Air Japan (AJX) B767
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In my opinion, this is the best expat, commuting contract out there. However, it is important to clearly understand the commuting situation. You will be leaving the U.S. back to TYO two days prior to operation days. So, if you begin your work days on say, Saturday, you need to leave the U.S. mainland on a flight on Thursday. Both Thursday and Friday, commuting days, are still technically on your time off, which can effectively turn the guaranteed minimum 8 days off into effectively 6 days at home a month. If you are lucky to get the 10 days off consecutive, and add 2 days of "burned" vacation, you can make it 12 days consecutive. Still, they are completely clear that commuting takes place on your days off and that the 8 consecutive is all you are actually guaranteed by the contract.
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Dominican,
You have the experience of being there and a contract that states 11 days off, two big advantages.
Obviously you know what is going on, since you've been there for 2 + years. I am very thankful for all your posts, and used a lot of your info in the decision making process to pursue this contract.
CReW repeatedly told me that the contract that I'm signing only has 8 days off consecutive guaranteed, and that if the operation in the future demands it, that's what they would practice. It sounded like a warning to me in the sense of "we told you very clearly before you signed the contract that 8 in a row was all that is guaranteed". That was enough to make me realize I would have NO ground to stand on by saying "you guys give everybody 10 off in a row"...
Maybe they change the contract from time to time. When I applied through CReW, AJV offered 10 consecutive, now it is only 8. I wanted to take your words and EK's on Airline Pilot Central forums, and use that as my contract. At the end of the day though, I am responsible for the language I was going to sign off on, not the posts I've read here, you know what I mean?
A lot of things can happen in 5 years. They might actually need to give guys only the 8 days consecutive. We'll see. On the other hand, they might improve on the contract for everyone, like they've done in the past.
Enjoy your time there, you have a great deal going.
You have the experience of being there and a contract that states 11 days off, two big advantages.
Obviously you know what is going on, since you've been there for 2 + years. I am very thankful for all your posts, and used a lot of your info in the decision making process to pursue this contract.
CReW repeatedly told me that the contract that I'm signing only has 8 days off consecutive guaranteed, and that if the operation in the future demands it, that's what they would practice. It sounded like a warning to me in the sense of "we told you very clearly before you signed the contract that 8 in a row was all that is guaranteed". That was enough to make me realize I would have NO ground to stand on by saying "you guys give everybody 10 off in a row"...
Maybe they change the contract from time to time. When I applied through CReW, AJV offered 10 consecutive, now it is only 8. I wanted to take your words and EK's on Airline Pilot Central forums, and use that as my contract. At the end of the day though, I am responsible for the language I was going to sign off on, not the posts I've read here, you know what I mean?
A lot of things can happen in 5 years. They might actually need to give guys only the 8 days consecutive. We'll see. On the other hand, they might improve on the contract for everyone, like they've done in the past.
Enjoy your time there, you have a great deal going.
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Dom,
Let the gang know I applied thru PARC I let you know what happens.
Tell Andy and Matt I said howdy.
Jobear
Let the gang know I applied thru PARC I let you know what happens.
Tell Andy and Matt I said howdy.
Jobear
At the end of the day though, I am responsible for the language I was going to sign off on, not the posts I've read here, you know what I mean?
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The Dominican.
Thank you for your helpful info. I'm going through the motions of applying or not.
Can you please tell me how the pilots with kids are coping. And how are the kids coping.
Thank you.
Thank you for your helpful info. I'm going through the motions of applying or not.
Can you please tell me how the pilots with kids are coping. And how are the kids coping.
Thank you.
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snotneus, aviation sucks! what can I say? flying the airplane is that part of it all that we would do for free, our salaries are earned by the personal sacrifices of separation from your family. The vast majority of pilots here are married and have kids, I can't speak for them because the question is subjective in nature but I can speak for my own experience. My kids have adapted to the lifestyle very well actually, having all you days off in a row can be a good thing for your kids if when you are home you dedicate your time to them. Your partner (wife) is who will make this work for you or not, if she is not independent and capable to handle problems (that always come up when you are away, the toilet doesn't clog when you are home) on her own then things will start building up. Technology does help quite a bit, the fact that I speak to them and I can see them and they can see me 2 and 3 times everyday does help quite a bit. But hey, aviation sucks!
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Does anyone know what the experience level is of the people getting called for an interview? I read in previous posts that its going up for obviuos reasons but I was wondering how much time people had that were getting called.
Thanks
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Schedule is the same , no matter where you live. As far as the wife and kids are concerned, my missus ( for some reason) is always in a great hurry to see me go and she always burns rubber when she drops me off at he airport!! Maybe it's because the toilet always gets clogged when i'm home!!
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Lookinround,
There is probably a good reason AJX/AJV want you to go home (scurry off, go anywhere, go away) upon completing duty. Employing foreigners to do anything in Japan is a very contentious issue.
And you only have to consider the bad wrap the Cathay pilots get in Hong Kong. I don't imagine that base in Tokyo for foreigners would be a very popular idea there.
However, if you already possessed the right of abode in Japan or some kind of of immigrant landing visa, then what are they going to do? Deport you? Without formal sponsorship from your employer, they will assume you are attempting to colonize them or takeover their country.
Good luck
There is probably a good reason AJX/AJV want you to go home (scurry off, go anywhere, go away) upon completing duty. Employing foreigners to do anything in Japan is a very contentious issue.
And you only have to consider the bad wrap the Cathay pilots get in Hong Kong. I don't imagine that base in Tokyo for foreigners would be a very popular idea there.
However, if you already possessed the right of abode in Japan or some kind of of immigrant landing visa, then what are they going to do? Deport you? Without formal sponsorship from your employer, they will assume you are attempting to colonize them or takeover their country.
Good luck
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Both outfits are only required to give 8 days consecutive (by contract) but in practice have almost always given 10/11. Does anyone ever remember not getting 10 consecutive?
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There is probably a good reason AJX/AJV want you to go home (scurry off, go anywhere, go away) upon completing duty. Employing foreigners to do anything in Japan is a very contentious issue.
And you only have to consider the bad wrap the Cathay pilots get in Hong Kong. I don't imagine that base in Tokyo for foreigners would be a very popular idea there.
And you only have to consider the bad wrap the Cathay pilots get in Hong Kong. I don't imagine that base in Tokyo for foreigners would be a very popular idea there.
The only two contracts offered by ANA that are commuting contracts are at AJV\AJX. All other contracts (ANK=737, A-net=Q 400, IBEX=CRJ's) are all residing contracts.The reasons are very different than those you imply, it is a matter of "money" it is not social or political. It is not only the difference of salaries with our local counterparts but also the fact that there is no tax liability to the company from these employees since we don't reside in Japan
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Otake(Elvis) only gave the boys 8 days off in a row at the start.....a few of the boys spat the dummy!!! Elvis was promoted sideways(never to be seen again) and ever since then you get at least 10 days off, more if you want ie added leave.
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Expat FO commuting with EU
Is there any expat FO currently working for ANA?
I'm looking for information according to commuting program with Paris, London, Germany or Milan!
Thanks
I'm looking for information according to commuting program with Paris, London, Germany or Milan!
Thanks
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ANA take FO's and DEC's. It is likely that in the near future, it will only be FO's.
Just as a guess, EU applications are quite welcome. Just be a bit careful with P1 time vs Command time. Not same same.
We have crew that commute to northern Europe, the UK and the odd one heading to Italy.
Good luck
Just as a guess, EU applications are quite welcome. Just be a bit careful with P1 time vs Command time. Not same same.
We have crew that commute to northern Europe, the UK and the odd one heading to Italy.
Good luck