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It's about time Ryanair pilots do something to improve their T&C's. They made MOL and other execs millionaires and it's time they get a piece of the pie, too.
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Or you could say that all parties couldn’t have ‘succeded’ without the other, and that everyone should benefit from that ‘success’.
I think that conditions and fair treatment of staff is the most pertinent issue for Ryanair staff, rather than just cold hard cash. U.K. Pilots received circa 20% pay rise recently and yet still they leave in droves to other carriers. The irony here is that MOL hates spending his cash, yet most fixes are free i.e. goodwill, fair and transparent basing policy etc. For all his business acumen and hard-nosed negotiating, the man is a fool for creating these problems for himself. ��
I think that conditions and fair treatment of staff is the most pertinent issue for Ryanair staff, rather than just cold hard cash. U.K. Pilots received circa 20% pay rise recently and yet still they leave in droves to other carriers. The irony here is that MOL hates spending his cash, yet most fixes are free i.e. goodwill, fair and transparent basing policy etc. For all his business acumen and hard-nosed negotiating, the man is a fool for creating these problems for himself. ��
Ryanair crew could join pilots' strike action over pay and conditions
https://www.theguardian.com/business...and-conditionsMOL is the Pharaoh who built a pyramid called Ryanair. He used a few thousand workers to get it done. They slept in their cars at airport parking lots, waiting for their next shift hauling those stones up the ramp.
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Especially in Germany they claim to pay above their competitors and if you want a contract similar to tui fly they say it's too expensive. Wouldn't believe a word they say.
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Dear Fellow Pilots!
World wide!
Are You ready to support this strike so we can all have a level playing field and good conditions.?
The time is NOW.
United we stand.
Regards
Cpt Blue
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World wide!
Are You ready to support this strike so we can all have a level playing field and good conditions.?
The time is NOW.
United we stand.
Regards
Cpt Blue
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'United we stand'.
You mean, like when Ryanair crew from one country goes on strike and their flying is taken over by Ryanair crews from other countries? That kind of united?
Get your own house in order first, then you can ask others for help!
You mean, like when Ryanair crew from one country goes on strike and their flying is taken over by Ryanair crews from other countries? That kind of united?
Get your own house in order first, then you can ask others for help!
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But, seriously, pilot action or threats thereof , have rarely been effective with any airline. I've always found it very odd that in the USA , where mass action is normally seen as "socialism", that the unions have managed to retain scope clauses that pilots elsewhere in the world can only dream of. I suspect it's because in there are always other carriers and pilots who will cheerfully take over the demand caused if Airline A is on strike. RyanAir can go on strike but the punters will switch to Easyjet or whatever without missing a beat - which isn't a great negotiating position
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Never liked the need for Unions but less than adept airline managers did, really, bring it on themselves. I joined the airline business as a Loader at LGW while pursuing the PPL route back in the glory days. In the Gents, someone had written on the door "Workers, UNITE to smash big business .". Someone with more of a brain etched, underneath, " Yeah, and then, who would YOU work for ?".
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HH, despite all that I think you'll find a strike is exceptionally unwelcome by MOL or indeed any airline boss. As pilots we hold a very strong hand but collectively, we've played it feebly over the years. Except, as you rightly point out, in the States.
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But, seriously, pilot action or threats thereof , have rarely been effective with any airline
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I am not asking for help from you.
I am trying to get the big picture across!
Ever since I lost my job due to bankruptcy in 1999 I have been a Freelance contractor.
And the industry has gone down, rapidly after 9/11.
This is the first time in my 30 years there is any hope of permanent improvement.
As a member you should have a chat with you union rep and have him explain some basics to you before you post next time.
What RYR does has repercussions for the whole industry.
If RYR pilots fail in this , we are all heading for worse T/C.
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I am trying to get the big picture across!
Ever since I lost my job due to bankruptcy in 1999 I have been a Freelance contractor.
And the industry has gone down, rapidly after 9/11.
This is the first time in my 30 years there is any hope of permanent improvement.
As a member you should have a chat with you union rep and have him explain some basics to you before you post next time.
What RYR does has repercussions for the whole industry.
If RYR pilots fail in this , we are all heading for worse T/C.
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I think you're missing the point. I for one would be happy to support your fight for better T&C, but the work must start at home first. What I'm specifially referring to was the situation where CC in one country went on strike, but Ryanair solved this by moving employees from another country in to cover. As long as Ryanair employees don't put their foot down on such practice, then you'll be hard pressed securing the support of outsiders.
But all that's really besides the point. As an employment group few are more selfish than professional pilots in Europe. They'll happily take a low-paying job and thus undermine the conditions of everybody, as long as they secure an income to pay off their huge training debts. That, my friend, is sadly 'the big picture', and I've really no idea how to address that. Well, I do actually, but it won't fly because there will always be a cadre of selfish, short-sighted, young wannabe's who'll fly for pennies.
If anybody is responsible for the downward spiral of pilot condtions in Europe, it's the selfish pilots who accepted a tax-dodging employment scheme where they are 'self-employed' and 'contract' their services out to O'Leary. Once again, RYR staff need to lead the way and show both resolve, unity and testicular fortitude, only then can you hope for the help of others.
I think you're missing the point. I for one would be happy to support your fight for better T&C, but the work must start at home first. What I'm specifially referring to was the situation where CC in one country went on strike, but Ryanair solved this by moving employees from another country in to cover. As long as Ryanair employees don't put their foot down on such practice, then you'll be hard pressed securing the support of outsiders.
But all that's really besides the point. As an employment group few are more selfish than professional pilots in Europe. They'll happily take a low-paying job and thus undermine the conditions of everybody, as long as they secure an income to pay off their huge training debts. That, my friend, is sadly 'the big picture', and I've really no idea how to address that. Well, I do actually, but it won't fly because there will always be a cadre of selfish, short-sighted, young wannabe's who'll fly for pennies.
If anybody is responsible for the downward spiral of pilot condtions in Europe, it's the selfish pilots who accepted a tax-dodging employment scheme where they are 'self-employed' and 'contract' their services out to O'Leary. Once again, RYR staff need to lead the way and show both resolve, unity and testicular fortitude, only then can you hope for the help of others.
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Stop insulting RYR pilots.
The old guard that are now going on strike have plenty of fortitude, and children to prove it.
As for the pay to fly boys, I always was against that , but that is details and a prime example of how the RYR practices has spread!
The future , Son, and your terms are under attack by the LOCO CEOs.
Concentrate on the big picture now!!
Regards
Cpt B
Stop insulting RYR pilots.
The old guard that are now going on strike have plenty of fortitude, and children to prove it.
As for the pay to fly boys, I always was against that , but that is details and a prime example of how the RYR practices has spread!
The future , Son, and your terms are under attack by the LOCO CEOs.
Concentrate on the big picture now!!
Regards
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Stop insulting RYR pilots.
The old guard that are now going on strike have plenty of fortitude, and children to prove it.
As for the pay to fly boys, I always was against that , but that is details and a prime example of how the RYR practices has spread!
The future , Son, and your terms are under attack by the LOCO CEOs.
Concentrate on the big picture now!!
Regards
Cpt B
Stop insulting RYR pilots.
The old guard that are now going on strike have plenty of fortitude, and children to prove it.
As for the pay to fly boys, I always was against that , but that is details and a prime example of how the RYR practices has spread!
The future , Son, and your terms are under attack by the LOCO CEOs.
Concentrate on the big picture now!!
Regards
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It is illegal to strike without a lengthy legal procedure in the UK ,Secondary strikes are also illegal .So the situation you allude to about UK pilots being sent to cover striking pilots in other jurisdictions is out-with the control of those on a UK contract .
Same rules apply in easyJet amongst other carriers .If you are rostered a flight and you don't turn up in sympathy for those on strike in that country then you are engaging in illegal industrial action and will in all likelihood be fired .
In some other UK countries it is illegal for the EMPLOYER to circumvent strikes in this way . UK law , years behind .
It is illegal to strike without a lengthy legal procedure in the UK ,Secondary strikes are also illegal .So the situation you allude to about UK pilots being sent to cover striking pilots in other jurisdictions is out-with the control of those on a UK contract .
Same rules apply in easyJet amongst other carriers .If you are rostered a flight and you don't turn up in sympathy for those on strike in that country then you are engaging in illegal industrial action and will in all likelihood be fired .
In some other UK countries it is illegal for the EMPLOYER to circumvent strikes in this way . UK law , years behind .
