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Old 27th Sep 2018, 06:20
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Originally Posted by heavydane View Post
its a matter of opening Your ears and shutting Your mouth, except for the obligatory Yes Sir and Ohh I see, then You will do fine.

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Heavydane
That is probably good advice anywhere in the world. Unfortunate that so few follow it ....
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 07:28
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Sorry, just ti be sure. You guys confirm that when you get your JCAB licence you keep your European/FAA licence as well right?
The Jcab will not ask you to renounce to your original licence right?

Thanks
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 10:19
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
Sorry, just ti be sure. You guys confirm that when you get your JCAB licence you keep your European/FAA licence as well right?
The Jcab will not ask you to renounce to your original licence right?

Thanks
No. Does any country do that?
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 20:26
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Renounce your licence? How on earth would they do that? Are you maybe getting confused with countries who make you renounce a citizenship?
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 05:47
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Excellent thatís good then. I was just asking because within Europe you can only have one licence from one country. If you have a German licence you need to renounce to it when you get say a Spanish licence. But thatís because they are both within EASA I guess. I just asked to be sure. Thanks
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 16:31
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Hey guys,
Thanks for a sencirely amazing forum. Iím an F/O at a US regional and Iíve been considering applying for the 767 gig for a while now.
Something that was touched on before but I wanna confirm, whatís the upwards movement like? Honestly I want to do the super long passenger legs ideally in the 787 and I donít mind putting in my time in a 767 but if Iím going to be stuck doing freight my career there it might be a deal breaker.

thanks again folks!
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 11:58
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Originally Posted by LiteralCactus View Post
Hey guys,
Thanks for a sencirely amazing forum. Iím an F/O at a US regional and Iíve been considering applying for the 767 gig for a while now.
Something that was touched on before but I wanna confirm, whatís the upwards movement like? Honestly I want to do the super long passenger legs ideally in the 787 and I donít mind putting in my time in a 767 but if Iím going to be stuck doing freight my career there it might be a deal breaker.

thanks again folks!
Not sure what you mean by "super long passenger legs" but the only long leg the 787 has right now is the HNL flight at 8 hours. Most others are just to China/HKG and back. I guess you could call the SIN leg long but I don't. Here's the deal. You get hired here in the 767 flying both passenger and cargo. You can ask to transfer to the 787 after a bit. (not sure of how long you have to be here for that) But in the meantime you will be doing the 767. Freight is not that bad of a deal. Sure you fly a lot at night but so does the passenger flights. Best thing about the freight is you don't have to worry about any passengers or cabin attendants in the back during turbulence. Makes it a much more relaxing flight.

My question to you though. As a US pilot why would you want to come here with the hiring environment at home right now? You will make more money and have a better retirement in the US.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 15:10
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Originally Posted by jrmyl View Post
My question to you though. As a US pilot why would you want to come here with the hiring environment at home right now? You will make more money and have a better retirement in the US.
Thanks for the response!
Honestly I really want the opportunity to go live and work outside the US. I figure Iím 26, no spouse or kids, now is the time to do it. And if I dint like it im only committed to 5 years.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 17:54
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Ok one word, seniority!
Get a job with a major now and come here later, not the other way around. Get a number and then explore the world on Leave of absence.

Respectfully
HD
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 23:23
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I have been working at a major airline in Canada for the past 12+. I have been a wide-body Captain for 7+. I have put in the time for my company to get up to a comfortable spot where I can have great choice of schedule. I still have 24 years to go before I retire.I typically work between 6 to 9 days a month doing trans-Atlantic flights to great European destinations. My family and I live in Japan. Thanks to my employer, I still keep my seniority, union protection and great paycheck. I found that this is the best life for me and my family. So here is what you can do: Get a job at a major Airline in the US.Build seniority, then, explore or move to anywhere in the world you want, while keeping your job in your country of origin...
Works well for me!
Gambatte!
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 07:31
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I would say that among mere mortals like myself the chances of doing what you are doing apply to probably 0.02% of the pilots population.
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 15:23
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Do new joiners still have to do all the JCAB exams which take about 10 months or so and are you allowed to have your family with you during this period?
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 23:01
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Daddy when I looked at this job last year the people at Longreach said I wouldn’t need to do ALL the JCAB exams as I hold an Australian and HK ATPL. As usual you have to do their law exams and maybe one other but I can’t remember. I doubt they would have changed this rule in the past 12 months but you never know. Give one of the recruiting firms a call or send an email, they are very helpful as their bottom line relies on filling seats.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 00:16
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You'll spend the first couple of weeks in the classroom preparing for the air law and radio exams. You will be adequately coached to pass. After that you'll do your 767 ground school (assuming you're not type rated) and there's an exam for that. There are various minor exams throughout the rest of training, as there would be with any other airline e.g. performance. So long as you do a reasonable amount of studying you'll have no problems. During the simulator training you'll do your type rating test and then the ATPL test. After that they'll give you 10 days off while they sort out your licence with JCAB and then you start your route training/IOE/line training/OJT (delete as required).

Your entire training will take around 6-7 months. During this time the company will pay for your family to travel to Japan once and they provide 7(?) nights of hotel accommodation for them. After that, assuming you're married, your wife will get another free ticket to come to Japan but no hotel the second time round (unless it's changed since I did it). AJX will provide an apartment while you're in Tokyo doing your training and then accommodate you in the MyStays Hotel in Narita during OJT. During this time it's entirely up to you if your family visits or stays. So long as they don't exceed the days limit on the tourist visa they can stay with you. I would suggest it's probably not a good idea in the very beginning as you'll need to put in a bit of work and it's likely to be better without distractions. After that, however, it's up to you.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 07:32
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Originally Posted by Fratemate View Post
You'll spend the first couple of weeks in the classroom preparing for the air law and radio exams. You will be adequately coached to pass. After that you'll do your 767 ground school (assuming you're not type rated) and there's an exam for that. There are various minor exams throughout the rest of training, as there would be with any other airline e.g. performance. So long as you do a reasonable amount of studying you'll have no problems. During the simulator training you'll do your type rating test and then the ATPL test. After that they'll give you 10 days off while they sort out your licence with JCAB and then you start your route training/IOE/line training/OJT (delete as required).

Your entire training will take around 6-7 months. During this time the company will pay for your family to travel to Japan once and they provide 7(?) nights of hotel accommodation for them. After that, assuming you're married, your wife will get another free ticket to come to Japan but no hotel the second time round (unless it's changed since I did it). AJX will provide an apartment while you're in Tokyo doing your training and then accommodate you in the MyStays Hotel in Narita during OJT. During this time it's entirely up to you if your family visits or stays. So long as they don't exceed the days limit on the tourist visa they can stay with you. I would suggest it's probably not a good idea in the very beginning as you'll need to put in a bit of work and it's likely to be better without distractions. After that, however, it's up to you.
Nice one FrateMate, good info.

If I did do this job I would want my family with me as I have a 1 year old so I would not be prepared to not see her or hardly see her over a 6 to 7 month period.

I understand the pressures of a type rating as I have done a few but to me not seeing my family would just not be worth it. So as long as they have no issues with me having my family there I would take a look.

Do you have to start on the 767 or can you go straight to the 787?

DF
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 15:05
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Grrr

Hi. Been following ANAs post for some time.
Was disappointed to see their requirement for NTR Captains with Non JCAB license. Have well over 6000 + hrs but PIC time is only 3000+. I don't understand their logic - how does one acquire 4500 hrs Jet PIC time with 6000 hrs TT? Are there any chances of lowering their PIC requirement?
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 22:38
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Daddy
Would suggest you have a decent look at previous posts as they cover this...and the Japanese mentality does not change.

You are there to serve the company, your family concerns are pleasant but inconsequential.
You are there to complete THEIR requiements, your desires/needs are inconsequential.

Your want/need to confront them about a family issue is the start of the slippery slope of being "unsuitable"...if the slippery slope hasn't already been started for any number of reasons during training to date.

Worked in Japan for another operator but believe the mentality is consistent, happy to be corrected if all of a sudden happy/cuddly/fluffy has become a thing in corporate Japan.

And straight onto the 787? Interesting delusion I would have thought.
Cheers.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 22:55
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Fratemate,

I am current on the B767 (SIC), do I get some kind of waiver on the theory/simulator part?

Cheers,
BF
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 03:51
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No work around!

We seem to be going in circles on this thread.
There is a lot of good information on T&C, quality of life etc. in this thread.
How ever the issue of training and specifically the length of training keeps popping up in various questions and theories about possible workarounds.
Forget it people, there is no way around it. This is a very good gig and the price af admission is 6-8 month in Tokyo/Narita getting used to the lokal way of doing things, typed and checked to line.
I realize this can be difficult to grasp if one works someplace where a type rating can be done in 2 weeks, but thats not the case here.
My advise for anyone interested in this job is to sit down with Your loved ones and find out if You have the support to do this.

Sincerely
HD
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 05:17
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BF

Your time will get you in the door/get you the gig if all else goes well.

After that your time is worthless as not in a Japanese aircraft operating to Japanese procedures and standards.
It is inferior experience and flying.

You will do a full endorsement process to Japanese standard - whatever exactly that is - whether typed or not.
Just the way it is, their trainset, like it/accept it or don't take the ride.

Above post by HD hits nail firmly on head.
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