R/T status in KL FIR
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Descend Clearances
The first descend was probably by SIN Ctrl, as it happens over the sea. KUL radar normally took over just before crossing the coastline.
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descend into KUL
Lesenterbang,I'm fully aware of who control over South China Sea, before VPK or TAXUL. But with good coordination between KUL and SIN ATC, plane can be cleared to intermediate level ie, FL310/290 before VPK/TAXUL instead of maintaining FL380/400 which well passed the TOD point once passed VPK/TAXUL fix.
Like many ATC in this world, normally the adjacent controller will cleared you to descend to an intermediate level and then pass it over to the next controller. One example is Wien (Austria), where most part of the descend from the east is controlled by Bratislava due to close proximity of the two FIRs.
As I have suggested earlier, the intermediate level (FL310/290) would probably a good level to fly over VPK/TAXUL before your next descend once KUL takes over. It won't be too high at that point that one would have no choice but to use speed brakes or charging with higher speed to get back on profile. It also depend on the type of plane you fly and speed at the time you cross VPK/TAXUL. I've flown the A330 and B777. This planes are much "cleaner" than the B737 and to loose height or speed, would most likely have to deploy the speed brake if higher than normal profile.
After all, it's up to individual preference. To descend to intermediate level or keep your initial cruising level and charge down with high speed and speedbrake. I don't fly to KUL nowadays as a "skipper". Just giving my opinion on the subject.
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Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Adha, Merry Xmas & Happy New Year
Hi Veloo,
HKG ATC just announced that they will start to reduce separation from 5nm to 4 nm on final WEF 01 Jan 2008 and the trial period will be for 3 months. Any plan for such procedure in KUL especially during peak hours?
Cheers
Hi Veloo,
HKG ATC just announced that they will start to reduce separation from 5nm to 4 nm on final WEF 01 Jan 2008 and the trial period will be for 3 months. Any plan for such procedure in KUL especially during peak hours?
Cheers
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Approach Minima
Hi Virtual...thnxs for the info. On our side there has been suggestions to reduce the minima. Some CTlers are for it and some are not. It is not due to CTLer capability BUT rather insufficient equipment at KLIA(particularly for simultaneous approaches into KLIA). Discussions are on going and u may hear some improvements soon.
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WISHING ALL PPRUNERS A BLESSED CHRISTMAS AND AN INCIDENT FREE 2008.
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Happy Chinese New Year
Hello Aviators and fellow Ctlers...Lumpur ATC wishes all a very happy and prosperous Chinese New Year. GONG XI FA CAI.
You have left an area of flight safety to be with your loved ones. Now...drive safely. catch you guys again in the air.
You have left an area of flight safety to be with your loved ones. Now...drive safely. catch you guys again in the air.
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Hi Veloo,
How do you rate this controller based on clearance given?
Callsign, CLEARED taxi to holding point Rwy 32R via H, B, A11 and hold short of B.
This is exactly what I heard few days ago from Lumpur Ground.
How do you rate this controller based on clearance given?
Callsign, CLEARED taxi to holding point Rwy 32R via H, B, A11 and hold short of B.
This is exactly what I heard few days ago from Lumpur Ground.
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This type of clearence had been highlighted to ATClers before.Sadly,nothing changed.
Expected standard taxy clearence should not be given with restrictions.In this case,IMHO,should just be "Cleared to taxy on H/G/K and hold shot B." Holding point should not be mentioned.
Expected standard taxy clearence should not be given with restrictions.In this case,IMHO,should just be "Cleared to taxy on H/G/K and hold shot B." Holding point should not be mentioned.
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Mr Veloo,
is there any plan to create "Subang Approach"?
I find Approach North 124.2 is always busy with traffics to/from Subang.
Today on my flt departing to DownSouth, we were held quite 1 or 2 mins by Subang's traffics.
Selamat Mengundi
is there any plan to create "Subang Approach"?
I find Approach North 124.2 is always busy with traffics to/from Subang.
Today on my flt departing to DownSouth, we were held quite 1 or 2 mins by Subang's traffics.
Selamat Mengundi
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SZB Approach?
Hello there Fair.pilot...Yes..I totally agree that 124.2 can be and
is becoming busy nowadays. 124.2 has to take care of both
KLIA and SZB. Though priority is for KLIA dep n arr, SZB is
becoming a cause of concern for Apch North. somehow the
boys and girls are juggling and pushing the tins up and down
to their best of ability thus far. Maybe ur idea of SZB Apch
will be looked into.
No..there are no plans for SZB appch. at the moment.
Plans are for Apch Low.This too depends upon how soon can we train
the boys and gals.
is becoming busy nowadays. 124.2 has to take care of both
KLIA and SZB. Though priority is for KLIA dep n arr, SZB is
becoming a cause of concern for Apch North. somehow the
boys and girls are juggling and pushing the tins up and down
to their best of ability thus far. Maybe ur idea of SZB Apch
will be looked into.
No..there are no plans for SZB appch. at the moment.
Plans are for Apch Low.This too depends upon how soon can we train
the boys and gals.
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Please allow me to divert to the current 12th General Election, regarding PM Pak Lah.
There's mounting pressure from some quarters e.g former PM Tun Mahathir for Pak Lah to resign. Having met him and known him, Pak Lah is definitely a nice and clean (corruption free) man.
Too bad, he inherited bad policies and corrupted government from Dr M.
Rising crime rate, rotting judiciary and made worse by recent Lingam case on brokering judges appointment has finally taken a toll on him.
Flashing of "Kris" at UMNO assembly definitely did not go down well too, with other races.
NEP(New Economics Policy) with are always racial bias/discriminatory are to be blamed too. Many brain drains to neighbouring country.
Son-in-law Khairy's fast rise also may cause jealousy within party.
Millions of Indonesians getting PRs easily whilst educated and qualified profesionals are marginalised.
If not for oil palm and Petronas, this Boleh Land is long considered a gone nation like Somalia in Africa.
Look at Singapore, with NO natural resources and yet rich and strong.
Hang in there Pak Lah, you're many times better than your deputy Najib!
Visit www.malaysiakini.com For the truth of Negaraku
There's mounting pressure from some quarters e.g former PM Tun Mahathir for Pak Lah to resign. Having met him and known him, Pak Lah is definitely a nice and clean (corruption free) man.
Too bad, he inherited bad policies and corrupted government from Dr M.
Rising crime rate, rotting judiciary and made worse by recent Lingam case on brokering judges appointment has finally taken a toll on him.
Flashing of "Kris" at UMNO assembly definitely did not go down well too, with other races.
NEP(New Economics Policy) with are always racial bias/discriminatory are to be blamed too. Many brain drains to neighbouring country.
Son-in-law Khairy's fast rise also may cause jealousy within party.
Millions of Indonesians getting PRs easily whilst educated and qualified profesionals are marginalised.
If not for oil palm and Petronas, this Boleh Land is long considered a gone nation like Somalia in Africa.
Look at Singapore, with NO natural resources and yet rich and strong.
Hang in there Pak Lah, you're many times better than your deputy Najib!
Visit www.malaysiakini.com For the truth of Negaraku
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Gentlemen, sorry if this has been addressed earlier in this forum, but a quick thread search didn't come up with an obvious "hits".
I fly regularly to and from KLIA and nearly always have great difficulty determining which runway is actually in use for departures from the KLIA ATIS. I am a native English speaker, have worked here for many years and have a relatively good 'ear' for the local accent.
My problem is that many times I cannot, even after multiple tries, distinguish between: 32 Reft, 32 Light, 32 Lyft and 32 Ryft..... or the more conventional 32 LEFT or 32 RIGHT. This makes it difficult, at best, to determine which RW I should be making out my 377,842 KG bug card for.
Perhaps, it is the equipment used to record the ATIS?
I am certain that I have heard, at "other" locations.... the use of a "Romeo" or "Lima". suffix, indicating left or right. Use of that system, though unconventional, would alleviate this problem altogether.
Any help getting this sorted would be greatly appreciated.
I fly regularly to and from KLIA and nearly always have great difficulty determining which runway is actually in use for departures from the KLIA ATIS. I am a native English speaker, have worked here for many years and have a relatively good 'ear' for the local accent.
My problem is that many times I cannot, even after multiple tries, distinguish between: 32 Reft, 32 Light, 32 Lyft and 32 Ryft.....
or the more conventional 32 LEFT or 32 RIGHT. This makes it difficult, at best, to determine which RW I should be making out my 377,842 KG bug card for.Perhaps, it is the equipment used to record the ATIS?
I am certain that I have heard, at "other" locations.... the use of a "Romeo" or "Lima". suffix, indicating left or right. Use of that system, though unconventional, would alleviate this problem altogether.
Any help getting this sorted would be greatly appreciated.
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Just experienced the "confusion" again upon returning to KUL from MEL at 2200Z. T'was impossible to determine landing runway from the ATIS prior to reaching VJR.
Hope someone in KLIA ATC is still monitoring this sticky! If so, please PM me.
Hope someone in KLIA ATC is still monitoring this sticky! If so, please PM me.
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Anyone else?
Hi Aviators..can anyone else substantiate KATO's readability status?
Is your problem with the ATIS txs???
Let me know so that it can be rectified soon.
Is your problem with the ATIS txs???
Let me know so that it can be rectified soon.
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Yes, i can confirm these problem. Many times in KL it is not possible to understand whether ATIS says left or right on runways in use. It is very hard. I think it is the automated voice that is the cause. I am glad there is a way we can tell about this.
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Kato 747 has a valid concern here. The last few times I have transitted Kuala, I've noticed this problem with the ATIS, It seems to be only there in KL.
Most times, the words Left and Right are indistinguishable on the recording.
Usually, we just make out takeoff data for both runways and wait until we receive our clearance. That doesn't solve the problem on arrivals, though.
Kato, I think it is Jeddah that uses the romeo/lima phraseology.
Most times, the words Left and Right are indistinguishable on the recording.
Usually, we just make out takeoff data for both runways and wait until we receive our clearance. That doesn't solve the problem on arrivals, though.
Kato, I think it is Jeddah that uses the romeo/lima phraseology.