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Wonderland is right. It would be wise not to expect them to open it up to the public. Remember it's a beta trial. I think they might have a batch size of 5 to 6 or at most 10 as a smaller sample size would provide them with effective monitoring of the progress of the program. Then again, I might be wrong.
You could use this analogy. If you want to test a new drink you were just introduced to in the market, you will take a small amount of it in your glass and sample it to decide if you like it or not before you take a glass full of it.
You could use this analogy. If you want to test a new drink you were just introduced to in the market, you will take a small amount of it in your glass and sample it to decide if you like it or not before you take a glass full of it.
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Another reason is this, the only other airline running the MPL program is having some issues getting the MPL converted over to the ATPL license, because CAAS has no idea what to do with it.
Flew with a training captain the other day that said there was an MPL pilot with 3000hr but not converted yet, can't tell if it's true so take it with a pinch of salt.
Flew with a training captain the other day that said there was an MPL pilot with 3000hr but not converted yet, can't tell if it's true so take it with a pinch of salt.
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I have heard about the situation where the mpl has not been unfrozen by caas. He was from the first batch of tigerair mpl from staa.
Anyway this beta program is something like a computer game beta. People test it and then it gets fine tuned and tweaked and then finally passed out to the public. So for those waiting, it may take awhile.
Anyway this beta program is something like a computer game beta. People test it and then it gets fine tuned and tweaked and then finally passed out to the public. So for those waiting, it may take awhile.
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yea CAAS couldn't convert MPL into ATPL even after they've hit 1500hrs, that's quite sad as CAAS approved the MPL programme back in 2009 but didn't anticipate that one day these MPL holders will end up with ATPL too.
The first ever batch of MPL from STAA graduated and joined Tigerair in November 2011.. If they've flown maximum 1000hrs per year, they will be very close to 3000hrs by now.
By around 4000hrs, Tigerair would have recommended them for captaincy..
The first ever batch of MPL from STAA graduated and joined Tigerair in November 2011.. If they've flown maximum 1000hrs per year, they will be very close to 3000hrs by now.
By around 4000hrs, Tigerair would have recommended them for captaincy..
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Any idea what specific issue CAAS has with converting MPL to ATPL? I thought as long as you have the required flight experience and ground school subjects, you should be eligible for the ATPL...
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Originally Posted by dewa11
Tt is indeed a concern for current mpl cadets/graduates... But typically how.long it takes to become a captain?
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Originally Posted by chronos1701
Any idea what specific issue CAAS has with converting MPL to ATPL? I thought as long as you have the required flight experience and ground school subjects, you should be eligible for the ATPL...
so currently a totally new law has to be written to allow them to get an ATPL. At the mean time, can only wait.. How long does CAAS need? Nobody knows..
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Exactly, as with a lot of things in "Disneyland with a Death penalty".
No one [assigned or other wise] is going to stick his head out to re-write/amend new dictate or law.
Let it ride until some else does first.
No one [assigned or other wise] is going to stick his head out to re-write/amend new dictate or law.
Let it ride until some else does first.
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The ambiguity that I found in ATPL requirement was in the wording of SASP Part 2 para 6(a)
500 hours as pilot-in-command under supervision, or 250 hours as pilot-in-command PIC of aeroplanes of which up to a maximum of 180 hours may be as co-pilot acting as pilot-in-command under supervision (P1 U/S).
With an MPL, you can only act as co pilot so as per this wording only 180 hours can count.
If my interpretation is right, then out of 250 hours PIC, if max 180 may be as P1 U/S then that leaves the need for 70 hours as PIC in airplanes and out of 500 hours, it leaves you with a shortfall of 320 hours as you only have co pilot privileges on an MPL.
With a traditional CPL, CASA (Aus) has an eligibility requirement of 70 hours PIC and CAAS approved CPL course needs 100 hours PIC so that covers the CAAS ATPL requirement when you fly for the airlines as one could easily make the remaining 150/180 as co-pilot acting as pilot-in-command under supervision (P1 U/S) and get an ATPL. Also with a CPL, you have PIC privileges on a commercial level, so you could be able to log the 500 hours as pilot-in-command under supervision.
STAA have a total of 80 hours total flight time in their MPL program.
I don't know if my reasoning is correct then all they need is to make up that deficit of the remaining PIC hours in an airplane under private privileges that an MPL offers. I guess its not that that simple and I might be missing some pieces of the puzzle as I'm sure if that was the only reason TigerAir would have rectified it unless they have no requirement at present for Capt. who would need an ATPL.
So either SIA would have to hope CAAS amends the rules or they would have to see to it that their cadets get atleast 70 hours PIC if not more in an airplane in their training program.
500 hours as pilot-in-command under supervision, or 250 hours as pilot-in-command PIC of aeroplanes of which up to a maximum of 180 hours may be as co-pilot acting as pilot-in-command under supervision (P1 U/S).
With an MPL, you can only act as co pilot so as per this wording only 180 hours can count.
If my interpretation is right, then out of 250 hours PIC, if max 180 may be as P1 U/S then that leaves the need for 70 hours as PIC in airplanes and out of 500 hours, it leaves you with a shortfall of 320 hours as you only have co pilot privileges on an MPL.
With a traditional CPL, CASA (Aus) has an eligibility requirement of 70 hours PIC and CAAS approved CPL course needs 100 hours PIC so that covers the CAAS ATPL requirement when you fly for the airlines as one could easily make the remaining 150/180 as co-pilot acting as pilot-in-command under supervision (P1 U/S) and get an ATPL. Also with a CPL, you have PIC privileges on a commercial level, so you could be able to log the 500 hours as pilot-in-command under supervision.
STAA have a total of 80 hours total flight time in their MPL program.
I don't know if my reasoning is correct then all they need is to make up that deficit of the remaining PIC hours in an airplane under private privileges that an MPL offers. I guess its not that that simple and I might be missing some pieces of the puzzle as I'm sure if that was the only reason TigerAir would have rectified it unless they have no requirement at present for Capt. who would need an ATPL.
So either SIA would have to hope CAAS amends the rules or they would have to see to it that their cadets get atleast 70 hours PIC if not more in an airplane in their training program.
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Looking at the privileges of CPL and MPL holders, I think both are the same with regards to acting as co-pilot. SASP 2 para 6 is saying that a pilot have 3 options to fulfill that time requirement. Either have 250 hours as PIC (P1). If there's not enough P1 time, you can "top-up" up to 180 hours of P1 U/S in a 2 crew airplane. If also cannot because the P1 time is really low to begin with, then 500 hours P1 U/S time will do.
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Hi guys,
I am an internal staff with SIAEC and I signed up for the pilot beta program. My interview is slated for next week. I am preparing hard for my interview and trying to memorize as many things about the company and the fleet as I can. Also on my list is the MPL and CPL differences. I am sure everyone of you went through the same phase, so are there any advice that you can give me regarding this interview? Thanks alot!
I am an internal staff with SIAEC and I signed up for the pilot beta program. My interview is slated for next week. I am preparing hard for my interview and trying to memorize as many things about the company and the fleet as I can. Also on my list is the MPL and CPL differences. I am sure everyone of you went through the same phase, so are there any advice that you can give me regarding this interview? Thanks alot!
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The only advice I can give you is just be yourself, it's a lot easier being oneself than someone you are not. What the interviewers will try to gauge is your personality and aptitude and how much of a fit you would be for the program. They look for certain personality traits and confidence, so go in with confidence.
They generally ask you to start off by telling them about yourself. They then feed off what info you give them and try to question you on those. So try to emphasize your strong points and whatever topic you have prepared so you can answer the questions they put to you better. I don't know why but asking about your weakness is a favorite question asked by HR. It's good to know about the company and the fleet. I don't know which branch of SIAEC you come from but if you have an engineering background, expect a few technical questions. Generally how turbine/piston engines work and how an airplane flies. Also they might ask you about your role in the company and go from there and be prepared to answer why you want to change your field and become a pilot. If they ask you a question you don't know, admit that you do not know it. They know you are not expected to know everything and know when you bs and will cross question and question you even deeper and before you know it you have dug yourself such a deep grave that it's the end of your interview.
You'll get different advice from different people because no two interviews are the same. Some interviews take 10 mins and some go 30 mins long. It all depends on how and what you say when they ask you to tell them about yourself and they proceed with the interview from there asking you questions on what you've told them.
If they skip the first interview for you since you already staff and go directly to the 2nd round, then search for SIA cadet pilot interview process and you should get links to the detailed process for the day, psychomotor tests and tea party info.
Hope this helps.
Good luck and let us know how it goes...
They generally ask you to start off by telling them about yourself. They then feed off what info you give them and try to question you on those. So try to emphasize your strong points and whatever topic you have prepared so you can answer the questions they put to you better. I don't know why but asking about your weakness is a favorite question asked by HR. It's good to know about the company and the fleet. I don't know which branch of SIAEC you come from but if you have an engineering background, expect a few technical questions. Generally how turbine/piston engines work and how an airplane flies. Also they might ask you about your role in the company and go from there and be prepared to answer why you want to change your field and become a pilot. If they ask you a question you don't know, admit that you do not know it. They know you are not expected to know everything and know when you bs and will cross question and question you even deeper and before you know it you have dug yourself such a deep grave that it's the end of your interview.
You'll get different advice from different people because no two interviews are the same. Some interviews take 10 mins and some go 30 mins long. It all depends on how and what you say when they ask you to tell them about yourself and they proceed with the interview from there asking you questions on what you've told them.
If they skip the first interview for you since you already staff and go directly to the 2nd round, then search for SIA cadet pilot interview process and you should get links to the detailed process for the day, psychomotor tests and tea party info.
Hope this helps.
Good luck and let us know how it goes...
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flyhereflythere: The application date just ended, and the interview is starting so soon... Good on you when did you submit your application??
fromdgrndup: i don't think they will skip to 2nd rnd...
when did you submit your application??fromdgrndup: i don't think they will skip to 2nd rnd...
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