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Ukrainian Aircraft down in Iran

Old 8th Jan 2020, 02:32
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Ukrainian Aircraft down in Iran

ISNA are reporting as per title.
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Ukrainian Aircraft down in Iran

Unconfirmed reports of a Ukrainian 737 coming down in Iran near Imam Khomeimi Airport.

Some are mentioning this flight
https://fr24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 02:57
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The interesting part is that Reuters and several others report that the plane crashed "due to technical problems". Waiting for more information. If true, one problem both Ukrainian Airlines and Boeing could do without.
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Unconfirmed, but it appears it came down in flames ...



Note: this footage is from Ali Hashem who is a BBC Iran correspondent, so it might be credible

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Puzzling last ADS-B data point. A coincidence hours after Iran launches a revenge attack on U.S. interests?


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Iran has no quarrel with Ukraine, given the heightened state of alert of the Iranian air defences, it looks like another MH117.

More questions to be asked about civilian aircraft operating in war zones.

Singapore Airlines now diverting all flights away from Iranian airspace.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 03:28
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Reported pictures of the crash site.
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from WSJ

Interesting conflation

Jan. 7, 2020 11:28 pm ET

A Ukraine International Airlines plane crashed in Iranís capital on Wednesday with at least 170 passengers and crew members on board, according to Iranian state television.

The Boeing 737 single-aisle jet crashed after taking off from Tehranís Imam Khomeini International Airport en route to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, state news said.

A spokesperson for Ukraine International Airlines couldnít immediately be reached for comment.

An Iranian air accident investigation team was headed to the crash, the spokesman for Iranís air regulator told state television. A report on casualties would come later, the spokesman said.

The crash came as Iranís Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps launched a series of strikes against two bases with U.S. troops in Iraq, which the Iranian force said were retribution for the U.S. killing of Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

Over the past year, Boeing Co. has suffered a series of technical failures with its newer-version 737 MAX aircraft. The Ukrainian 737 is an earlier model and doesnít have the flight-control feature that was implicated in crashes last year and led to Boeing grounding the MAX fleet globally.

The Wall Street Journal couldnít independently verify what caused the crash. Iranian media said it was due to a technical fault without explaining how they reached that conclusion. Determining the likely cause of a crash typically can take days or months.

Iran has a poor air-safety record. Iranian carriers and air-safety regulators are hobbled by a lack of access to technology, spare parts and new planes for aging fleets because of yearslong Western sanctions.

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Iran has a poor air-safety record. Iranian carriers and air-safety regulators are hobbled by a lack of access to technology, spare parts and new planes for aging fleets because of yearslong Western sanctions.
They had to stick that in there, but the state of Iranian air carriers is irrelevant.
A Ukraine International Airlines plane crashed in Iran’s capital on Wednesday with at least 170 passengers and crew members on board, according to Iranian state television.
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Originally Posted by StormyKnight View Post

Reported pictures of the crash site.
If those pictures, as reported, are of the crash site, the wreckage appears to be pretty well scattered, indicating an inflight break up. Of course later pictures may reveal a large smoking crater and a tight wreckage array, indicating something else altogether.

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Icy morning in Tehran. Aircraft de-iced?
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Seems to have been around an hour delayed taking off, having had an on time arrival and then night stopped, which would potentially be supportive a theory of technical and also potentially icing

as always, await official input
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In the current environment, would Boeing representatives be able to travel to Iran to assist with the investigation?
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Originally Posted by capngrog View Post
If those pictures, as reported, are of the crash site, the wreckage appears to be pretty well scattered, indicating an inflight break up. Of course later pictures may reveal a large smoking crater and a tight wreckage array, indicating something else altogether.

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CNN network is running a supposed video which supposedly shows the 737 ( strictly a colored yellow-white fireball- dot) descending from left screen to right of screen, then turning back to left and then an orange yellow bright explosion at ground level. FWIW jet fuel or most any carbon fuel does give a orange- yellow glow when burning or exploding. The white spot fire seems to be quite intense for just an simple engine fire. **IF** one believes that video is correct and not a view of a cruise missile or similar, then **probably** it means plane was seriously on fire from an altitude less than 10K above surrounding ground..


8 jan- update - anyone notice that no photos of tail section or fuselage remains seem to be available ?

I found one but cannot now post it ...


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Icy morning in Tehran. Aircraft de-iced?
It fell out of the sky in flames ... not a typical comsequence of icing ...
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Possible surface to air missile warhead fragmentation damage?


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Definitely frag from an external source.
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Seen conflicting pax count numbers. Looks like 180 pax and crew. Flight was late taking off by apx 70 mins
Iím seeing reporting of 4 crew total- does that sound right? Seems a bit low to me?
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Technical fault caused by ……..

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Originally Posted by Buswinker View Post
Iím seeing reporting of 4 crew total- does that sound right? Seems a bit low to me?
9 crew, according to Avherald and other various news sources. I don't have enough posts yet to share link, but article was just posted within the last 30 mins.
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