So you dream of becoming a pilot but would not lower yourself to fly in the bush.

You love to fly but if you don't get into CX you would then give up and become an accountant.

At least you took the chance? What chance, applying to CX, big whoopidy doo, well done in following your dream.

Pathetic.

@sloppyJoe or anybody else who might have the answer

How do you know, that ab-inition programme is closed for non HKID holders? Because from what I can see on CX page, it says:

Cadet Pilot Programme – a 61-week programme for applicants with low experience and no ICAO CPL. Preference for this programme will be given to HKID holders.

It only says that HKID holders have a preference to this programme, it says nothing about not closing the programme for others.
And forum member Enae said 2 pages back that one of the recruiters confirmed, what I just wrote.

So please, where did you find out this news that Cadet Pilot Programme is closed?

Alli1552,
At the moment the HKPA is constant at 10K per month. It increases with rank.

FO gets 14K, SFO get 18K, Captain gets 24k

As of the 01/05/2012, the SO salary per month is below.

Year 1 = 36,225K

Year 2 = 40,574K

Year 3 = 45,443K

Year 4 = 50,896K

Hope this helps,

~ cx-hopeful

Brandon8

A little suggestion for you buddy

Before you go into CX interview, you should really think of 'Why you wanna be a pilot?' Because from what I can tell, you wanna be a pilot or work for CX just because they are a good airline, offer you training, give you some good $$$ etc etc. Honestly, I really dont see whats the problem of flying in a bush. This is what real flying is about. You navigate you fly on your hand. It is an experience and a journey of a pilot career. I mean if you just wanna WATCH two pilots in front of you and fly the jet, probably you like to fly as a passenger more than a pilot and being a pilot is probably not a career that you looking for....

Other than that, if you really really love flying. Or i should use the word dedicate, no matter how limited is your financial situation, you will still use every cent in your account and pursuit your dream mate. Because you love flying and its worth it! But I really dont see the passionate from you. I think a lot of pilots parents are not Bill Gate or Richard Branson. So they obviously did some hard work and fought for their career.

Just some final suggestion for you interview, if you say all this stuffs in CX interview I am sure you wont even get pass stage 1 and you should continue you accounting career. Because they want someone who is PASSIONATE for flying. And i really cant see those things on you. Or even though you fake yourself in the interview and say different things, I feel really sad for you because you gonna do something that you are not passionate enough. Your life is really pathetic. And theres no way you can become a good pilot.

Best of luck

It is closed due to immigration issues. I believe those who had interviews prior to the HKG immigration department ruling will be allowed to continue but there are to be no new non HKID card holders accepted onto the ab-initio course.

The whole point of the cadet program (20 ish years ago) was to give local Hong Kong people the opportunity to become a pilot. Everyone else employed as pilots at CX had experience that could not be found locally and so they were issued working permits, something you are not given if the experience can be found locally.

The international guys previously hired onto the ab-initio course were seen by the immigration department to be in breach of the rule as they had no qualifications or past experience that could not be found locally. They were in fact totally unqualified for a job as a pilot. Quite rightly the immigration department said that this is not allowed as there are plenty of unqualified locals to go onto this course.

I know this as work at CX. I am sorry to bring bad news but it is fair, would you like it if there was such a course in your country but most people hired were from the other side of the world?

It's almost closed buddy.
If you successfully pass the flight grading, you will find yourself on an INDEFINITE waiting list (which could possibly keep you waiting life-long). That means you may never join the CPP in spite of the description on CX website.

That's why I said this buddy.

Thank you for the explanation, I will consider other options, but still I might try to apply for this and see what happens.
Speaking about this, is it possible to get HKID if I was not born there?

When did they close this programme? Because on FT Adelaide page is news, that group of cadet pilots just finished the ab-inition programme few days ago and the programme started on 5 March 2011, pilots are from 7 different countries, so I believe not all of them can be HKID holders.

Thank you for help

Thanks :-)

I would still apply if I were you also (very unlikely but things can change).

It was a few months ago when I heard about it. If the course was an advanced entry one on the FTA website CX are still hiring guys for this course who have experience without a HKID. If it was ab-initio these guys/girls would have been going through the selection process about 18 months ago, so before the ruling from the HKG immigration dept. It could also be due to them growing up in HKG but being another nationality, a permanent HKID does not allow you automatically to get a HKG passport so they would still be another nationality.

Yes you could get a (non permanent) HKID if you got a job in HKG due to having experience not found locally required for the position. After living in HKG for 7 years you could then get a permanent HKID and be able to apply for the ab-initio course. There is no shortcut so this is not a viable option.

@SloppyJoe

Sorry mate my post referred to previous posts...

Flight grading...
 

Hi,
if someone is going for the advanced entry flight grading next week and want to share a few infos just pm me.
I'll be leaving from London on the 10th.
All the best.
C84

I stand corrected, after reading the DFO update it seems no hiring freeze for cadets, but for all other positions in the company.

GTC58,

are u sure? I wish this is true, where did u read that? What is DFO update?

Thanks

Mathematics
 

Hi guys,
I'm new to this thread. I was wondering if anyone knows what the stage 2 mathematics test involves. An example question would be really helpful. I don't have a stage 2 interview as of now, but I am hoping I will get one.

Thanks guys :)

Hello
 

Hi Gents.
I have a Stage one interview June 7th for advanced entry.
Does anyone have any gouge for me who was recently interviewed?

Thanks.

@Holycow123,

Hi,

Where will be your interview?

Can i ask you, when did you apply for AE programme and when did they answer to you?

Thanks,

Paul

if HKG immigration department ruling is effective as of now, how abt those dont possess HKID yet already under training in FTA? they cant fly as SO even after getting their wings?

i guess CX has ntg left to choose for now. perhaps then packages will improve from here.

- Those who are undergoing their training @FTA will get the HKID because they did their selection a while ago (before this interception of the HK gvt).

- It is only a little bit exciting for the guys who are in the selection (without HKID and who are going for the 61wks course).

It is really going to take a while to join CX as a 61wks cadet. There are rumours going that maybe those with a Aviation Degree maybe can get a seat at the 61wks course. But that is going to take a while too to implement this.

Just go get your licences on your own money and don't thrust Cathay (or any other airline)! Move your a**!!

No such thing. The HKSAR is P!SSED at CX for trying this on, and have made it clear that zero time inductees are to be HKSAR ID holders. Period.

The advice not to trust any airline is absolutely valid, though. Don't sell your soul to these pirates.

Hi Everyone,

I had my initial interview 3.5 weeks ago in Sydney and I'm still waiting a reply...

Anyone else here in the same situation? Or know when I'll get a response?

Thanks...

Thanks bond737, appreciate the quick reply.

@lucky86

are u HKID holder? and when did u apply for selection?

thanks :)

hi gaspherh90, instead of repeating the history of myself in this forum, just look at my posting history.

lucky86

you are right, I asked to quickly. I have one question. How is that you have a HKID? Are u from Hong Kong? Is there any chance to get HKID if I do not live there?

Thanks

Gasperh, you are getting your frozen ATPL during the summer right? So you are finishing your flight training, am I right?

If that is the case, you have to apply when you got your fATPL. You will get an invite as a AE cadet, 32wks of training and you will become a SO for CX.

Capish?

I am getting my fATPL that is correct. However I do not have 250 hours of total flight time yet, I have PPL licence and 60 hours of TT. In my country, Slovenia, we have mechanical engineering degree and ATPL theory combined in one school. So when I finish I will have a degree and a fATPL, which I will transform into ATPL theory by passing all of 14 exams.

Can I apply for AE only by ATPL theory? Or should I first get 250 hours of TT?
I estimate I can get 250 hours within 2 years.

Thank you for help

You really need to have those 250ish hours. Combined with a fATPL. Plus a CPL at least.

So I hear on the TVB (Hong Kong) news that due to looming fuel prices, a loss in 2011, and a weak 2012 thus far; CX is cutting routes to North America, etc etc, as well as putting a freeze on hiring. How will that affect those already invited to the AE SO Initial Interview in YVR June 1st?

What are the chances that CX will have all these candidates fly to YVR, put themselves up in a hotel, interview knowing that all these poor chaps haven't a chance of getting hired due to the hiring freeze?

Rather cruel and a mutual waste of resources, no?

Hi guys,
Has anyone done the stage 2 mathematics test? How did you prepare for it?

Thanks for your help ;)

Hello everybody!

Is there anyone having their first interview on next wed?

Layoffs?
 

IF what CX mismanagement are touting is true, I predict layoffs before the end of the year.

Last in, first out. Welcome to the big bad world of airline economics, 2012.

CX couldn't be targeting the instructor cadets could they???? Could they be that cruel? No wonder they are fighting for their DOJ!

They're not known as Sids' "Pirates" for nothing.

It's not personal, it's only business. In the past, when layoffs became a possibility, the company appealed to its incumbent aircrew to "volunteer" for "SLS" - Special Leave - in order to "save jobs". In return, it was agreed that the company would address a number of outstanding industrial issues.

They haven't addressed ANY issues that were on the agreement. 4 years and counting.

I can confidently predict that if CX asks the aircrew again for "special" dispensations, the answer will be a resounding "NO". We will see layoffs. Yes, the 19 Adelaide guys should and will fight for date of joining - or the street it will be.

This is unprecedented for CX, but more common than you would think - in the region, SQ, JAL and others have all had redundancies in the past.

Absolutely no mention of frozen recruitment RE: Cadets, it has only been announced that a ground crew recruitment freeze is in force.

Be careful
 

I would be careful to uproot myself to the other side of the world for any asian company right now with everything going on in the EU and Asia without solid employment guarantees and a reasonable parachute should they choose to terminated the contract due to no fault of your own. That is standard practice for any credible company recruiting Canadians or Americans for work in Asia. Unless of course you're from India or Pakistan you would be crazy to go there with anything less.

In fact, news in march indicated that they would increase the amount of cadets they are recruiting this year.

That was March. This is May. Cathay is a 100% Reactive, 0% Proactive style managed airline.

During SARS, they thrust one months' unpaid leave on us.

Before the first leave had been taken, they were desperately trying to rescind the unpaid leave agreement as the recovery was instantaneous and they realised (with shock and horror) that they wouldn't be able to man flights.

Anyone hear anything back since the infamous, please send me your updated forms and hours email? I applied for the AE program and was wondering if they are conducting interviews for it?

Nothing since the "received with thanks" mail.

Yesterday the 12 May deadline expired, here is the time to pray for invitation to initial interview.