incase of a pilot incapacitation or an emergency??? yikes.
its much easier to "manage" an A320 rather than to FLY a 320!
not putting any of the students down but practice does make u better. and 70 hours is far far away from 1500hrs. cant replace stick & rudder experience. but knowledge does help alot!!!
goodluck guys. wishing u all the best!!!
its much easier to "manage" an A320 rather than to FLY a 320!
not putting any of the students down but practice does make u better. and 70 hours is far far away from 1500hrs. cant replace stick & rudder experience. but knowledge does help alot!!!
goodluck guys. wishing u all the best!!!
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skills at 70hrs stick?
CIA seems like a good school. but for those who are keeping their hopes up to fly the 320's........well, lets see when it happens. but just the thought of the stick time experience the LFO would have.....incase of a pilot incapacitation or an emergency??? yikes.
its much easier to "manage" an A320 rather than to FLY a 320!
not putting any of the students down but practice does make u better. and 70 hours is far far away from 1500hrs. cant replace stick & rudder experience. but knowledge does help alot!!!
goodluck guys. wishing u all the best!!!
its much easier to "manage" an A320 rather than to FLY a 320!
not putting any of the students down but practice does make u better. and 70 hours is far far away from 1500hrs. cant replace stick & rudder experience. but knowledge does help alot!!!
goodluck guys. wishing u all the best!!!
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I remember those days when your application won't even get a look over if your TT is below 1500 hrs.
I admit to being an optimist but 70 hours of flying time then to an A320 right seat with just sim time? I've heard the MPL holder is not even allowed to fly a single as PIC with pax let alone being SIC on an aircraft carrying 170.
I've heard of CPLs with 250 hours TT in EU being given 737 RHS jobs but 70????.... and I thought they were being irresponsible.
I guess these are the signs of the times to come due to pilot shortage. But try telling that to a paying passenger who holds a PPL with 5,000 hours on his log book or an Airbus 330 Captain on holidays or a poor old lady who already has a fear of flying.
I admit to being an optimist but 70 hours of flying time then to an A320 right seat with just sim time? I've heard the MPL holder is not even allowed to fly a single as PIC with pax let alone being SIC on an aircraft carrying 170.
I've heard of CPLs with 250 hours TT in EU being given 737 RHS jobs but 70????.... and I thought they were being irresponsible.
I guess these are the signs of the times to come due to pilot shortage. But try telling that to a paying passenger who holds a PPL with 5,000 hours on his log book or an Airbus 330 Captain on holidays or a poor old lady who already has a fear of flying.
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Evaluation et al
Evaluation as to whether you can be a pilot or not is simple: if one knows how to bicycle (balance, coordination, depth perception, situational awareness) and is not colorblind, then he qualifies. After seeing all the wierd Captains around, I doubt whether passing a Psych test is even required.
We all went thru flight training and remember that at 70 hrs we would fly under bridges and wash wheels in the river. Most of those that did that are now dead or disabled. Those that didn't, those that flew straight and level from point A to point B and were more concerned with sticking the nose wheel smack on centreline and on the bar for parking, they retire in their mansions.
We remember the Captains who always took on more fuel than necessary, who immediately diverted without at least one attempt at an approach, who gave you landings but with dual inputs, who were chicken in short. We hated them but they retire with a fortune.
The cool guys, the hotshots, the guys that made flying what it was meant to be, a passion not a job, they have the most number of incidents. Why do you think Airbus designed their airplanes so that these guys could no longer override the protections?
It's a new world. Live in it. Stick and rudder? It depends...
We all went thru flight training and remember that at 70 hrs we would fly under bridges and wash wheels in the river. Most of those that did that are now dead or disabled. Those that didn't, those that flew straight and level from point A to point B and were more concerned with sticking the nose wheel smack on centreline and on the bar for parking, they retire in their mansions.
We remember the Captains who always took on more fuel than necessary, who immediately diverted without at least one attempt at an approach, who gave you landings but with dual inputs, who were chicken in short. We hated them but they retire with a fortune.
The cool guys, the hotshots, the guys that made flying what it was meant to be, a passion not a job, they have the most number of incidents. Why do you think Airbus designed their airplanes so that these guys could no longer override the protections?
It's a new world. Live in it. Stick and rudder? It depends...
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AGREE!
i totally agree with what was just said by atsu misc! you know who are still alive and who just have loads of incidents on their back.
but what i mean abt stick and rudder is the actual time u have flying the aircraft....not breaking the law (ie wheel washing, flying under bridges!! hahaha)
at say 70 hrs of actuall fying, would u be so confident to believe that with a situation of multiple emergencies.....u could actually fly a jet A/C safely? or banking on luck to get u on the ground???
i know we are in a new era of flying and that "managing" the aircraft is just like playing a video game. But i would like to know that the company doesnt pay me all that money just to manage the airbus and sit pretty but to actually take contols and fly the aircraft with skill when the "**** hits the fan"!
waddyathink?
but what i mean abt stick and rudder is the actual time u have flying the aircraft....not breaking the law (ie wheel washing, flying under bridges!! hahaha)
at say 70 hrs of actuall fying, would u be so confident to believe that with a situation of multiple emergencies.....u could actually fly a jet A/C safely? or banking on luck to get u on the ground???
i know we are in a new era of flying and that "managing" the aircraft is just like playing a video game. But i would like to know that the company doesnt pay me all that money just to manage the airbus and sit pretty but to actually take contols and fly the aircraft with skill when the "**** hits the fan"!
waddyathink?