Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders - where are you?

[Hermie]

I believe SYFC only takes in RSAF Pilots for their instructors and noone else.

[Sonic69]

Malaysia and Singapore does the same ATPL papers (basically the UK CAA ATPL exams - 14 papers, that even the UK pilots don't do anymore. They do the JAA ATPL now). So, yes you do not have to do the ATPL with SFC again. You've already passed them. Yes, you will have to do Airlaw in Singapore. Every country has different Airlaw papers.
Basically, Malaysian DCA CPL and Singapore CAAS CPL are mutually acceptable.

Good luck and all the best to you man! Let us know how you get on.

M DCA also one kind. Why they don't accept any other country's ME rating is beyond me. Its not like they have the world's foremost ME training.

Singapore001, are you Malaysian or Singaporean? Can you verify that you got a FAA CPL/IR, approached a Msian academy to convert to Msian CPL and wrote the ATPL papers with them, will finish ME and graduate with a Malaysian CPL ME/IR fATPL? Does this mean I can get my CASA CPL/IR, join MFA or KLIFA just to write my ATPL, complete ME rating with them and get DCA CPL ME/IR fATPL?

[Sonic69]

Ok, yup I thought so. The abridged option is not open to foreigners (anyone not a Malaysian citizen). I've checked before.

Hope you fulfill your dream soon.

Worst case is you apply to Air Asia. Heard that from application to start of Type Rating training is 6 weeks. They're really expanding fast.

[wannabe15]

@wannabe15, you are already on your way with the PPL. All you need to do now is build hours to about 200 and study for your CPL exams. PM me for resources if you need. Get Class 1 medical done. Only need about 1 month in total to convert to Oz PPL as well as finish up CPL exams and check ride (plain vanilla CPL Single Engine VFR). Up to you if you want to complete ME/IR at the same time. IR will take another 3-4 weeks

sonic,

thanks for your offer. unfortunately i'm in the same boat as you, got a full-time job which already occupies 3/4 of waking hours and need to earn the dole to pay the bills.

Oz option is out but am comtemplating taking the full malaysian route (cannot waste my PPL) ie self study all papers at night just like you. problem is must find all the reading resources and also need 500hrs? before getting the licenses instead of 200hrs via integrated route? but one thing is certain: get the class 1 first (btw PPL expired) and pass all the exams then talk. no point thinking what if this, that etc.. correct?

[wannabe15]

singapore001

say, you know what? i got my PPL from MFA years ago!! you think mdca will give exemptions?

yes, i saw the syllabus and the textbooks for the CAA when i was there. you need to be very self discipline to clear all on your own.

i agree with you on the state of MFA but objectively, then some of the ground instructors were very dedicated (eg capt pash.good man. wondering if he's still there) and i actually enjoyed the ground school subjects and interacting with them.! problem is most of my other course mates cannot appreciate such dedication and hence even the most dedicated teachers will feel demoralised and lose the passion to teach with such students.

thanks for sharing. will keep your offer in mind.

[Macarto]

What are all the License that CAAS recognises. Like the fATPL from MFA is recognised by SIA are their any others? For instance WFA, Massey. If i am not wrong SIA and most airlines only accept self-sponsored cadets with ATPL? so even with a CPL/IR chances of being hired is low here in Asia?

Singapore Flyer, when u did yr CPL/IR in MFA i assume it was full time right? Since they dont provide part time courses for CPL/IR. How much was it and was the living environment good? I am considering between MFA for malaysia only and other flight schools in Australia, Nz. Thanks

[Macarto]

That means that if i were to attend MFA i would have to go through the CPL/IR integrated with fATPL course right? How much is the course inclusive of lodging do u have any idea? Did u go for the ab initio first before u went to MFA? Or did u go straight to MFA before trying out for SQ cadet Ab Initio?
How is the academy Study environment there is it good? Reccommendable?

[Sonic69]

Macarto, in your case, its best if you just apply to SFC after you graduate and tell them that you are willing to be bonded as an instructor with them for x years (I heard its about 3 or 5). If they reject you, you can still apply to SQ when you're 26. If they reject you then, you can look at doing a self-sponsored licence. If your focus at that time is still SQ, the only flying schools you should look at are SFC and any of the Msian academies. Be warned that at this time, Msian schools are charging RM200k for the integrated course, not inclusive of food and lodging. AND they take a minimum of 2 years to complete because of shortage of reliable aircraft and instructors. BUT, who knows what they will be like in 8 years time when you're there.

This is your straightforward route. All this talk about CPL ME/IR and fATPL by us is because we have to juggle family with work/income and trying to pursue our flying dream.

Personally, if I was in your shoes and knew then what I know now, I would just do my CPL in either Oz or Canada at the same time as doing a Degree. Then instruct and clock hours and get my ATPL done. After that, the world is your oyster. At 22 or 23 yo, you are an ATPL, instructor rated with 1000 hrs of instructor experience. Singapore Flyer already spelled out what the job progression is so I won't cover that again.

[MDT06]

Sonic,

"Great question. I have met a Canadian CPL ME/IR holder at Seletar currently going through the SQ cadet program doing the ATPL portion. If you don't already have your ATPL done with 1500hrs plus type rating, it would be almost a certainty that SQ will get you to go through their initial ATPL stage together with your batch. However, your flight training portion at Jandakot will be much shortened as you do not have to do the ab initio flying again"




Don't you have to be a Singapore Citizen, Singapore Permanent Resident or Malaysian Citizen to be accepted in the SQ cadet program?

[Macarto]

Yes,you still need the minimun requirement even though you have your cpl and atpl. There are a lot of australian grad malaysian in SIA cadet.Unfortunately they have to go through almost the same phase as a fresh zero hours cadet except those with hours get exemptions of about 60 hours in jandakot perth.

You still need to go through tech phase and atpl in seletar.However SIA do recognise certain flying school like massey uni from new zealand. If you have your cpl form massey,you will skip tech phase and flying phase in perth, do 4 month of atpl and then staright to brisbane to do your learjet 45 before coming back to singapore on 777 converstaion.Will take roughly about less than a year.

History has shown that most private cadet which opt for the SIA direct entry co pilot will have the cargo contract flying the 744.Also for local boys,sia do not recognise school like hma,afpt,or any other school in malaysia due to the perception of low quality of flight training.


Is this True?

[Sonic69]

Don't you have to be a Singapore Citizen, Singapore Permanent Resident or Malaysian Citizen to be accepted in the SQ cadet program?

They also recruiting Indian Nationals now. This guy I'm talking about is an Indian National with a Canadian licence.

[Sonic69]

Also for local boys,sia do not recognise school like hma,afpt,or any other school in malaysia due to the perception of low quality of flight training.

Is this True?

A Msian fATPL is accepted by CAAS. Whether SQ wants to employ the person or not is entirely up to them for whatever reasons they wish to use to justify.

[wildcat_07]

New to the forum

I'm interested in working for SIA, but had a few questions -

Would SIA consider direct hire (vs cadet trng) of US citizens? I understand they're looking for 777 captains now (Aug 08). Current quals - US ATP and ~3400 in single/2-seat mulit-eng jet (no transport cert). I hope to meet folks working for the company.

[Sonic69]

Very unlikely if you don't already have TR for the types that they operate.

But i'm sure there are other threads that will offer more info.

[singapore001]

WildCAt07,

The PIC hrs count towards the command post of B777. I know of many expats whom are joining SQ as capts.

Confirm that your hrs are PIC Multi Time? I think your hrs are way short for the command post. I know of A320 pilots with enough command time going direct to B777 as Capts. However, they have almost twice your hrs. You can check with the SIA Expats thread. I read it recently. Just spend some time searching for it.

[Macarto]

I was actually thinking of going to Australia or Massey to do a CPL/IR and get a degree at the same time. Not sure if the Degree must be a bachelor of aviation degree? Can it be totally unrelated? Waiting until 26 i feel is a waste of time and resource. Like u said, what if i get rejected by SIA at 26 when i apply for the ab initio? I would still have to go and get a CPL/IR during that time i suppose if i have opted for the local uni route. But again without a fATPL from Massey or WA how am i suppose to apply for SQ? Apply through their SQ cadet programm though i have maybe 1000 hours like u said?

Dont really quite get u talking about join SFC after my NS and being bonded as a instructor? I thought instructors have to be very experienced? Or i suppose yr refering to when i get accept and retire after my SIA pilot career, HOPEFULLY.

By the way i Suppose this is the only way for me once i graduate since no course in any local university interest me besides business but no CPL/IR i can get locally at the same time during my uni days right? My parents have said they will fully support my decision now is the time to make a right one. Though frankly speaking i have 2 years of NS? Maybe im too excited about it huh

[Sonic69]

Its good that you're excited. Shows that at least you're interested about it. Yes, you have NS to think it through, but you must decide first of all what is your goal. If you can clearly define your goal, it will be easier to evaluate which path to take to get there. If you don't know where you're going, you will be going around in circles.

I know of 1 case where after NS, this young chap was put through the CPL fATPL by SFC, plus instructor rating and bonded for 5 years. So that at 26-27yo he immediately goes through Type Rating with SQ. Of course, not everyone is going to get this option.

No, the degree does not have to be aviation related.

[Macarto]

Who is this Chap, is he a SQ F/O now? So i presume that this Guy has is not a degree holder, and his highest level on certification is a Diploma or A level education certificate?

According to Massey it states that The Bachelor of Aviation - Air Transport Pilot programme is only available to students who study in New Zealand. Is this a Degree or a CPL,ATPL or is it a intergrated degree and CPL/ATPL Course?

I guess im not taking the risk of waiting for the age of 26 to apply for SIA cadet program. Nor am i going to a local uni then as i wont be able to get my CPL/IR ATPL at the same time. Besides WA and Massey's are there any other recommendable institutions?

Sonic where are u taking yr CPL/IR papers?

[Sonic69]

You can try a little known University called Embry-Riddle. Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University - World's Leader in Aviation and Aerospace Education

I take my exams in Perth, Western Australia.

[Macarto]

do you happen to know whether SFC accepts self-sponsored applicants below SQ's stipulated age?