SIA Cargo Hiring!!!! (merged)
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I'm afraid it's only when you'd have been in SIA a little time that you would realise the error of your assumption "I could think of plenty of worse places to be....."
I'm afraid it's only when you'd have been in SIA a little time that you would realise the error of your assumption "I could think of plenty of worse places to be....."
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The word from SIN is that SIA have at last been able to recruit three or four captains from Argentina (not sure which airline they are ex) for SIA Cargo and on the new pay scale (S$7,000/USD4,130 per month).
What is even newer is the S$130,000/USD77,000 bank guarantee, required to be deposited in a Singapore bank, in addition to the S$300,000, five year bond. For some reason, SIA seems concerned that these pilots might suddenly realize in the near future that they have made the biggest mistake in their lives and wish to skip the bond forthwith!
What is even newer is the S$130,000/USD77,000 bank guarantee, required to be deposited in a Singapore bank, in addition to the S$300,000, five year bond. For some reason, SIA seems concerned that these pilots might suddenly realize in the near future that they have made the biggest mistake in their lives and wish to skip the bond forthwith!
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Had an email from SIA Cargo the other day, saying that they had re-evaluated my CV, and would I fill out their application form! (They said no initially because I barely had the 2500 jet hours). But I reckon from what those in the know have said on here - they can keep their job! Thanks to the power of PPRuNe!!!!!
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G'day,
being that this thread has lapsed a little lately I was wondering if anyone knows whether there has been any takers lately, other than the four cap's from south america?? If they really need people that bad it seems that eventually T&C will have to change... or what??
Brgds,
being that this thread has lapsed a little lately I was wondering if anyone knows whether there has been any takers lately, other than the four cap's from south america?? If they really need people that bad it seems that eventually T&C will have to change... or what??
Brgds,
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Hi SFontaine,
Can you elaborate on the changes possibly underway? It seems as if the only changes that will help is more money, both as pay and as better educational- and housing allowance.
Nobody wants to move an entire family around the world if all you see are sticks and no carrots.
Brgds,
Ramrise
Can you elaborate on the changes possibly underway? It seems as if the only changes that will help is more money, both as pay and as better educational- and housing allowance.
Nobody wants to move an entire family around the world if all you see are sticks and no carrots.
Brgds,
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Ramrise
Please be under no illusion that the only change around here will be the relationship between the "variable” and the fixed elements of the pay package to produce a total monthly figure the same or less than presently paid. The idea being that in the next financial “crisis” (real or manufactured), it’s the employees who get it in the neck, not the shareholders. To imagine that there will be “more money, both as pay and as better educational- and housing allowance.” Is so ludicrous and naively optimistic as to be laughable.
Have you not been properly reading the SIA threads over the past few months? What makes you think that a rapacious and inhuman organization such as SIA is going to change over night into a reasonable, fair, HR orientated paragon of virtue?
You're far better off staying in the dream world you obviously live in.
Please be under no illusion that the only change around here will be the relationship between the "variable” and the fixed elements of the pay package to produce a total monthly figure the same or less than presently paid. The idea being that in the next financial “crisis” (real or manufactured), it’s the employees who get it in the neck, not the shareholders. To imagine that there will be “more money, both as pay and as better educational- and housing allowance.” Is so ludicrous and naively optimistic as to be laughable.
Have you not been properly reading the SIA threads over the past few months? What makes you think that a rapacious and inhuman organization such as SIA is going to change over night into a reasonable, fair, HR orientated paragon of virtue?
You're far better off staying in the dream world you obviously live in.
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HighCirrus,
I most certainly have no illusions about SIA. I just don't know precisely what 'the deal is'. Hence the search for info.
Your input is valued as it supports the opinions found in 99% of the replies. If you have any other information I would very much appreciate it. I have had a very good job the past 6 to 7 years, still do, but even that has changed and that has prompted me to look around.
Brgds,
Ramrise
I most certainly have no illusions about SIA. I just don't know precisely what 'the deal is'. Hence the search for info.
Your input is valued as it supports the opinions found in 99% of the replies. If you have any other information I would very much appreciate it. I have had a very good job the past 6 to 7 years, still do, but even that has changed and that has prompted me to look around.
Brgds,
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SIA and Scandinavian Airlines, SAS, through Lagarhus Aviation Consulting, are apparently collaborating in a deal whereby excess pilots from SAS would be given a 4 year contract with SIA at fairly good wages and benefits, while remaining on the SAS seniority list during this leave of absence. The interest among SAS pilots is very large, due primarily to the fact that very few know about "pprune" and even fewer have read this thread, unfortunately. 100's of pilots are showing up for scheduled SIA information meetings around Scandinavia. The high interest is understandable given the fact that SAS is fast going the way of Sabena and SwissAir, that is, towards oblivion (What is it with airlines begining with "S"???)
The deal is as follows:
Captains pay of roughly US$9400/month
FO pay US$6300/month
Housing allowance, for both Cpt and FO, US$1500/month
Per diem roughly US$1200/month
Child education allowance
NO PENSION PAY IN, but SAS will pay this until the end of 2006.
Sounds pretty good, but the training bond and dreaded bank guarentee is still required.
For a Scandinavian pilot suffering under the weight of the worlds highest taxes (between 60 and 75% tax expense on your total wage) the tax rate in SIN is very appealing.
And with a SAS CEO and management apparently well schooled in the ways of SIA's armchair generals, many SAS pilots want nothing more than to get away.
I believe SIA can expect at least 100 well trained and experienced SAS pilots taking their offer. We'll see in a month or so.
Rather Be Sailing
The deal is as follows:
Captains pay of roughly US$9400/month
FO pay US$6300/month
Housing allowance, for both Cpt and FO, US$1500/month
Per diem roughly US$1200/month
Child education allowance
NO PENSION PAY IN, but SAS will pay this until the end of 2006.
Sounds pretty good, but the training bond and dreaded bank guarentee is still required.
For a Scandinavian pilot suffering under the weight of the worlds highest taxes (between 60 and 75% tax expense on your total wage) the tax rate in SIN is very appealing.
And with a SAS CEO and management apparently well schooled in the ways of SIA's armchair generals, many SAS pilots want nothing more than to get away.
I believe SIA can expect at least 100 well trained and experienced SAS pilots taking their offer. We'll see in a month or so.
Rather Be Sailing
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RBS
If this is true it sounds similar to the South African Airways deal of 6 years ago when a large number joined SQ on unpaid leave with the right to return to SAA after their Bondage was up. Most joined on the A340 and then onto the B744. Only a very few returned to SAA in the end. Three I think. One went to EK and another to USA. SAA put up the Bond money so Pilots did not have to find the money. The salary was the same as all other SQ expats.No special deal there.
This the best way to join any of these Airlines secure in the knowledge you are not a Prisoner for Life!!
If this is true it sounds similar to the South African Airways deal of 6 years ago when a large number joined SQ on unpaid leave with the right to return to SAA after their Bondage was up. Most joined on the A340 and then onto the B744. Only a very few returned to SAA in the end. Three I think. One went to EK and another to USA. SAA put up the Bond money so Pilots did not have to find the money. The salary was the same as all other SQ expats.No special deal there.
This the best way to join any of these Airlines secure in the knowledge you are not a Prisoner for Life!!
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RBSailing,
Exactly. Alot of people are very interested in this deal. The questions for many are: Is the housting allowance sufficient and what about the child educational allowance.
I know that international schools as well as housing is very expensive so those are the big questions.
Any comments??
Brgds,
Ramrise
Exactly. Alot of people are very interested in this deal. The questions for many are: Is the housting allowance sufficient and what about the child educational allowance.
I know that international schools as well as housing is very expensive so those are the big questions.
Any comments??
Brgds,
Ramrise
Ramrise - if what has been printed here is the deal - it is good - I suspect tho that the US$ and S$ have got muddled up - if that is not the case then these guys will be coming in higher than 5 year cpatains.
A housing allowance of US1500 - (S$2500) well yes that could be a bit of a challenge - it depends also if the company "gives" that to you - if thats the case a "comfy" two room could be found but would not suit anyone with ankle biters - talking of which ankle biters cost a bloody fortune to educate - the SQ policy is to give $700/ month plus 50% of the remainder - and this is taxed don't forget! International schools have run rampant in their charges.
One other thing that may be interesting is that not every one who tries joins this establichment will get thru "the training" and that word is used in the very broadest sense. To the SAS guys - SQ will operate very differently - and of course to SQ, SAS pilots will be needing alot of re-education - and the older the applicant the harder it is.
A housing allowance of US1500 - (S$2500) well yes that could be a bit of a challenge - it depends also if the company "gives" that to you - if thats the case a "comfy" two room could be found but would not suit anyone with ankle biters - talking of which ankle biters cost a bloody fortune to educate - the SQ policy is to give $700/ month plus 50% of the remainder - and this is taxed don't forget! International schools have run rampant in their charges.
One other thing that may be interesting is that not every one who tries joins this establichment will get thru "the training" and that word is used in the very broadest sense. To the SAS guys - SQ will operate very differently - and of course to SQ, SAS pilots will be needing alot of re-education - and the older the applicant the harder it is.
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Dude where is my CA
Once again the fellas in SQ are getting screwed.
Timing is well set, just when CA is about to be concluded.
No way out guys. You just got cheated again..( Nothin New)
with the CA done, SQ management can start recruiting again.
P.s: suckers
Timing is well set, just when CA is about to be concluded.
No way out guys. You just got cheated again..( Nothin New)
with the CA done, SQ management can start recruiting again.
P.s: suckers
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Yes, USA dollars
Yep, I'm talking USA greenbacks, not SIN dollars. Just to clarify.
The offered wages are very near what SAS pilots already make here in Scandinavia, so it will be very enticing indeed to take a four year leave with SIA, what with 15-20% tax rate in SIN and year-round summer and all. The interest so far from SAS pilots is huge.
RatherBeSailing
The offered wages are very near what SAS pilots already make here in Scandinavia, so it will be very enticing indeed to take a four year leave with SIA, what with 15-20% tax rate in SIN and year-round summer and all. The interest so far from SAS pilots is huge.
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RBS
If as you say it is US$ then obviously SAS are paying the Salaries and not SQ. Yet again another Airline which has mismanaged its business (SAS) backed by the taxpayers of Denmark,Sweden and Norway is coming to the rescue of SQ who are unable to recruit Pilots owing to the low Salaries and the Singapore Dollar fall which makes that salary even lower.
If as you say it is US$ then obviously SAS are paying the Salaries and not SQ. Yet again another Airline which has mismanaged its business (SAS) backed by the taxpayers of Denmark,Sweden and Norway is coming to the rescue of SQ who are unable to recruit Pilots owing to the low Salaries and the Singapore Dollar fall which makes that salary even lower.
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Rostering
How about rostering?
My info is that you spend around 18 days away from homebase.
Is it the big 3-weeks suitcase case or do they split up the duty in sevarel blocks.
Any form of bidding system?
regards
DD
My info is that you spend around 18 days away from homebase.
Is it the big 3-weeks suitcase case or do they split up the duty in sevarel blocks.
Any form of bidding system?
regards
DD
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SIA and SAS
I just got message from my initial interview with SIA that I am welcome to Singapore for a second interview and a medical but after reading through this thread I must say that I am not so sure yet. 4 years is a long time, especially if the working conditions are like what you guys are saying here.
The deal between SAS and SIA is as follows:
(all in S$, NOT US$!)
Captain
Basic pay 9000 after linetraining
Flying allowance
0 ¡V 70 hrs SGD 60 per hour
70 ¡V 100 hrs SGD 80 per hour
„X Annual Wage Supplement
„X One month¡¦s Basic Salary
„X Service Increment
„X Reviewed on an annual basis, depending on Company performance and market norms
„X Profit Sharing Scheme
„X SIA Group profit-sharing formula or the SIA Cargo profit sharing formula, when it is in place
Relocation allowance 3000 per month (cash)
F/O
Basic pay 5400 after linetraining
Flying allowance
„X 0 ¡V 70 hrs SGD 35 per hour
„X 70 ¡V 100 hrs SGD 46 per hour
For passive transfer: SGD 17.50 per hour
Relocation allowance same as for Captain.
As I sais before, not sure if this is a good deal concidering that I already have a job in SAS that for the moment looks solid.
Any recommendations out there before I do something stupid?
Birdieboy
The deal between SAS and SIA is as follows:
(all in S$, NOT US$!)
Captain
Basic pay 9000 after linetraining
Flying allowance
0 ¡V 70 hrs SGD 60 per hour
70 ¡V 100 hrs SGD 80 per hour
„X Annual Wage Supplement
„X One month¡¦s Basic Salary
„X Service Increment
„X Reviewed on an annual basis, depending on Company performance and market norms
„X Profit Sharing Scheme
„X SIA Group profit-sharing formula or the SIA Cargo profit sharing formula, when it is in place
Relocation allowance 3000 per month (cash)
F/O
Basic pay 5400 after linetraining
Flying allowance
„X 0 ¡V 70 hrs SGD 35 per hour
„X 70 ¡V 100 hrs SGD 46 per hour
For passive transfer: SGD 17.50 per hour
Relocation allowance same as for Captain.
As I sais before, not sure if this is a good deal concidering that I already have a job in SAS that for the moment looks solid.
Any recommendations out there before I do something stupid?
Birdieboy