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Why is it that Indian airlines, Jet Airways to name one, require to have 3 months left on the type rating at the time of joining?
I stand to be corrected, but this is not an Indian DGCA requirement.
Anybody?
I stand to be corrected, but this is not an Indian DGCA requirement.
Anybody?
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My personal view is that it because they can put you to work right away and also they don't have to schedule you for a sim for another 3 months.
My understanding is that you are flying based on your JAA/FAA credentials including your PC. Once they expire then you have to get a PC. It gives them some breathing room considering how busy their training schedule is right now. Thats my take on it. I could be totally off on this one.
My understanding is that you are flying based on your JAA/FAA credentials including your PC. Once they expire then you have to get a PC. It gives them some breathing room considering how busy their training schedule is right now. Thats my take on it. I could be totally off on this one.
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From the looks of it, not too many expats at JetAirways or Spicejet are on pprune anymore. If Jet is needing 30-40 NG drivers b/c guys are quitting to go to their home countries for the summer, it can't be all good. Spicejet has had great reviews on pprune but it's been quiet as well on pprune. Not even sure if they are even hiring expats. I guess the lads are getting burnt out on flying 6 days a week with 1 measly day off. The two weeks off given after 8 weeks with no front/back end days off amounts to about 10 days off depending on where you commute to. They need to change that if they want to attract quality expat pilots. Who needs this kind of abuse?
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Yes, please can any expat pilot at Jet write a bit about the work and living in India?
Is it true that the 737 FOs are not allowed to control the aircraft below 1000 ft (no take offs and landings?)
How are you couping with 6 working days/week !! (is it really allowed? ) How many hrs a day/week/month will that be?
How are you couping with 8 weeks on / 2 off?
How is the flying in india? Frustrating long delays? Security issues? Are the airport standars and ATC ok?
Is it true that the 737 FOs are not allowed to control the aircraft below 1000 ft (no take offs and landings?)
How are you couping with 6 working days/week !! (is it really allowed? ) How many hrs a day/week/month will that be?
How are you couping with 8 weeks on / 2 off?
How is the flying in india? Frustrating long delays? Security issues? Are the airport standars and ATC ok?
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How will these F/O's get any experience if they can't take-off or land?
So the first time they will land is when they upgrade? Makes very little sense. But then again when the F/O has 50 hrs multi in a Seneca I don't think I would like him to land either--not on my ticket! So basically the Indian aviation scene is all about filling the seats with warm Indian bodies!
All they get to do is push Command A/B, LNAV, VOR/LOC, APP.? Maybe they have better skills in understanding the Indian controllers? What happens if the Capt is incapacitated? The F/O has never landed the airplane? The DGCA is ok with that? Oh I guess they just Autoland? If they dont watch it these low time wonders are an accident waiting to happen.
Cheers!
So the first time they will land is when they upgrade? Makes very little sense. But then again when the F/O has 50 hrs multi in a Seneca I don't think I would like him to land either--not on my ticket! So basically the Indian aviation scene is all about filling the seats with warm Indian bodies!
All they get to do is push Command A/B, LNAV, VOR/LOC, APP.? Maybe they have better skills in understanding the Indian controllers? What happens if the Capt is incapacitated? The F/O has never landed the airplane? The DGCA is ok with that? Oh I guess they just Autoland? If they dont watch it these low time wonders are an accident waiting to happen.
Cheers!
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Spicejet VP quoted in article about need of pilots
Flying schools take off, but pilots will still be scarceBy - Praveena Sharma
BANGALORE: It's simple arithmetic. Over the next ten years, airlines will take delivery of around 400 aircraft and each of them would require 10 pilots and double that number of engineers. This means there would be additional demand for around 4,000 pilots and 8,000 engineers.
This is just for basic flight training. There is also type-rating and recurrent simulator training. The potential in these two are also immense. Not to forget, pilot demand for corporate and cargo jets, and flight training.
These numbers have excited many companies enough to announce plans to launch flying schools. To name a few: there is former telecom czar Rajeev Chandrasekhar's ambitious project in partnership with EADS, which would churn out 500 ab-initio (commercial pilot licence - CPL) pilots and 1,000 flight engineers every year from mid-2009 onwards. Canada's CAE has also drawn up plans for a $20-million flight simulation training centre that would produce 1,000 pilots per year.
Then, there are smaller firms like Nova Aviation Services, which has chalked out plans for setting up a flying school in Mumbai to train 90 pilots and 90 engineers in a year. It is now looking for the right aircraft and a partner with land next to an airstrip.
"Aircraft for pilot training are not available for immediate delivery. We want to procure Cessna but we can't get it before one year. So, we will settle for Austria's Diamond," says Nova Aviation Services Ltd's Hosi Charna.
Nova Aviation wants to get its plans off the ground by mid-2008 so that the first batch of pilots is out by 2009.
Jupiter Aviation CEO and managing director S Ravi Narayanan is also shopping for helicopter and trainer aircraft. "We will give both helicopter and aircraft training. For helicopter, we have zeroed in on Eurocopter's EC 120 and for the aircraft training, we will use TB10 and TB 20," says Narayanan.
But even as they get down to putting their plans into action, the pilot problem is not about to disappear soon.
At least, that is what the airlines feel. Take the case of budget carrier SpiceJet Ltd. Though it has made provisions for the 90 additional pilots it would need this year, it has no clue from where it will meet its requirement of 120 pilots next year and 140 pilots thereafter.
"The problem is not so much at the first officer level. We can easily train them overseas in a year-and-a-half and recruit. The shortage is at the commander level, where you need 4-5 years of experience. This is being filled up by foreign pilots," said J S Dhillon, SpiceJet executive vice-president, flight operations.
"Today, 20% of our pilots are expats. This could rise to 30% next year. The number will keep rising for another 3-4 years before easing. By then, our current crop of co-pilots will be ready to captain flights," said Dhillon.
And by the time Dhillon's co-pilots graduate to flight commanders, the new flying institute would be ready with cadets to fill up the position of first officers.
But not everyone is optimistic. Promoter of ground training school Clipair's S N Dutta laments; "A lot many more pilots can be trained if the training environment is made friendlier. DGCA has amended rules in August this year to make it compulsory for a student to fly 50 hours before taking the CPL ground tests. One does not understand the rationale behind this. There is no point in undergoing expensive flight training before passing the CPL papers. If a student does not pass after completing 50 hours of flying, the entire expense is a waste. It is a national waste."
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BANGALORE: It's simple arithmetic. Over the next ten years, airlines will take delivery of around 400 aircraft and each of them would require 10 pilots and double that number of engineers. This means there would be additional demand for around 4,000 pilots and 8,000 engineers.
This is just for basic flight training. There is also type-rating and recurrent simulator training. The potential in these two are also immense. Not to forget, pilot demand for corporate and cargo jets, and flight training.
These numbers have excited many companies enough to announce plans to launch flying schools. To name a few: there is former telecom czar Rajeev Chandrasekhar's ambitious project in partnership with EADS, which would churn out 500 ab-initio (commercial pilot licence - CPL) pilots and 1,000 flight engineers every year from mid-2009 onwards. Canada's CAE has also drawn up plans for a $20-million flight simulation training centre that would produce 1,000 pilots per year.
Then, there are smaller firms like Nova Aviation Services, which has chalked out plans for setting up a flying school in Mumbai to train 90 pilots and 90 engineers in a year. It is now looking for the right aircraft and a partner with land next to an airstrip.
"Aircraft for pilot training are not available for immediate delivery. We want to procure Cessna but we can't get it before one year. So, we will settle for Austria's Diamond," says Nova Aviation Services Ltd's Hosi Charna.
Nova Aviation wants to get its plans off the ground by mid-2008 so that the first batch of pilots is out by 2009.
Jupiter Aviation CEO and managing director S Ravi Narayanan is also shopping for helicopter and trainer aircraft. "We will give both helicopter and aircraft training. For helicopter, we have zeroed in on Eurocopter's EC 120 and for the aircraft training, we will use TB10 and TB 20," says Narayanan.
But even as they get down to putting their plans into action, the pilot problem is not about to disappear soon.
At least, that is what the airlines feel. Take the case of budget carrier SpiceJet Ltd. Though it has made provisions for the 90 additional pilots it would need this year, it has no clue from where it will meet its requirement of 120 pilots next year and 140 pilots thereafter.
"The problem is not so much at the first officer level. We can easily train them overseas in a year-and-a-half and recruit. The shortage is at the commander level, where you need 4-5 years of experience. This is being filled up by foreign pilots," said J S Dhillon, SpiceJet executive vice-president, flight operations.
"Today, 20% of our pilots are expats. This could rise to 30% next year. The number will keep rising for another 3-4 years before easing. By then, our current crop of co-pilots will be ready to captain flights," said Dhillon.
And by the time Dhillon's co-pilots graduate to flight commanders, the new flying institute would be ready with cadets to fill up the position of first officers.
But not everyone is optimistic. Promoter of ground training school Clipair's S N Dutta laments; "A lot many more pilots can be trained if the training environment is made friendlier. DGCA has amended rules in August this year to make it compulsory for a student to fly 50 hours before taking the CPL ground tests. One does not understand the rationale behind this. There is no point in undergoing expensive flight training before passing the CPL papers. If a student does not pass after completing 50 hours of flying, the entire expense is a waste. It is a national waste."
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Hi,
I am presently flying with Jet on 737 . Contract is 8 weeks on / 2 weeks off, although block off can be increased with annual leave days and you might make it 3 weeks off . Typical roster is 6 days on / 1 off and yes this is legal like almost everywhere in the world . Depending on your base here you can expect to fly 100 hrs + (limit here is 125hrs / mth) . You also can expect changes in your monthly roster . In general airports and ATC procedures are ok but you'll be face with long delays at some airports . Good airplanes and well maintained . So far I can say : Good company , good atmosphere .
New F/O are not allowed to operate the controls below 1000ft agl until they have 1000 hrs and are released to do so .
You sometimes will have to be very patient when you request something like administrative papers, tickets etc...
If I can answer other questions , just ask .
Take care,
DJ.
I am presently flying with Jet on 737 . Contract is 8 weeks on / 2 weeks off, although block off can be increased with annual leave days and you might make it 3 weeks off . Typical roster is 6 days on / 1 off and yes this is legal like almost everywhere in the world . Depending on your base here you can expect to fly 100 hrs + (limit here is 125hrs / mth) . You also can expect changes in your monthly roster . In general airports and ATC procedures are ok but you'll be face with long delays at some airports . Good airplanes and well maintained . So far I can say : Good company , good atmosphere .
New F/O are not allowed to operate the controls below 1000ft agl until they have 1000 hrs and are released to do so .
You sometimes will have to be very patient when you request something like administrative papers, tickets etc...
If I can answer other questions , just ask .
Take care,
DJ.
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Thanks Darkjet for your reply!
Is that 1000 hrs on type, total or at jet Airways?
How do you find the accomodation? Air Con? Internet? Cable TV, Driving distance/time from Airport etc?
Is that 1000 hrs on type, total or at jet Airways?
How do you find the accomodation? Air Con? Internet? Cable TV, Driving distance/time from Airport etc?
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As far as I know 1000 hrs on type and release in writting to be able to operate take off and landings, I don't know if this applicable to expat f/o's . New captains joining the company also can't give t/off and ldgs until aproved .
The company used to give the choice of hotel or apartments, don't know what is the present policy on that . If you are looking for a flat, Jet will assist you in finfing a fully furnished one . Transportation will be provided when on duty .
The company used to give the choice of hotel or apartments, don't know what is the present policy on that . If you are looking for a flat, Jet will assist you in finfing a fully furnished one . Transportation will be provided when on duty .
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Thx Darkjet for your up to date info from Jet..
IŽve just been offerd the job for Jet and IŽm on my way to take the 737 type rating now in march, but I have some concernse that haveŽnt been awnserd yet..... (haveŽnt seen the contract yet)
I was wondering if you could tell me if the salary is taxfree or not, and if not, how much are the taxes over there?
Do you have to pay yourself for OPC/PC in the sim? and do you have to do them on your own free time? Someone said that due to the fact that we are contractors we have to renew our licenses in our home country? Do they pay for that or does it come out of our own pocket?
Would you recomend anyone to go there now, or tell them to find somthing else?
Thx in advance.....
IŽve just been offerd the job for Jet and IŽm on my way to take the 737 type rating now in march, but I have some concernse that haveŽnt been awnserd yet..... (haveŽnt seen the contract yet)
I was wondering if you could tell me if the salary is taxfree or not, and if not, how much are the taxes over there?
Do you have to pay yourself for OPC/PC in the sim? and do you have to do them on your own free time? Someone said that due to the fact that we are contractors we have to renew our licenses in our home country? Do they pay for that or does it come out of our own pocket?
Would you recomend anyone to go there now, or tell them to find somthing else?
Thx in advance.....
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renewing license, medicals and proficiency
Hi guys!
I heard there would be some changes in the renewing license, medicals and proficiency.Can anyone highlight these rumors
I heard there would be some changes in the renewing license, medicals and proficiency.Can anyone highlight these rumors
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jet recruitment
10 777's coming in at the rate of 1 per month except DEC.
Earlier postings on the T & C's are accurate.
Pay your own way (flt) for interview, and be reimbursed up to US $1500,
all meals paid for during interview in Mumbai. Screening done ala 737 NG.
Earlier postings on the T & C's are accurate.
Pay your own way (flt) for interview, and be reimbursed up to US $1500,
all meals paid for during interview in Mumbai. Screening done ala 737 NG.
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requirements by DGCA
already covered through previous thread.
but here are some documents from DGCA.
click!
and anybody signed in contract and get the security clearance?
please PM me.
good flight
but here are some documents from DGCA.
click!
and anybody signed in contract and get the security clearance?
please PM me.
good flight
777's?
If Jet are getting 777's, are they still getting the 330's as well? Had clearance papers etc and been waiting a while now for them to get back. They do seem very slow or rudderless with their recruitment or is that just India?
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Hi There....
I was offerd the job via Randhem and they pay the 737 typerating + the trip and hotel in Miami....
After that you do your linetraining in Europe.... 50hr if you have the time requirements or 100hr if you donŽt (time requirements = 1000hr tot or 500hr multi or 100hr on type).
Btw... you get payed during your linetraining....
Darkjet, could you please fill me in on my previous questions if you have the time (or anyone else for that matter that can answer them) thx..
Hope to see ya all soon in India
I was offerd the job via Randhem and they pay the 737 typerating + the trip and hotel in Miami....
After that you do your linetraining in Europe.... 50hr if you have the time requirements or 100hr if you donŽt (time requirements = 1000hr tot or 500hr multi or 100hr on type).
Btw... you get payed during your linetraining....
Darkjet, could you please fill me in on my previous questions if you have the time (or anyone else for that matter that can answer them) thx..
Hope to see ya all soon in India