China Airlines/China Airlines F/O, (update)-Merged Twice!.
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Jim,
The next time you pass through Baton Rouge let me now, especially now in Crawfish season.
I was referring to the FAA recognizing the 747 ROC type rating. I wanted to verify a US carrier would accept the rating.
OK city they would endorse your FAA license.
The next time you pass through Baton Rouge let me now, especially now in Crawfish season.
I was referring to the FAA recognizing the 747 ROC type rating. I wanted to verify a US carrier would accept the rating.
OK city they would endorse your FAA license.
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Your post is very true about CAL.Their policies do care about everything except to FLY the aircraft.FLY!!!!
They threat you as their 300 hrs TT beginners,but always they got the upgrade.
IMHO the reason is that,they are very afraid about losing the control within the airline,beacuse they know their aviation qualifications.(Definatly,there are exemptions).
Most of them never heared about common sense.They want tp compensate the lack of aviation with these stupid policies.
Yes Jim,you can have 3 requests per year!
Money doesnt count,remember this is a government owned airline.
6 of the 12 venezuelans started at December are out of the company now.As I see,CAL playing on that there will always be enough South American to come as they get some 600-1000 USD at home.No matter if only one checks out from 10.
I have to tell You,that according to the airline operation and AVIATION side,EVA is more professional although the financial and living conditions are worse at EVA than at CAL.
CAL will not change in their roots,until the "old air force heroes" are here.Only the cover changes.
Sometimes I feel that some locals are hunting for me,because I am foreigner.
The expats are hired to be a "guard angel" for the locals,they have to be "in the seat" and at the controll.Those who can live with it for the money are welcomed here.
They threat you as their 300 hrs TT beginners,but always they got the upgrade.
IMHO the reason is that,they are very afraid about losing the control within the airline,beacuse they know their aviation qualifications.(Definatly,there are exemptions).
Most of them never heared about common sense.They want tp compensate the lack of aviation with these stupid policies.
Yes Jim,you can have 3 requests per year!
Money doesnt count,remember this is a government owned airline.
6 of the 12 venezuelans started at December are out of the company now.As I see,CAL playing on that there will always be enough South American to come as they get some 600-1000 USD at home.No matter if only one checks out from 10.
I have to tell You,that according to the airline operation and AVIATION side,EVA is more professional although the financial and living conditions are worse at EVA than at CAL.
CAL will not change in their roots,until the "old air force heroes" are here.Only the cover changes.
Sometimes I feel that some locals are hunting for me,because I am foreigner.
The expats are hired to be a "guard angel" for the locals,they have to be "in the seat" and at the controll.Those who can live with it for the money are welcomed here.
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I've always told you that I would call it as it is and nothing has changed.
I think Part of the confusion on the "3 special requests per year" might come in because they have/had a procedure where a pilot could ask if trip 123 or ID #456 on XXX day. They gave three special equests per year and this was a good thing.
They tried to limit it to 3.
In terms of NOT allowing one to preference/bid schedules, I onw that would be suicidal to change this. Trying to get your 8 days off in a row in a time period where you want them within reason is a MUST HAVE. I think that is just a rumor.
Like any place in the world, if you don't bid, they'll assign you. they have a strict cut off day to have things in the computer.
I also should tell you that CAL among places in the world has NO BIDDING system, so I using the word a little too literally. In what is called the North American BIDDING system, most airlines in North America and I suspect most major airline centers in the world do have a seniority system and they DO get to bid every month.
Many carriers in the world do not have such a system and this will be a schock to many going there or other airlines in the world. In much of the world schedules/bids/blocks etc. are called ROSTERS. The operative world in North America is BIDS or SCHEDULES. In much of Asia and I believe Europe ,they are called ROSTERS.
Most pilots seaching for jobs worldwide will find this unusual that you don't get to put a series of bids on paper and have it done with your seniority via a computer. They automatically ASSIGN you trips from month to month to make you legal. They also assign all of the training in what suits them. Vacation or leave days are often done at the whim of the company and you can take vacation days at any time in small pieces.
Most of this did not both me at all,but to take a job somewhere in the world means you are giving your life to the company. that is why most everybody looked forward to the sancrosinct 8 days off per month.
Just to put it in perspective, I think there is an Indian contract out of JFK and LHR and a Mainland China (may have gone away) 747-400 job from PEK. The PEK job had 7 days off and the days off were only guaranteed to be 3 in a row emaning to "commute" or have any life would be impossible unless you wanted PEK to be your base. In the Indian case, the days that i looked at were in JFK and only 7. I tried to find out whether you returned in the other 23 days per month to JFK and I never could find out. So, I always suumed that if nobody could find out or it wasn't written down, the answer was NO or NO WAY.
That's my point, there were many good things about CAL and they really could go to 10 or 11 days off per month and work harder in the remainder,but they chose not to. They could do the same for the locals,but they don't.
Frankly as a local, I would love to do a HKG turn every day and be home or do a double HKG turn per day to get my hours in,but they don't. Instead, they mix everything and that hurts their own efforts.
I think Part of the confusion on the "3 special requests per year" might come in because they have/had a procedure where a pilot could ask if trip 123 or ID #456 on XXX day. They gave three special equests per year and this was a good thing.
They tried to limit it to 3.
In terms of NOT allowing one to preference/bid schedules, I onw that would be suicidal to change this. Trying to get your 8 days off in a row in a time period where you want them within reason is a MUST HAVE. I think that is just a rumor.
Like any place in the world, if you don't bid, they'll assign you. they have a strict cut off day to have things in the computer.
I also should tell you that CAL among places in the world has NO BIDDING system, so I using the word a little too literally. In what is called the North American BIDDING system, most airlines in North America and I suspect most major airline centers in the world do have a seniority system and they DO get to bid every month.
Many carriers in the world do not have such a system and this will be a schock to many going there or other airlines in the world. In much of the world schedules/bids/blocks etc. are called ROSTERS. The operative world in North America is BIDS or SCHEDULES. In much of Asia and I believe Europe ,they are called ROSTERS.
Most pilots seaching for jobs worldwide will find this unusual that you don't get to put a series of bids on paper and have it done with your seniority via a computer. They automatically ASSIGN you trips from month to month to make you legal. They also assign all of the training in what suits them. Vacation or leave days are often done at the whim of the company and you can take vacation days at any time in small pieces.
Most of this did not both me at all,but to take a job somewhere in the world means you are giving your life to the company. that is why most everybody looked forward to the sancrosinct 8 days off per month.
Just to put it in perspective, I think there is an Indian contract out of JFK and LHR and a Mainland China (may have gone away) 747-400 job from PEK. The PEK job had 7 days off and the days off were only guaranteed to be 3 in a row emaning to "commute" or have any life would be impossible unless you wanted PEK to be your base. In the Indian case, the days that i looked at were in JFK and only 7. I tried to find out whether you returned in the other 23 days per month to JFK and I never could find out. So, I always suumed that if nobody could find out or it wasn't written down, the answer was NO or NO WAY.
That's my point, there were many good things about CAL and they really could go to 10 or 11 days off per month and work harder in the remainder,but they chose not to. They could do the same for the locals,but they don't.
Frankly as a local, I would love to do a HKG turn every day and be home or do a double HKG turn per day to get my hours in,but they don't. Instead, they mix everything and that hurts their own efforts.
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I don't believe so.
You need 1500TT
Jet Type rating
and current on Jet within 12months.
FYI, I know lots of guys including myself who are flying B747 and are applying. I don't imagine there is a shortage of applicants. That being said I think there are some 60-80 positions so who knows...
You need 1500TT
Jet Type rating
and current on Jet within 12months.
FYI, I know lots of guys including myself who are flying B747 and are applying. I don't imagine there is a shortage of applicants. That being said I think there are some 60-80 positions so who knows...
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Hi Jim,
Good to see your still alive and kicking
With regard to the requesting 8 days off per month....the company is now saying...you still get your 8 days off in a row ...but you only get to pick those days 3 times a year....when I left on home leave last month it wasn't law yet but it was close...and is deffenetly the way CAL wants to move...we (expats are complaining but you know what good that does) here's hopeing they change their mind on this important issue....as I think it will hurt CAL's already bad crew retention rates...as many are walking on a monthly bases.
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Good to see your still alive and kicking
With regard to the requesting 8 days off per month....the company is now saying...you still get your 8 days off in a row ...but you only get to pick those days 3 times a year....when I left on home leave last month it wasn't law yet but it was close...and is deffenetly the way CAL wants to move...we (expats are complaining but you know what good that does) here's hopeing they change their mind on this important issue....as I think it will hurt CAL's already bad crew retention rates...as many are walking on a monthly bases.
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Why?
Many reasons including more pay, ELO at home combined with 3 weeks PAID vacation to start means upwards of 10+ days at home a month, new equipment, the list goes on..I have some very happy friends there. It will be a big step up from AAI.
Many reasons including more pay, ELO at home combined with 3 weeks PAID vacation to start means upwards of 10+ days at home a month, new equipment, the list goes on..I have some very happy friends there. It will be a big step up from AAI.
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I know they did start a few places and I expect that they moved it to F/Os.
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Ni Hao,
Very interesting topic,especially the last reply from Deskee1...
I´m from Germany,have about 3500h tt,about 2000h on Boeing 737-800 Jets.I´m very interested in long-haul flying and I´m thinking of applying with CAL.
My question:
Is it better to apply to CAL direct (via their homepage) or to go via the contractors (IAC etc.)?
Are their differences regarding money,leave etc.?
Is it really possible to be based outside Taipeh? (FRA for example?).If not how often can you expect to be there? and If not,
how much is living in Taipeh.
I used to do my initial ATP training with some CAL guy´s,some years ago,but have no contact anymore.
Thanx for the reply´s in advance.
Very interesting topic,especially the last reply from Deskee1...
I´m from Germany,have about 3500h tt,about 2000h on Boeing 737-800 Jets.I´m very interested in long-haul flying and I´m thinking of applying with CAL.
My question:
Is it better to apply to CAL direct (via their homepage) or to go via the contractors (IAC etc.)?
Are their differences regarding money,leave etc.?
Is it really possible to be based outside Taipeh? (FRA for example?).If not how often can you expect to be there? and If not,
how much is living in Taipeh.
I used to do my initial ATP training with some CAL guy´s,some years ago,but have no contact anymore.
Thanx for the reply´s in advance.
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1. Much,much better to go direct hire.Direct pilots gets some bonus or 13th month salary at the end of the year. (they say,we will see).More benefits for direct hire.
2. It is not base,it is End of line program,but it means you lose the housing allowance.If you do it right,you can catch some 500 usd more pocket money from the housing.
ELO means about 10-12 days at your home country,3-4 days in TPE 2-4 days in Abu Dhabi(for the FRA ELO).And about 90-95 hours flight time per month.
2. It is not base,it is End of line program,but it means you lose the housing allowance.If you do it right,you can catch some 500 usd more pocket money from the housing.
ELO means about 10-12 days at your home country,3-4 days in TPE 2-4 days in Abu Dhabi(for the FRA ELO).And about 90-95 hours flight time per month.
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My ICAO issuing country does recognize the ROC type so no worries for me. Also, I understand that my Sim will be at Boeing in SEA therefore it is also no issue to have it added to my FAA ATPL as well.
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Thanx for your reply,deske1
So,another 2 questions.Are they hiring at the moment,and what´s the typical qualification to get invited?
Hope you´re happy over there,are you also from Germany?
Maybe Air Berlin,Hapag or Germania???
Greetings
So,another 2 questions.Are they hiring at the moment,and what´s the typical qualification to get invited?
Hope you´re happy over there,are you also from Germany?
Maybe Air Berlin,Hapag or Germania???
Greetings