Ryanair pilot strike
 

It's about time Ryanair pilots do something to improve their T&C's. They made MOL and other execs millionaires and it's time they get a piece of the pie, too.

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Or you could say MOL et al built an airline and a business model that has kept a lot of pilots, and others (including Mr Boeing) in jobs..................

Apparently they sent a proposal to the Union including fair and transparent basing policy however, they are not engaging with Ryr

Any source or proof? Most likely not.
Especially in Germany they claim to pay above their competitors and if you want a contract similar to tui fly they say it's too expensive. Wouldn't believe a word they say.

Harry
And you could say some people suffer from Stockholm syndrome

Dear Fellow Pilots!
World wide!
Are You ready to support this strike so we can all have a level playing field and good conditions.?
The time is NOW.

United we stand.
Regards
Cpt Blue
NF IFALPA ECA

'United we stand'.

You mean, like when Ryanair crew from one country goes on strike and their flying is taken over by Ryanair crews from other countries? That kind of united?

Get your own house in order first, then you can ask others for help!

I can get there for £5 return due to MOL if that's what you mean.............

But, seriously, pilot action or threats thereof , have rarely been effective with any airline. I've always found it very odd that in the USA , where mass action is normally seen as "socialism", that the unions have managed to retain scope clauses that pilots elsewhere in the world can only dream of. I suspect it's because in there are always other carriers and pilots who will cheerfully take over the demand caused if Airline A is on strike. RyanAir can go on strike but the punters will switch to Easyjet or whatever without missing a beat - which isn't a great negotiating position

Never liked the need for Unions but less than adept airline managers did, really, bring it on themselves. I joined the airline business as a Loader at LGW while pursuing the PPL route back in the glory days. In the Gents, someone had written on the door "Workers, UNITE to smash big business .". Someone with more of a brain etched, underneath, " Yeah, and then, who would YOU work for ?".

That is utter rubbish. Airlines sit up and listen when the threat of a strike is real and they do what they can to avoid it. Discussing the finer points of the power plays in industrial relations will take hundreds of pages but collective bargaining works and the stick behind collective bargaining is industrial action. That is a fact. Anything else is people putting their broader politics ahead of the realpolitik.

SMT member
 

I am not asking for help from you.
I am trying to get the big picture across!

Ever since I lost my job due to bankruptcy in 1999 I have been a Freelance contractor.
And the industry has gone down, rapidly after 9/11.

This is the first time in my 30 years there is any hope of permanent improvement.
As a member you should have a chat with you union rep and have him explain some basics to you before you post next time.
What RYR does has repercussions for the whole industry.
If RYR pilots fail in this , we are all heading for worse T/C.
Cpt B

BluSdUp

I think you're missing the point. I for one would be happy to support your fight for better T&C, but the work must start at home first. What I'm specifially referring to was the situation where CC in one country went on strike, but Ryanair solved this by moving employees from another country in to cover. As long as Ryanair employees don't put their foot down on such practice, then you'll be hard pressed securing the support of outsiders.

But all that's really besides the point. As an employment group few are more selfish than professional pilots in Europe. They'll happily take a low-paying job and thus undermine the conditions of everybody, as long as they secure an income to pay off their huge training debts. That, my friend, is sadly 'the big picture', and I've really no idea how to address that. Well, I do actually, but it won't fly because there will always be a cadre of selfish, short-sighted, young wannabe's who'll fly for pennies.

If anybody is responsible for the downward spiral of pilot condtions in Europe, it's the selfish pilots who accepted a tax-dodging employment scheme where they are 'self-employed' and 'contract' their services out to O'Leary. Once again, RYR staff need to lead the way and show both resolve, unity and testicular fortitude, only then can you hope for the help of others.

SMT
Stop insulting RYR pilots.
The old guard that are now going on strike have plenty of fortitude, and children to prove it.
As for the pay to fly boys, I always was against that , but that is details and a prime example of how the RYR practices has spread!
The future , Son, and your terms are under attack by the LOCO CEOs.
Concentrate on the big picture now!!
Regards
Cpt B

I always wondered, why the pilot unions never ever seem to go to the root of the issue: ratings expire, ratings do cost a lot. Make a move to get this toward the employers (MANDATORY payment for the rating and all required courses by the employer, ratings should stay on the ticket and be renewed EASILY ) This would get the most pressure off crews to accept the pile of manure the companies want them to swallow.

SMT

It is illegal to strike without a lengthy legal procedure in the UK ,Secondary strikes are also illegal .So the situation you allude to about UK pilots being sent to cover striking pilots in other jurisdictions is out-with the control of those on a UK contract .

Same rules apply in easyJet amongst other carriers .If you are rostered a flight and you don't turn up in sympathy for those on strike in that country then you are engaging in illegal industrial action and will in all likelihood be fired .

In some other UK countries it is illegal for the EMPLOYER to circumvent strikes in this way . UK law , years behind .

They do from the perspective of risk/reward.

Pilots, and staff for that matter, do not risk their homes and livelihood when they take on a job. people who start companies take huge financial risks with their failies and home and should get the lions share of the reward as a result.

Anyone who doesn't like that is welcome to go and starts their own airline.

Its a curiously British trait of expecting all the rewards from starting a company. without the hassle of actually having to put your home on the line and live off reduced monies in the early days. That's why Silicon Valley could never happen in the UK - too many folks wanting a cut of someone elses company while asking others to take all the risk.

Dude
 

Indeed
I have more licences and typeratings then strictly needed.
All payed by the Company I worked for at any given time!
I now regularly fly with 23 year old FOs with a direct investment of 150 000euros.
Last week I had one that started his type 2017 july and had final line check this June.
Except for ca 80 hrs line training pay at a low rate he lived for 11 MONTHS off the Bank.

Anyway
Details! Work in Progress!
Progress! And the BIG picture!!
The future is so bright, were is my Ray Bans?!!
Gone Flying
Regards
Cpt B

I imagine you regularly petition your direct management to support sponsored selection and training of new flight crew.

If you trawl PPrune you find dozens if not hundreds of posts from people desperate to become pilots and to move into airline jobs. I'm afraid they won't help preserve the status-quo never mind fight for better conditions if the alternative is reaching their goal.

TBH the airline business has changed so much over the last 30 years it is hardly recognisable outside of a few National Carriers. Every one can scream and rail about the results but I'm afraid that, like so many industries, the old ways have gone forever. This isn't really a choice between good & evil - it's the way of the world and I don't think it can be stopped

The heart of this is the entrepreneurial advocacy. They are the sole risk takers & even MOR will have held his breath in the early years. I do admire them as they directly resulted in my career opportunities & advancement. Of course, he has taken advantage of the trend in order to maximise profit, quickly. If sponsored cadet training was the only option, these high flying risk takers would have found ways to profit, even from that. Imagine, say, the Ryanair College of Air Training based at some glorious Irish airfield. All fees paid upfront to final line check. BUT, ....................then......................all fees returned to the company through reduced salary over ten years.(plus interest, of course). There. End of. College expands to take cadets sponsored (similar deal) by other airlines. Blimey, massive money maker, massive profits and applicants lining up from all over the place. Oh, and I should be Principal. Awaiting M's phone call.

They already did that. You don't really think CAE got the entire 30k for a 73 type rating down do you? Also all the intermediaries that take a slice of the action of the contractors payments. Hard to believe that FR don't benefit in some shape or form from Brookfield or suchlike. I can't imagine they just gave away that income stream for free to an agency wanting to employ pilots without a kick back.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...says-1.3561268

30 flights cancelled - with the way FR work their crews that's what 8 crews on strike........

"Terms of reference" in other words the Company wanted anyone who agrees with them on the group and the union wanted anyone who disagrees with the Company.. Probably the Company also wanted members to use AVAC days to attend meetings and buy their own water at the meeting!

Around 100 of the 350 Irish pilots went on strike yesterday. How come the other 250 pilots didn't go on strike?
This might just be the beginning.
Ryanair pilots, the time is now.

Can't help but admire your intentions, however ryr is populated by legions of those sort of people who would sell/kill their mother to get ahead.
O' Misery takes advantage of that. End of story





exploits that

I know that, I've seen many of those, but you have to keep on trying, some day some of them will see it.

RowBot
One of the main indicators of running a good business is to collect minions below you that out wit you, and fire those that cannot.

Yeah, but he didn't copy the way Southwest treats its pilots and employees.

SMT Member, Heathrow Harry and 45989 have it nailed. It's a bit rich for the LoCo crew to ask everyone to support them when they have spent the last two decades buying their jobs and stitching each other up.

There was a lad on here a few years ago seekig his first job. He wanted existing captains to strike until the airlines stopped charging for type ratings, wouldn't have it that those captains had worked their way up without paying for a TR or that the quickest way to stop the trade in buying a job was simply not to buy one.

Sorry but if you are seeking either sympathy or support both are in the dictionary somewhere between 'sh!t' and 'syphillis'.