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A330-300 RR Trent 700 thrust 68 000 lbs
A340-300 GE CFM 56-5C4 thrust 34 000 lbs
B747-400 RR RB 211-524 thrust 59 500 lbs
PW PW 4062 thrust 63 000 lbs
B777-200 RR Trent 877 thrust 76 000 lbs
B777-300 RR Trent 892 thrust 90 000 lbs
B777-300er GE 90-115B thrust 115 000lbs
A340-300 GE CFM 56-5C4 thrust 34 000 lbs
B747-400 RR RB 211-524 thrust 59 500 lbs
PW PW 4062 thrust 63 000 lbs
B777-200 RR Trent 877 thrust 76 000 lbs
B777-300 RR Trent 892 thrust 90 000 lbs
B777-300er GE 90-115B thrust 115 000lbs
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Btw
Does CX hire people of South East Asia for their cadet program? Countries like India, Sri Lanka, Nepal etc.
I mailed them and they said they will contact me when they review the applications from my region. Is that region asia? or broken down in futher sub groups? How many regions do they have?
I do have my application in. But not sure if it would ever get reviewed. Tough luck but keeping fingers crossed.
I mailed them and they said they will contact me when they review the applications from my region. Is that region asia? or broken down in futher sub groups? How many regions do they have?
I do have my application in. But not sure if it would ever get reviewed. Tough luck but keeping fingers crossed.
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Hi Ryan, take my advice, if you are offered a position as a cadet, snap it up, forget all this about hanging back..
Whilst those nerds are hanging back the guys and girls that snap up the chance will have the opportunity of a bright future flying.
With the new housing allowance of 120,000 hkd per annum, rising with rank, basic pay of 330,000 hkd + 9% rise this year, plus another 3% next year, a guaranteed flight allowance for 84 hours flying per month equalling 28,000 hkd per annum you can't afford to pratt about. That lot gives you in excess of 500,000 hkd per annum.
Get in there if you can, bite the bullet with the cost of living in HK, your basic will double by the time you have served your time in 6 years.
These guys that put a downer on this deal have either been turned down already by CX or fly for other companies, don't like what thay have but can't get DESO or DEFO positions and are trying to put you guys off the cadet route.
I don't know what sort of jobs a lot of you guys have at the moment, but the majority of you are probably really struggling with no future or prospect... get a life and get on the CX cadet course if you can !!!
Whilst those nerds are hanging back the guys and girls that snap up the chance will have the opportunity of a bright future flying.
With the new housing allowance of 120,000 hkd per annum, rising with rank, basic pay of 330,000 hkd + 9% rise this year, plus another 3% next year, a guaranteed flight allowance for 84 hours flying per month equalling 28,000 hkd per annum you can't afford to pratt about. That lot gives you in excess of 500,000 hkd per annum.
Get in there if you can, bite the bullet with the cost of living in HK, your basic will double by the time you have served your time in 6 years.
These guys that put a downer on this deal have either been turned down already by CX or fly for other companies, don't like what thay have but can't get DESO or DEFO positions and are trying to put you guys off the cadet route.
I don't know what sort of jobs a lot of you guys have at the moment, but the majority of you are probably really struggling with no future or prospect... get a life and get on the CX cadet course if you can !!!
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These guys that put a downer on this deal have either been turned down already by CX or fly for other companies, don't like what thay have but can't get DESO or DEFO positions and are trying to put you guys off the cadet route.
Stating cost of living facts and other numbers is not "putting a downer " on the deal........ and further to your estimate, after 6 years in CX, you will probably just be upgrading to Junior First Officer, and at the moment is not much more than a 10% increase!
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The Rents - your naivety is astonishing! your have not the faintest, 
idea of what you speak! before you open your mouth and let out anymore uneducated crap, please do some research....
idea of what you speak! before you open your mouth and let out anymore uneducated crap, please do some research....
The Rents
You are sounding more and more like a management stooge every day. The reality is that most people warning potential iCad’s about the shortcoming in the package already work here. We do it because we don’t want to see new pilots being financially entrapped in Hong Kong on a grossly substandard package and unable to leave. CX also has a long and distinguished history of forcing current pilots onto lower COS once a new COS has been introduced for new pilots. So it isn’t in our interest to see a new lower COS either.
Now regarding the new package being offered by CX. Why do you think they have had to do that? It isn’t though the goodness of their heart. The reality is that they had to give more because of the grossly underwhelming response from suitable applicants so far. It is those “Nerds” as you so distastefully referred to them as that have caused CX to rethink the package in the first place.
So what is wrong with the new package being offered?
1. The housing is still grossly substandard and is 100% taxable.
2. The housing isn’t indexed to the Hong Kong Government Rental Index, therefore isn’t indexed for inflation.
3. Once you have completed 6 years of service the “forgivable Loan” will be 100% taxable as it will then be deemed income by the IRD. It won’t matter if you were a long track cadet and used the entire loan for your training. It will be deemed income and taxed at the highest rate.
Shall I go on for you?
You also state that “a guaranteed flight allowance for 84 hours flying per month”. WRONG. Flight allowance as you put it or hourly duty pay as CX calls it isn’t guaranteed. If you don’t do the hours you don’t get the hourly duty pay.
You are sounding more and more like a management stooge every day. The reality is that most people warning potential iCad’s about the shortcoming in the package already work here. We do it because we don’t want to see new pilots being financially entrapped in Hong Kong on a grossly substandard package and unable to leave. CX also has a long and distinguished history of forcing current pilots onto lower COS once a new COS has been introduced for new pilots. So it isn’t in our interest to see a new lower COS either.
Now regarding the new package being offered by CX. Why do you think they have had to do that? It isn’t though the goodness of their heart. The reality is that they had to give more because of the grossly underwhelming response from suitable applicants so far. It is those “Nerds” as you so distastefully referred to them as that have caused CX to rethink the package in the first place.
So what is wrong with the new package being offered?
1. The housing is still grossly substandard and is 100% taxable.
2. The housing isn’t indexed to the Hong Kong Government Rental Index, therefore isn’t indexed for inflation.
3. Once you have completed 6 years of service the “forgivable Loan” will be 100% taxable as it will then be deemed income by the IRD. It won’t matter if you were a long track cadet and used the entire loan for your training. It will be deemed income and taxed at the highest rate.
Shall I go on for you?
You also state that “a guaranteed flight allowance for 84 hours flying per month”. WRONG. Flight allowance as you put it or hourly duty pay as CX calls it isn’t guaranteed. If you don’t do the hours you don’t get the hourly duty pay.
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the “forgivable Loan” will be 100% taxable as it will then be deemed income by the IRD. It won’t matter if you were a long track cadet and used the entire loan for your training. It will be deemed income and taxed at the highest rate.
If the 'loan' is indeed a loan, one which CX can claim repayment for (not necessarily cash), to the tune of being able to 'bond' you, then it will not be deemed as taxable income.
It isn't income, and it isn't a gift. There are conditions of repayment, therefore it is a loan. At least, that is, if they can use it as a conduit for bonding.
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As an accountant in my previous life I can assure you the IRD will treat the forgivable loan as income once the iCad has completed six years of service. The company can call it what they like but this will not stop the IRD classing it as a joining bonus and therefore income as it most rightfully is. The only reason they are calling it a gift is to dress it up in the eyes of the potential iCads.
It would simply be better for the company to just pay for the course in Adelaide like they have always done rather than muddying the tax waters for the iCads by giving them a loan when they first start. The only reason they have done this is to try and circumvent the laws in Hong Kong prohibiting bonding and to try and make the cadet scheme appear more attractive particularly to experienced pilots who have been avoiding it in droves. The reality is they desperately need considerably more short course iCads as they simply can’t get the numbers required for their expansion plans through the long course alone. For long course iCads there is absolutely nothing in it for them except a large tax bill after six years.
At the end of the day profit share or a bonus could be called a gift as well but it is still classed as income by the IRD. There is absolutely no difference in the eyes of the IRD when it comes to a gifted loan. It is a joining bonus period and is therefore part of ones assessable income.
If you don’t believe me ask the IRD and/or your accountant.
Bye the way there are no repayments unless the iCad decides to leave before their six year “Return of Service” requirement.
As an accountant in my previous life I can assure you the IRD will treat the forgivable loan as income once the iCad has completed six years of service. The company can call it what they like but this will not stop the IRD classing it as a joining bonus and therefore income as it most rightfully is. The only reason they are calling it a gift is to dress it up in the eyes of the potential iCads.
It would simply be better for the company to just pay for the course in Adelaide like they have always done rather than muddying the tax waters for the iCads by giving them a loan when they first start. The only reason they have done this is to try and circumvent the laws in Hong Kong prohibiting bonding and to try and make the cadet scheme appear more attractive particularly to experienced pilots who have been avoiding it in droves. The reality is they desperately need considerably more short course iCads as they simply can’t get the numbers required for their expansion plans through the long course alone. For long course iCads there is absolutely nothing in it for them except a large tax bill after six years.
At the end of the day profit share or a bonus could be called a gift as well but it is still classed as income by the IRD. There is absolutely no difference in the eyes of the IRD when it comes to a gifted loan. It is a joining bonus period and is therefore part of ones assessable income.
If you don’t believe me ask the IRD and/or your accountant.
Bye the way there are no repayments unless the iCad decides to leave before their six year “Return of Service” requirement.
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I've contacted Cathway Pacific in regards to my D in Maths. I doubt I'll get a look in but its worth a try. I'm not even bad at maths, was just going through a rough patch when I did my GCSEs'. If I'm able to do the basic preliminary tests I don't see the problem.
Been using MS flight simulator and got all the way to commercial pilot so far. It's easy if you knuckle down and work hard.
Been using MS flight simulator and got all the way to commercial pilot so far. It's easy if you knuckle down and work hard.
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SFO Interview
Hey Purdue,
I'm in the same position. Sent in my application years ago but am hoping for a DESO interview. From reading through these posts tonight it has become obvious that there will not be any more DESO opportunities.
Are you still going to interview for the new cadet SO position?
I meet the qualifications for a DEFO but was recently contacted by CX HR to see if I would be interested in this new cadet SO position. I plan to interview and see what they offer me if I'm given the chance.
I have not received a response as of yet, but I will update this thread when I hear more from HKG.
Best wishes in your pursuit.
I'm in the same position. Sent in my application years ago but am hoping for a DESO interview. From reading through these posts tonight it has become obvious that there will not be any more DESO opportunities.
Are you still going to interview for the new cadet SO position?
I meet the qualifications for a DEFO but was recently contacted by CX HR to see if I would be interested in this new cadet SO position. I plan to interview and see what they offer me if I'm given the chance.
I have not received a response as of yet, but I will update this thread when I hear more from HKG.
Best wishes in your pursuit.
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Couple of things I would like to confirm
Ratings
At the end of your training you would get a "Hong Kong Commercial Pilot License, with Multi and Instrument add on's".
Fleet size and engine
32 Airbus A330-300: 2 Trent 772 rated at 72,000 pounds a side (21 on order)
11 Airbus A340-300: 4 CFM 56-5C4 rated at 34,000 pounds per engine
18 777-300ER: 2 GE90-115 rated at 115,000 a side (28 on order)
12 777-300: 2 Trent 884B rated at 84,000 pounds a side
5 777-200: 2 Trent 877 rated at 77,000 pounds a side
21 747-400: Either 4 PW 4052 rated at 50,000 or 4 RB211-524 H/T at 60,000
6 747-400F:RB211-524 H/T at 60,000 pounds per engine
6 747-400ERF: 4 PW 4062 rated at 62,000 pounds per engine
12 747-400BCF: RB211-524 H/T at 60,000 pounds per engine
Delivery A/C
32 Airbus A350-900: Trent XWB rated at 84,000 pounds a side
10 747-8F: GENX-2B67 rated at 67,000 pounds per engine
Aircraft S/O operate
S/O operate on all aircraft if need...(over 8 hour flights?)
A/C used in Adelaide
Grob115, Tobago, DA42, Cap 10
Also if anyone could answer how winglets reduce induced drag and how it is affected by airspeed....how the raked winglets work on the 777-300ER
Kinda long but I would appreciate if anyone could confirm these for me and or answer the last question..Thanks!
At the end of your training you would get a "Hong Kong Commercial Pilot License, with Multi and Instrument add on's".
Fleet size and engine
32 Airbus A330-300: 2 Trent 772 rated at 72,000 pounds a side (21 on order)
11 Airbus A340-300: 4 CFM 56-5C4 rated at 34,000 pounds per engine
18 777-300ER: 2 GE90-115 rated at 115,000 a side (28 on order)
12 777-300: 2 Trent 884B rated at 84,000 pounds a side
5 777-200: 2 Trent 877 rated at 77,000 pounds a side
21 747-400: Either 4 PW 4052 rated at 50,000 or 4 RB211-524 H/T at 60,000
6 747-400F:RB211-524 H/T at 60,000 pounds per engine
6 747-400ERF: 4 PW 4062 rated at 62,000 pounds per engine
12 747-400BCF: RB211-524 H/T at 60,000 pounds per engine
Delivery A/C
32 Airbus A350-900: Trent XWB rated at 84,000 pounds a side
10 747-8F: GENX-2B67 rated at 67,000 pounds per engine
Aircraft S/O operate
S/O operate on all aircraft if need...(over 8 hour flights?)
A/C used in Adelaide
Grob115, Tobago, DA42, Cap 10
Also if anyone could answer how winglets reduce induced drag and how it is affected by airspeed....how the raked winglets work on the 777-300ER
Kinda long but I would appreciate if anyone could confirm these for me and or answer the last question..Thanks!