Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme
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Adelaide course length
Got an interesting couple of dates in my starter pack, seems like I'm only in Adelaide for 5weeks for a TT course. Anyone hear of them changing the course content or length of time there? Got some mates who spent the entire 14 weeks on a TT course, wondering why mines so short(relatively...).
Any info appreciated, K
Any info appreciated, K
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CX stage 1 - reapply in 6 months time?
Hi all,
was just wondering, has anybody failed the CX stage 1 and then CX replied with an email asking you to reapply in 6 months time? (instead of the usual 12 months time)
and has anyone tried calling CX after failing stage 1 and asking to see what you could improve on? and does CX usually tell you the answer?
Many thanks!!!
was just wondering, has anybody failed the CX stage 1 and then CX replied with an email asking you to reapply in 6 months time? (instead of the usual 12 months time)
and has anyone tried calling CX after failing stage 1 and asking to see what you could improve on? and does CX usually tell you the answer?
Many thanks!!!
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Factually Hong Kong privacy laws (entrenched in the Basic Law) prevent disclosure of any sort. Don't even ask: you're asking the person on the other end of the line to break the law.
Yes, it may not be fair, but the interview is just that, not a test, you're either accepted, deferred or rejected.
Yes, it may not be fair, but the interview is just that, not a test, you're either accepted, deferred or rejected.
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I gave my 1st stage in april. Didnt get through. After reviewing, the tests went well, the interview was good, but not sure what was the reason for not getting accepted. Could be anything, not having enough IR or ME time, or not being current etc. Or maybe one wrong answer in the interview or something you said on the medical form. But anyway, I did email them and tried to ask if they could share the information. But havn't heard back from them.
Anyway, later I talked to couple of friends in HK who live there not pilots. They said the money CX would give is peanuts to live in HK. Besides that in the interview it was clearly stated that as a SO you wont be flying for say next 5-6 years at all. Just few Sim rides etc. It seemed like they want SO's just to take care of an requirement rather then to have quality trained pilots for future now.
Anyway, later I talked to couple of friends in HK who live there not pilots. They said the money CX would give is peanuts to live in HK. Besides that in the interview it was clearly stated that as a SO you wont be flying for say next 5-6 years at all. Just few Sim rides etc. It seemed like they want SO's just to take care of an requirement rather then to have quality trained pilots for future now.
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Jack
Right.
So you applied for CX, went for the first interview, and failed.
To 'self esteem boost' yourself, you now knock the paying conditions of CX.
With that attitude, you should rethink why you didn't get accepted...
To clarify for others, For 'westerners' to live in hk with an expectation of a western lifestyle, then yes, your disposable income after rent is peanuts.
Western lifestyle = 3 bedroom house with a backyard.
Hk lifestyle = small 2 bedroom apartment.
So you applied for CX, went for the first interview, and failed.
To 'self esteem boost' yourself, you now knock the paying conditions of CX.
With that attitude, you should rethink why you didn't get accepted...
To clarify for others, For 'westerners' to live in hk with an expectation of a western lifestyle, then yes, your disposable income after rent is peanuts.
Western lifestyle = 3 bedroom house with a backyard.
Hk lifestyle = small 2 bedroom apartment.
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"To 'self esteem boost' yourself, you now knock the paying conditions of CX.
With that attitude, you should rethink why you didn't get accepted..."
I couldn't agree more! They (CX) probably saw his personality shortcomings and wouldn't give him the second stage.
With that attitude, you should rethink why you didn't get accepted..."
I couldn't agree more! They (CX) probably saw his personality shortcomings and wouldn't give him the second stage.
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Underpants,
Would you be kind enough to share the language from the HK law(s) you allege where an employer is barred from disclosing information of any sorts?
It has always been my understanding an employer does not tell the applicant why they were not given the job to prevent any civil suit from the applicant for any reason.
Please enlighten me...
Would you be kind enough to share the language from the HK law(s) you allege where an employer is barred from disclosing information of any sorts?
It has always been my understanding an employer does not tell the applicant why they were not given the job to prevent any civil suit from the applicant for any reason.
Please enlighten me...
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Luky86, Seems like the people who need help with their self esteem are those who take a poor paying, non-flying job thinking thier airline pilots. It's idiots like you who accept these kinds of vulgar work and pay conditions which has reduced the airline piloting career to the likes of a cab driver. If you'd have any balls at all you'd learn to fly for real then get a real job flying airplanes which means you have to make decisions and touch the controls on landing and takeoff and not just make the rest bunks up for the Captain! Why don't you ask what the real CX captains think of the SO coming onto to line. They wouldn't let these guys serve coffee to the passengers let alone touch the controls of a 747.
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Jack
When you and a few chaps from fta combine your allowances your peanuts dont seem so small after all. Quite a lot of peanuts actually. 40,000 HKD/Month...
6 years Jack?.... 3 years 11 months +- 1 month
and with your 100,000 Euro sign on bonus... yes peanuts jack peanuts
im allergic to them anyways, terrible allergies
When you and a few chaps from fta combine your allowances your peanuts dont seem so small after all. Quite a lot of peanuts actually. 40,000 HKD/Month...
6 years Jack?.... 3 years 11 months +- 1 month
and with your 100,000 Euro sign on bonus... yes peanuts jack peanuts
im allergic to them anyways, terrible allergies
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Anyone who dismisses this job as a waste of time and poorly payed is really quite short sighted. By joining an airline like Cathay Pacific you have to look long term. It's an investment in the rest of your career. Do you think you are going to be an SO for the next 40 years or something?
I don't know about you guys but I have aspirations of becoming a Captain, and I can't think of a better airline to do this at.
The money maybe what you call "peanuts" (i disagree) in the short term, but long term it goes up and up.
I find some of the posts here that slate this program quite lacking in any kind of thought.
Flying a metro liner is a job, joining Cathay is a career.
I'm not knocking hands on flying, I've done it for the last 5 years myself and had a blast. But now it's time to invest in the rest of my career and opportunities like this don't come along often.
I don't know about you guys but I have aspirations of becoming a Captain, and I can't think of a better airline to do this at.
The money maybe what you call "peanuts" (i disagree) in the short term, but long term it goes up and up.
I find some of the posts here that slate this program quite lacking in any kind of thought.
Flying a metro liner is a job, joining Cathay is a career.
I'm not knocking hands on flying, I've done it for the last 5 years myself and had a blast. But now it's time to invest in the rest of my career and opportunities like this don't come along often.
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I'm going for interview in late May. But as far as my research, there's really nothing extra that you need to study.
Just all the basics and it should be fine. This is my second time going through the interviews.
Good Luck
Just all the basics and it should be fine. This is my second time going through the interviews.
Good Luck
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Yeah i called cx back and they told me that i need to be patient and that her colleague will call me and give me feedback on my stage 1 and tell me what i need to work on??
i had my interview on may 18 in HK and 2/8 (including myself) so far has gotten an email telling us to try again in 6 months time instead of 12 months..
have they reduced the time for us to reapply now or is it just for certain cases? any ideas anyone?
i had my interview on may 18 in HK and 2/8 (including myself) so far has gotten an email telling us to try again in 6 months time instead of 12 months..
have they reduced the time for us to reapply now or is it just for certain cases? any ideas anyone?
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Vero, see if they'll put that in writing. You stand a much better chane of getting furloughed then you ever will getting promoted. Suggest you stick to the Metro because in 5 years you'll have thousands of more hours in the left seat which will allow you to join an airline as a real pilot and not as a slightly more knowlegable flight attndant. With CX you'll have no more flight time in 6 years then you do now. CX is not an investment in your future its a waist of time or don't you want to listen to the older folks who have experienced first hand?
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@Robertson, why, if you are not thinking of applying to the scheme, are you on the forum specifically designed for potential candidates? Seriously, focus on something other than bad mouthing the CPP, perhaps your spelling? It's old news and it helps absolutely nobody.
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Tupps, I follow a lot of forums. Didn't think I needed your permission to give an opinion. The truth does hurt for some I know. I'll make sure I submit my comments to you in advance to ensure it meets with your approval and you can continue to point out typo's.
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I just got back from my stage 2. To answer your question, the HR lady there told me they are looking to hire 300 cadet pilots each year for the next three years as there is a lot of movement with the flight crew. ( lots of SOs moving to JFO and captains retiring) CX is looking to hire cadet pilots but you still have to be competent and meet their standards in order to move on through the stages. Hope this helps.
I would take what HR are saying with a huge grain of salt. They are just clerks being fed 'a line'.
In fact, at the moment CX is crying 'poor' and parking freighters. The future of the 747-400 fleet is looking doubtful. The shiny 777's arriving (and they don't stay shiny for long in the filthy South China air), may only be replacements.
Not many captains are retiring, the annual figure is barely in double figures, retirement age is now 65, and with anti-discrimination legislation, there may be no actual retirement age in the future.
From personal experience as a current CX captain, Hong Kong International Airport is becoming choked with traffic, severely limiting expansion of the hub. With any sort of bad weather about, even miles from the field, ATC is becoming chaotic and sometimes dangerous, with large numbers of aircraft in limited airspace and choked ATC frequencies.
Even when the third runway is built, the idiotic Mainland Chinese airspace restrictions will cap further expansion.
Overseas basings are under a cloud, and even if they were available to you there are double taxation issues and new joiners would be in the queue behind some 2,700 pilots in the pecking order. You will be condemned to live for most or all of your career in a very expensive city, always preparing for or recovering from jet lag and 'red eye' flights, in sub standard accommodation on a sub standard package.
Should your application be successful and you pass the training, you will be perceived by current crew as having accepted inferior conditions of service, and any complaints about lifestyle, remuneration, rosters or lack of promotion will be met with little sympathy.
In fact, at the moment CX is crying 'poor' and parking freighters. The future of the 747-400 fleet is looking doubtful. The shiny 777's arriving (and they don't stay shiny for long in the filthy South China air), may only be replacements.
Not many captains are retiring, the annual figure is barely in double figures, retirement age is now 65, and with anti-discrimination legislation, there may be no actual retirement age in the future.
From personal experience as a current CX captain, Hong Kong International Airport is becoming choked with traffic, severely limiting expansion of the hub. With any sort of bad weather about, even miles from the field, ATC is becoming chaotic and sometimes dangerous, with large numbers of aircraft in limited airspace and choked ATC frequencies.
Even when the third runway is built, the idiotic Mainland Chinese airspace restrictions will cap further expansion.
Overseas basings are under a cloud, and even if they were available to you there are double taxation issues and new joiners would be in the queue behind some 2,700 pilots in the pecking order. You will be condemned to live for most or all of your career in a very expensive city, always preparing for or recovering from jet lag and 'red eye' flights, in sub standard accommodation on a sub standard package.
Should your application be successful and you pass the training, you will be perceived by current crew as having accepted inferior conditions of service, and any complaints about lifestyle, remuneration, rosters or lack of promotion will be met with little sympathy.
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What Captain Dart said is true. CX cargo isn't exactly doing well and if you're planning on joining the cadetship, plan on living in HK for the rest of your life. I guess what I'm trying to say is, the two days while I was at CX city, there were 12 candidates in both days ( stage 1+ stage 2) being interviewed. So they are interviewing and hiring! You just need to wait for your number to come up and when it does you need to capitalize the opportunity and show them the months and months of preparation that you've done.