MidgetBoy,
SIA wants the best training possible for their cadets/pilots.
So what did they do? They set up their own flying school, Singapore Flying College. Say what you want but, when it comes to training ab-initio to the RHS of a widebody, no other school/academy/college comes close.
I don't doubt the capability of your prefered school but dude, the cost of 'your' training proposal doesn't give SIA much control of the training of pilots that they want to create. They are not going to short-change the training of their pilots. In this training aspect, it's not the money they are worried about.
SFC motto. 'Bene Docere' 'Teaching it Right'

Midgetboy: name of user & AC Schnitzer are right, SIA training only in Singapore and Australia. School fee is of no problem to the world biggest airline.

There are people selected for SIA cadet, to be short listed, you will need a Hong Kong degree in honours (if I m not wrong, should be engineering background)!!! Since you are holding Hong Kong identity card there are only a handful selected from Hong Kong, the interview is in Hong Kong as well.

Since you can get your father to teach you to course in Canada, just get the training and flying hours to apply CX or other LCCs.

SIA continues to employ cadet fr singapore, hong kong, india and malaysia...so can you imaging how many people applying???

unlike the CX cadet interview you went last week, HKCEE or HKALE or diploma or Degree and you juz have to be 18 yrs hong kong citizen.

SIA education requirement is definitely higher: in addition to degree/diploma/A level, u needs Cambridge O level 5 pass in one sitting with English, maths, science.

For your information,
From Benedict

Yeah, I understand that, but I have to wait a year to apply for Cx again. Though, if 26 is the min age for SIA's CPP, then I'll have to do something else for 12 months until I can apply for Cx..

not just the age, but also the GCSE 5 credits in english, maths, science plus your degree with honours.

How strict is SIA about its 'pure science' requirement?


I did combined science at O levels, thinking there qoud be no hope to fly since my eyesight (short-sighted) is about 300 degrees. But recently it seems the eyesight requirement has been relaxed somewhat, so my hope of getting into the cockpit has been renewed.

And the minimum age is 26 for cadet pilots? Wouldnt it make more sense to get younger people who can serve them longer? (im 22 btw, studying in alocal uni).

if you are singapore citizen holding pink IC, pls note the minimum to enter the profession is 26, this is a agreement with republic of singapore air force with the government, it is stipulated in civil aviation regulations, there is no such thing as serving them longer, there are people inside SIA that are previously doctors, dentists, lawyers, economists which have worked many yrs outside before joining them.

you can have myopia 500 but if your visual acuity is more than 6/60 unaid then pardon to say you are out.

i know of ppl with 400 but visual acuity more than 6/60. it really depends how man rows of letter you can see the snellen chart without your spectales. i m having 450 but visual acuity just nice 6/60 unaid.

but if you are trying for airforce pilot application, you will just need 500 and below for both eye.

but one thing i m very sure, you must have 5 O level passes in one sitting with english, maths, science plus your 2A 2AO or diploma or degree and more than 1.65m in height as i have seen people sent off by SIA HR home before the interview as these information are not captured during your online applicaiton.

hope all is clear...

hello guys, new here.

Regarding "the minimum age to enter the profession is 26", does that mean that one should apply only when he is 26?

Does eyesight play a big part in getting selected?

nazri,
SIA will call you up for the interview even if you have combined science and you meet all the requirements as stipulated by benedictz. Your eye sight doesnt seem to be a problem, go get it tested and make sure you dont exceed 6/60.

The age limit of 26 is not decided by SIA they would rather take you as young as 18. However, RSAF has given them some leeway to take cadets in starting from late 24s and 25. I guess you can submit your application if you're one or two month away from your 25th birthday. No harm.

For those who have gone for RSAF pilot scheme and got dropped, you are eligible to join SIA even before 24. But the way the candidates are shortlisted in SIA, they wouldn't know if you have gone for the RSAF scheme or not. Best if you write in and clearly state that you have gone for RSAF and not made it.

just to add: before the interview commence, there will be a questionnaire for you to fill up: whether are you afraid of dark places, can you swim, one thing you afraid most, afraid of choppy water, your previous state in airforce whether you make it to 8 or 12 yrs or drop during training or air-grading...? blah blah blah...

meeting the bare minimum is easy: (5 O credits - 1 Sitting only! plus your 2A&2AO/diploma/degree) the higher the qualification, the more favourable you are as you know this is Singapore culture!

(during my 30 months of national service with airforce, i was lead by a 'monkey' from local university grad...i believe it is not just my unit, it happens everywhere in the armed forces around the world!)

the task is to find an academically inclined and passion for aviation person for this job!

Cheer & Happy New Year to all....

any more new batch coming to maroochydoore? for new recruits, looking forward to meet you guys in ubin:ok:

urgent matter
 

Hello everyone, I have just been called to do a medical test prior my first interview in Hong Kong ( I have applied SQ Cadet Pilot Programme (Hong Kong) ) . Unfortunately, I am born to be colour-deficient:ugh: and I have failed the Ishihara test for my Class 2 Medical in Australia. I would like to know whether Singapore Airlines cockpit crew medical (or CAAS class 1 medical) would accept any alternative methods for testing colour vision? say farnsworth lantern test or light gun test. My interview is scheduled on the next week. Now I am thinking of going to make an appointment to do a lantern test or something, and send them the results as well and see how it goes.

No 18 year old is going to have a degree in engineering though. And if they did, they probably weren't thinking about airlines to begin with.
Out of curiosity, the RSAF sounds like the airforce so it's okay to assume that the 26 age limit is only for SIA applicants? What about applicants applying for Hong Kong and such?

Hey bro, just do what you can to convince SIA. Nothing to lose.

However, I doubt you can skip the Ishihara test though. It's standard testing and i don't think they'll make exceptions. However, the cards used by the docters here may be different from the ones in Australia. I mean it's the same stack, but just different cards from the same stack. Anyway, good luck.

I think it's 25.5 now, and yes it's for singaporeans only. M'sians don't have this, so i don't think if applicants from HK will have it either.

The requirements for the medical are found here:
http://www.caas.gov.sg/caasWeb/expor..._Amendment.pdf

Refer to Section 3:

3 COLOUR PERCEPTION REQUIREMENTS

3.1 The applicant shall be required to demonstrate the ability to perceive readily those colours the perception of which is necessary for the safe performance of duties.

3.2 The applicant shall be tested for the ability to correctly identify a series of pseudoisochromatic plates in daylight or in artificial light of the same colour temperature such as that provided by CIE standard illuminants C or D65 as specified by the International Commission on Illumination (CIE).

3.3 An applicant obtaining a satisfactory result as prescribed by the evaluating medical examiner shall be assessed as fit. An applicant failing to obtain a satisfactory result in such a test shall be assessed as unfit unless able to readily distinguish the colours used in air navigation and correctly identify aviation coloured lights. Applicants who fail to meet these criteria shall be assessed as unfit.

3.3.1 Sunglasses worn during the exercise of the privileges of the licence or rating held shall be nonpolarizing and of a neutral grey tint.

An interpretation of these requirements are therefore:
3.2. The Ishihara test will be the standard test.
3.3. The opinion of the examining doctor as to whether your result is satisfactory or not is the final decision.

If you can't pass the Ishihara test you should not be flying. You are a hazard to your fellow pilots if ever you get a license by memorizing the plates.

You may like to know that your first medical examination will be conducted at the Civil Aviation Medical Board, and then thereafter at least once every four medicals. For sure they will make yo do the Ishihara test. They also rearrange the sequence of the plates at near random. Your chances of passing that test using memorisation techniques are very slim indeed.

It is better to never qualify than to qualify based on trickery and then discover that you may have to pay back the training bond. SIA views such attempts at circumventing regulations very seriously and will not hesitate to sack you particularly if you are only a cadet.

As a matter of interest the Farnsworth Lantern test is not much more successful than the Ishihara test (ie in rare cases someone who fails the Ishihars may pass the Farnsworth Lantern Test):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...12/ai_n9009350

SIA is not so desperate that it will invest in salvaging potential cadets who have failed the Ishihara on the rare chance that he might pass the Farnsworth.

In any case, even if they do put up c ase for you, CAAS still does not accept the Farnsworth test.

Well there is an application form for HK Cadets, and it doesn't seem to say anything about age on any of the application forms.
The website says Hong Kong, Penang, Kuala Lumpur are the different cities that SIA offers it's cadet program to.
So there's HK (China) and Malaysia, can't Singaporeans apply? =P

mags_both,
Do the full color test. You might need to go to a specialist for that. SIA will take you if you can prove to be colour safe.

Hi all...


I'm a Singapore PR originally from Indonesia. I did not take any GCE O level subjects because I graduated my junior and senior high school in Indonesia and I already have a degree in Computer Science. I'm thinking of taking the O level exam to fulfill the cadet pilot requirement. Do you guys think that is possible?

Could anyone pm me the number of SIA HR dept or help me ask them about it? I highly appreciate your help. Thanks...

i was led to believe that if i met the minimum requirements, SIA would at the very least grant me an interview. but nooo, guess what, I didnt even get a sniff.

some background info, I'm 26, 1.8m, 7 'O's (pure physics), 3'A's, 2'AO's, last year in uni reading e.eng. eyesight, R: 200 astig 175 6/24 L: 150 astig 175 6/18.

2 days after i submitted the online application, it was rejected. i'm miffed.

at the same time, i found out that i passed the RSAF computer test and now waiting for them to schedule an interview.

some ppl have mentioned in another forum that it could be my astig. and that it has to be lower than 150.

i'm quite sure it's not about my eyesight, hell, i represent my division for shooting competition.

having a parent in SIA doesnt help either.

:sad:

You can look for Edward Tan at 65498070.

His e-mail is [email protected]

Its not very nice to post Edward's contact in the open. All necessary requirements are stated in the advertisements and website. If you really feel that you wanna help someone you can pm him direct the contact. I believe the HR are already busy enough as they are and applications should go through proper channels.


airplane79:
The website says GCE ‘A’ Level. Polytechnic Diploma or Degree. In addition, you must have obtained a minimum of 5 credits in the GCE ‘O’ Level or its equivalent.

If you have an equivalent you do not need to sit for the 'O's

echopapa:
Thanks for the contact info. I highly appreciate that. I also agree with jagr that it might be not a good idea to expose the contact info in the public. I believe that you have considered avoiding email spammers as I see you post the email address as an image :) But as you know, nowadays there are automated web tools that can read letters in images. Any chance to re-edit your post? :ok:


jagr:
I went over the syllabus of GCE O level... It seems my junior high school diploma is an equivalent. But the grades in the diploma are in numeric format. Any clue if I need to convert the grades to O level grade format?

not necessary if it is recognised, they will do the necessary conversion themselves if required.

I see... thanks...

Just got the mail for the 2nd Interview.... I would assume nothing much has changed apart from the removal of the Situational tests from the procedure... Anyone here attending the 2nd round next week? And btw this thread is really brilliant... helped clear quite a few doubts

Cheers

Did anyone apply for the cadet pilot position during the JobsDB Career Expo at Suntec 2 weeks ago? I applied then but haven't received a reply from SIA yet. Was initially very excited but am slowly getting a little too anxious now :uhoh:

the recruitment is on-going. you could try applying direct on the website.

airplane 79,
Indonesian Ebtanas and STTB SMP are indeed equivalent to GCE O Level.. There is no need to convert the grades, but it is advisable to produce the certified copy of the translation in English, and put a note that those grades are based on the scale of 1 to 10. It worked for me... :)

Porcupine82,
Meeting the minimum standard doesn't grant you an interview. There are other factors that put into the selection, such as ECA records, work experience, etc.. However you can always re-submit your application.. I'm not sure how the new computerized system works, but one of my coursemates applied 6 times before he was called for an interview.

JA

Hi SmileAirlines.... wow... thanks for the info!


Happy CNY to all of you!

SIA Cabin Crew applying for Cadet pilot programme.
 

Hi Guys,

I am currently working with SIA as cabin crew for slightly over 2 years.I turn 25 this month.I have always wanted to work as a pilot for SQ since i was young.I applied to RSAF when i was 19 but didnt get through.

I currently have Frozen ATPL with multi-engine Instrument rating and appx 260hours from Australia.But i got all the qualifications in 2002.

Would it be an ideal time to apply for Cadetship?Are there any suggestions which i should take note of before i apply?cos i would rather be prepared the 1st time to give me the best chance of success.

Any help is very much appriciated.Thank you.

hi skyknight,

are you still under bond? if u are, dun bother. They will not consider.
If your bond is over(what i know for FSS is 3 yrs? FS i not sure), yes u can.

Rgds.

Hi everyone,

First-timer here. Just wish to find out more about SIA before joining it. Have been hearing strange tales of cadetship...Rather confused about investing my future with SIA now.

Maybe someone can help shed some truth on whether are these tales true or false? These tales concern cadets going through the training.

what tales are you referring to? need to be specific for anyone here to clear your doubts.

One really good tale is that the majority of cadets who go through the system actually make it out alive and fly jets for many years.

You sure you still don't want to invest your future in this? Level Four would be very interested to know...

Cadetship involves watching a lot of porn...

are you sure you wanna join?

greetings SIA Cadets... i'm from the Philippines and I was wondering what books do you use for your groundschool and other references for your flying. i asked my dad (who's with SIA Cargo) if he knows what you guys use... no reply from him as of yet. would appreciate your help.

Cheers!
:ok:

I can confirm that.

Interview
 

Hi all,

Good news! I have been called up for the initial interview with SIA in mid-march in KL. I've been reading the forums for tips and info but I have a few questions that might be a little unique.

First, just a bit of background. I am a Malaysian and currently doing my CPL/IR with Frozen ATPL. I have completed all my ground papers and am now flying the twin-engines and only have a couple of weeks and about 30hours to go to get my CPL/IR (woohoo!). I am also finishing up my IT degree part-time with 1 more semester to go.

Firstly, what should I expect for the initial interview? I applied for the Cadet Pilot position on the website as it was the only one available.

Secondly, would I have to re-take all my ground school tests? I have all passes in the CAA UK exams (CA6, CA2 etc) with 1 re-sit for Radio Aids. Would I also have to re-do all my flying right from the start?

Thanks heaps in advance for your help. Wish me luck!

Anyone going for First interview on 28 February ?
 

How's preparation dudes?

no singaporean comes here anymore?