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Ukrainian Aircraft down in Iran
ISNA are reporting as per title.
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Ukrainian Aircraft down in Iran
Unconfirmed reports of a Ukrainian 737 coming down in Iran near Imam Khomeimi Airport.
Some are mentioning this flight https://fr24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569 |
The interesting part is that Reuters and several others report that the plane crashed "due to technical problems". Waiting for more information. If true, one problem both Ukrainian Airlines and Boeing could do without. :(
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Unconfirmed, but it appears it came down in flames ...
Note: this footage is from Ali Hashem who is a BBC Iran correspondent, so it might be credible |
Puzzling last ADS-B data point. A coincidence hours after Iran launches a revenge attack on U.S. interests?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....71f5ac3f3a.jpg |
Iran has no quarrel with Ukraine, given the heightened state of alert of the Iranian air defences, it looks like another MH117.
More questions to be asked about civilian aircraft operating in war zones. Singapore Airlines now diverting all flights away from Iranian airspace. |
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from WSJ
Interesting conflation
Jan. 7, 2020 11:28 pm ET A Ukraine International Airlines plane crashed in Iran’s capital on Wednesday with at least 170 passengers and crew members on board, according to Iranian state television. The Boeing 737 single-aisle jet crashed after taking off from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini International Airport en route to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, state news said. A spokesperson for Ukraine International Airlines couldn’t immediately be reached for comment. An Iranian air accident investigation team was headed to the crash, the spokesman for Iran’s air regulator told state television. A report on casualties would come later, the spokesman said. The crash came as Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps launched a series of strikes against two bases with U.S. troops in Iraq, which the Iranian force said were retribution for the U.S. killing of Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani. Over the past year, Boeing Co. has suffered a series of technical failures with its newer-version 737 MAX aircraft. The Ukrainian 737 is an earlier model and doesn’t have the flight-control feature that was implicated in crashes last year and led to Boeing grounding the MAX fleet globally. The Wall Street Journal couldn’t independently verify what caused the crash. Iranian media said it was due to a technical fault without explaining how they reached that conclusion. Determining the likely cause of a crash typically can take days or months. Iran has a poor air-safety record. Iranian carriers and air-safety regulators are hobbled by a lack of access to technology, spare parts and new planes for aging fleets because of yearslong Western sanctions. Write to Rory Jones at rory.jones@wsj** |
Iran has a poor air-safety record. Iranian carriers and air-safety regulators are hobbled by a lack of access to technology, spare parts and new planes for aging fleets because of yearslong Western sanctions. A Ukraine International Airlines plane crashed in Iran’s capital on Wednesday with at least 170 passengers and crew members on board, according to Iranian state television. |
Originally Posted by StormyKnight
(Post 10656442)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....91ad8f05a2.jpg
Reported pictures of the crash site. Grog |
Icy morning in Tehran. Aircraft de-iced?
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Seems to have been around an hour delayed taking off, having had an on time arrival and then night stopped, which would potentially be supportive a theory of technical and also potentially icing
as always, await official input |
In the current environment, would Boeing representatives be able to travel to Iran to assist with the investigation?
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Originally Posted by capngrog
(Post 10656462)
If those pictures, as reported, are of the crash site, the wreckage appears to be pretty well scattered, indicating an inflight break up. Of course later pictures may reveal a large smoking crater and a tight wreckage array, indicating something else altogether.
Grog 8 jan- update - anyone notice that no photos of tail section or fuselage remains seem to be available ? I found one but cannot now post it ... |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10656465)
Icy morning in Tehran. Aircraft de-iced?
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Possible surface to air missile warhead fragmentation damage?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....566e6d3ebe.jpg |
Definitely frag from an external source.
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Originally Posted by TTailMD80
(Post 10656475)
Seen conflicting pax count numbers. Looks like 180 pax and crew. Flight was late taking off by apx 70 mins
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Technical fault caused by ……..
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Originally Posted by Buswinker
(Post 10656507)
I’m seeing reporting of 4 crew total- does that sound right? Seems a bit low to me?
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https://news.sky.com/story/airliner-...rport-11903445
The video in the above article shows a piece of the fuselage with what looks like shrapnel damage to it. However it is to way to early to lay blame! It could also have been an uncontained engine failure resulting in a fire in a ruptured fuel tank. |
Would suggest that this particular subject is so sensitive to the welfare of a very large number of people around the world that it be suspended. The usual level of rhetoric that occurs on these pages may end up being consequential to actions by others. This is a dangerous time, and a dangerous situation, and those in charge have shown a propensity to use "intel" from any source, irrespective of veracity.
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Trustworthy Iran?
I suggest all reports are discounted.
(An engine fire does not bring an aircraft down rapidly.) |
The B738 was quite new, only 3 years old.
Even if it is for some hard to accept: It looks like a tragic accident, no attack. Engine failure on one engine alone surely does not necessarily lead to a crash. But the human factor has always to be considered. According to Iranian sources, most of the passengers were Iranians. RIP |
Direct flight from Iran to Ukraine with 180 people wanted to travel on that route? It appears from Ukrainian Airlines website that there is a flight everyday. What is the connection we might think about.? Energy ?
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Originally Posted by Bueno Hombre
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Direct flight from Iran to Ukraine with 180 people wanted to travel on that route? What is the connection we might think about.? Energy ?
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Whatever happened left a massive debris field.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2d4b4db58c.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....82d6cf745b.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e1ca4b67d0.jpg |
Some photos here too: https://en.mehrnews.com/photo/154308...-after-takeoff
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 10656548)
TEEEJ, what crash is your photo showing on the previous page? Sources please, or people will get the wrong end of the stick, again.
Higher resolution: https://cdn.isna.ir/d/2020/01/08/4/61535407.jpg Other images from ISNA: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENvdyy9XYAAJOts.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENvJVuLWwAEIPsJ.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENvVtlbXYAEJD40.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENu0GBkXYAALzNR.jpg https://cdn.isna.ir/d/2020/01/08/4/61535419.jpg https://cdn.isna.ir/d/2020/01/08/4/61535539.jpg https://cdn.isna.ir/d/2020/01/08/4/61535581.jpg |
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Not official:
15 Ukranians 71 Iranians 73 Canadians 8 Swedes 6 Afghanis 4 Germans 3 Brits |
What engine type was fitted?
WWW |
So many of the photos including tail section showing what looks like inward facing frag damage. Officials very hasty to say fire only brought it down. Hmm.
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Something exploded a a few seconds before impact (fuel tank?) so fragmentation damage would not be unexpected.
If airport workers saw the fire on takeoff that would be pretty conclusive of not being terror or a missile. I think we should avoid trying to make a dangerous situation worse this is not a tv show. I rather like running water and electricity and don’t believe Jesus is coming so I am not in favor of World War III |
Originally Posted by Wee Weasley Welshman
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What engine type was fitted?
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Skin damage
Originally Posted by slfool
(Post 10656570)
Reuters photo:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....eaeb1d6d8d.jpg https://media.voltron.voanews.com/Dr...?itok=b1rssGBX |
power lines
Flash just before main impact flash in that video could have been a strike on those pylon lines. Typically 400kv.
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Originally Posted by SysDude
(Post 10656493)
Definitely frag from an external source.
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Originally Posted by vanHorck
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Do we know how long the airplane was airborne? 8000 ft final altitude and Teheran Airport elevation 3,300 ft suggests a climb of 4,700 ft or approx 3 minutes climb @ 1800 ft/min.
Would an aircraft climb this high if there was an early issue such as the Concorde scenario some mentioned? |
Originally Posted by giord
(Post 10656648)
Update 10:20 / Engine failure caused the crash of a Ukrainian airliner in Iran, rather than a missile attack or act of terrorism, the Ukrainian embassy to Iran said on Wednesday. One of the black boxes has been recovered, Iran’s state broadcaster IRIB reported. The pilots of the Boeing 737-800 did not declare an emergency, Iranian media said, quoting an official of the Iran Civil Aviation Organization.
Initially, Ukraine's embassy in Iran said on Wednesday morning that engine failure caused the plane to crash and denied that it was terror-related or that a rocket had hit the aircraft. But it later withdrew this statement, saying that anything was possible, and Mr Zelensky instructed Ukraine's prosecutors to open criminal proceedings over the crash. |
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