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SIA Cadet Pilot - All Batches, Merged

Old 2nd Sep 2013, 04:36
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yep SQ next intake will probably be MPL

closing down the jet phase is just a start

but it won't be self funded I reckon
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 10:24
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I wouldn't be so sure. Qatar, Jetstar and Tiger didn't seem to have too much trouble finding kids with the means to pay.

Getting a job seems to be only about the ability to pay as opposed to having any actual ability!

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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 11:13
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on the contrary to your thinking, those cadets under the MPL programme did not simply walked into it.

They go through several rounds of interviews and they gauge and judge you just like how SQ does.

If you think you can get in just because you can afford the fees, then I guess you gotta realign your mindset.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 15:42
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Or they just pick the best of the ones that can pay. They wont have any shortage of applicants. I'm not saying that they wont get any good people but that some excellent people will miss out. Some that really should have got the job.

Ask the Jetstar and Tiger captains how they feel about now having to babysit 200 hour cadets instead of having experienced crew sitting in the RHS. Its all based on cost.

SQ is now trying to exist in an ever more competitive low cost world.
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Old 11th Sep 2013, 11:02
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Really, how smart do you have to be to be a pilot? It's not like you are training surgeons who require both excellent intelligence and dexterity. Nor is it like investment banking where you need the brightest minds to come up with the best investment instruments or you will quickly lose out to the competition from rival banks.

A pilot is just a guy who can get the plane from point A to B safely, much like a bus driver. If the low cost carriers can get away with hiring self-funded cadets who aren't the brightest, more power to them. Why will you want to raise costs hiring someone brighter than necessary who probably will demand more pay? You might as well tell McDonald's to hire degree educated burger flippers to make safe burgers.

That is until something bad happens due to poor quality cadets being selected. This hasn't been an issue so far, except for the one case I saw on air crash investigations where a poor pilot who failed his exams several times but still managed to be made captain eventually crashed a plane. For now there is no indication on what level of intelligence is required for you to be a safe pilot, all the self funded pilots are chugging along fine. The bar is set pretty low and if you can clear the aptitude test you should do fine.

If this ever becomes an issue in the future, perhaps with several incidences, the airline will just improve their testing standards for pilot quality and the poor ones who pay their way through will get weeded out.

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Old 12th Sep 2013, 06:38
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Do you recall the Sh*te Times article about classifying pilots as 'Professionals'?

The Gov wanted then classifed as: Heavy Equipment operators, truck drivers,crane operators,etc
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Old 13th Sep 2013, 09:37
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Dear Purplehearts,

You seem to give the impression that self-funded pilots are not as good as airline-sponsored cadets. Whether self-funded or not, candidates still have to pass assessments and interviews. I don't think the depth of their parents pockets is an assessment criteria.

I've trained both airline-sponsored and self-sponsored cadets. There are good ones and crap ones on both side. So I'll have to disagree that self-sponsored cadets are not so bright. There are those in my classroom now who managed to get massive loans and burn all their savings just to fulfill their flying dream. And I dare say they are some of the brightest. There are some that managed to get airline sponsorship simply because their dads are captains in the same airlines, and they absolutely can't give a toss about their training simply because of strong connections.

"How smart do you have to be to be a pilot?" I think it's rather unfair to compare the profession with surgeons and bankers because their skill sets are fundamentally different. I've seen bankers who applied for cadetship being terminated because they can't fly. Similarly some pilots made crappy investment decisions.

If you talk about accident, the crew of SQ6 were airline-sponsored, and were some of the brightest in the company when it happened. And yet it still happened. The captain involved in the 77W drifting in MUC was airline-sponsored. He's a Training Captain on the 777. And yet it happened. So it can happen to anyone, bright or not.

What is important when it comes to flying is having the right attitude. Whether they're born rich or poor is irrelevant.
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Old 13th Sep 2013, 16:44
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Well, unfortunately there is a need to strike a balance when running a business. Airlines need to watch their bottomline so if there is a pool of self-sponsored cadets that fulfill their requirements then why not? From a recruitment perspective, will we ever find the best? In Singapore if one is really gifted and can't afford to climb the wealth barrier should have been snapped up by the Air Force.

The same applies to any industry. I bet there are really smart kids out there that can't afford to go to medical school. Sadly that's the reality of life. However I'm always a believer of "if there's a will, there's a way". To those that moans and groans about the state of things on pilot training, it's time to wake up and embrace changes. Airlines are looking for COMPETENT pilots, not some Nobel Prize-winning rocket scientists. The new approach to pilot training is Competency-based training, and that's what pilots need to demonstrate: his competency in flying in both normal and abnormal situations. Accept those conditions and bring cash, the airlines are ready to talk. If not, time to find another career.
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Old 13th Sep 2013, 19:18
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Call for 1st interview

Does any international candidate got call for first interview in Sep'13?
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 07:32
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Purplehearts,

I already get paid to fly an airplane so need for me to "stop whining and get funding". I paid for my licence by working very hard for the amount of years it took to get the money.

As for "ranting" I think your very long posts are a bit more "ranty" than my six liners.
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 08:50
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Well that's all good ain't it you are in a good job we should all be happy.

No need for bad feelings with the airlines then . Enjoy flying and don't let money upset you.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 04:30
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How do you know he is a 'good' job?

In fact it's been downhill since 1992
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 12:22
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How so?

Planes can fly themselves and land themselves, yes, however you can never replace the human touch in the cockpit. At least not in the near future.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 18:12
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it seems quite dead here now.

Anyway i saw that some one was going for a first interview. Whats that all about?
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Old 15th Oct 2013, 13:49
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where's your source?
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 03:20
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I believe veins is referring to ashraf007's comment about a first interview in September 2013. Yeah it's rather quiet around.
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Old 20th Oct 2013, 13:59
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Tigerair self funded programme

Hi guys,

I'm here to source for opinion(s) with regards to Tigerair Self funded programme. Check out this link Jobs Listing | Singapore Flying College. I would want to check what type of training it'll be & if the training costs will be paid at a lump sump or installment method?

Looking forward for any inputs. Thanks
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Old 20th Oct 2013, 16:23
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Yup that's correct.

I am seriously thinking of going for the self-funded path. Saw on STAA website that there are places i can get a study loan on this. Currently they are only providing for MPL for Qatar.

I however want to fly with Tigerair for various reasons. Anw that means that i have to apply to CAE. I think i can get a loan from a bank for this as well not so sure.
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Old 21st Oct 2013, 04:33
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Hi veins, may i ask why you would prefer tiger over others like sq or qatar? Just curious. =)
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Old 21st Oct 2013, 11:51
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Personally, If i am not attached and slightly younger i wont mind SQ and QR. because I can do long haul flights and visit places and do some cool stuffs on lay overs.

However I am 26 this year and I've missed the previous intake of cadets because of ignorance, some procrastination and the financial side of things. Now that i have most of the financial things sorted our i am ready to give it a go.

I don't have a problem with long haul flights. I just done think that if later on when I want to start a family that it would be good if I am always away from my children(if I happen to have a child in the next few years).

Therefore regional airlines like Tiger and Silk are best for my requirement and the lifestyle I want to have. I can fly around and enjoy my career and still be there for my family.

Last edited by Veins101; 21st Oct 2013 at 12:15.
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