This strike is not going well for the Pilots. They are barely making an impact. Occassional 10% cancelled flights with most passengers being accommodated is not enough to crush the will of the opponent.
The opponent is making it appear that they are the good guy who is prioritising families ahead of business travellers to the UK as a result of the pilot strike.
Pilots here might not see it like that but that is how it looks to the passengers.

That is over two days, not one so less effective and to be honest I think the problem for cabin crew is easier solved through contracted staff who are not in short supply compared to pilots.
I do think Ryanair paid less respect to Cabin Crew's ability to organise than Pilots or maybe Ryanair are just so cheap that they wouldn't invest in avoiding cabin crew strikes until the strikes actually hit.

Ryanair seem to be heading for a showdown with the CAA due to a clash over compensation payments caused by the strikes.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...868.1520447614

Would I be a bit of a cynic if I see these strikes as 'useful' for saving up pilots' flying hours to avoid the problems of last September? In other words, a few bits of disjointed disruption now is better than that big disruption in September.

A bit of disjointed disruption at the busiest time of year? Doesn't really sound plausible.

What I suggest is happening, is Ryanair having failed to grasp the seriousness of the situation, and the resolve of their cabin- and cockpit crews. They've publicly said they'll acknowledge unions, but not any union. Particularly, Ryanair doesn't seem to recognise any existing unions. Since then all they've done is give staff a song and a dance, trying to stall for as long as possible hoping it'll all go away.

Mr O'Leary like all bullies will extend and pretend.

They will turn themselves inside out doing everything, then finally having exhausted all other options, do the right thing...

The right thing from an industrial relations perspective appears to be to continue hiring contractors who don't strike even when law permits them to do so.
If Ryanair Management sees forward bookings begin to struggle then they might change strategy but that hasn't happened so far.
I'm not seeing the motivator in either financial or legal terms which compels Ryanair Management to genuinely embrace the Unions if at all.

It will ‘take all necessary measures’ to protect the contractual relationship with its passengers shareholders.

Sky Reporting the following:
Ryanair has taken the unusual step of publishing staff pay and benefit details online as workers for the airline stage strikes.
The budget airline hit back at Irish pilots staging a third 24-hour strike over working conditions.
Ryanair posted details on its website of pilots' monthly and annual salaries, which included captains from Ireland, the UK, Belgium, Germany and Portugal.
The airline claimed the pilots earned between €190,000 and €220,000 (£169,000 and £195,000) year.

Not about money then I'd guess?;)

Given Ryanair have posted the wage slips details of the earnings that various captains earn at various different bases in different countries, would it not also be a good idea to reveal (other than the Basic) the Social and PAYE headings also, just to clarify?. I am interested to know what the other (second) largest amount is on each payslip. If you look purely at the Basic salary, then it's less than other operator's Command salaries for equivalent fleet position and size in the main. The bulk of salary is made up of something else (pre-tax?), and also - what position in Ryanair do these individuals hold? Base Captains? Directors of some sort? or just ordinary line pilots?.

Dublin reduction!
 

Good Morning
And the plot thickens!
According newspaper Rte.ie Ryanair has told them that this winter it reduces the Dublin based aircraft from 30 to 25.
100 pilots and 200 cabin crew has been given notice of temporary redundancy and an offer to transfer to Poland this winter.
Union busting on a high level!
Not sure the timing is right.
Correction , : I am sure the timing is NOT right.
Time to dust off that old CV, me thinks.
Regards
Cpt B

On the other hand if bookings fall off a cliff then you won't need so many staff, like say 20% fewer... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN1KF0X5

Low-cost end of the market in any industry is notoriously sensitive, pax don't fly ryanair because they like them, they put up with ryanair because it does the job at a low price, the minute it stops doing the job or having lowest price, the pax will be gone. Ryanair doesn't do frequent-flyer-miles or airport-lounges, if you have a bad flight there isn't anywhere to upgrade you to on the next one, and MOL will happily leave pax stranded without assistance or EU261 compensation. Every time that happens it's at least one pax lost, for a long time.

MOL doesn't care of course, plenty of work for his planes elsewhere in the EU, apparently, and the crew of course provided they want to transfer to another EU country with the same standards of EU law and judicial independence (*cough*)...

The Irish Independent has more details of Ryanair's latest moves, here:

"Temporary redundancy" in other words unpaid leave over the winter reserving the right to call you back when we need you --on our terms. They know winter is the soft season for recruitment and most guys would need 3 months to get a job and would probably choose to stay but loose the pay.. Let me guess.. if you've been on strike you run the risk of being a target! Perhaps the crews can shaft them by offering a "job share" spread the pain amongst the brethren and avoid the need for "reductions"

Are the 100 Pilots the one's on strike or....Union needs to stand firm

Oh my Lord. Staff will be transferred ''based on performance and attendance''. No safety issues there! Move along now! Nothing to be seen here

I haven't seen this elsewhere: Ryanair cabin crew on strike today and tomorrow in Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Belgium.

Without wishing to defend RYR, the general issue that you can be employed in one country and as a result can't get a mortgage in another is something the EU probably ought to have a look at.

Hi management dude. First of all, that's what Ryanair's been claiming to do for, well, months as it is. I'd suspect it would take a month or three to sort all the legalities out for contracts to be made locally, depending on where you were based. That time has long passed, and is clear testimony to the fact Ryanair's self-proclaimed acceptance of negotiating with unions were barefaced lies. They've been stalling for time, hoping for the winter season to cover the staff reductions. Short sighted as usual, but a move such as the one in Dublin does send a clear message and put the employees in conflict bases under a lot of pressure. He's testing their resolve or, in other words, it's all part of the great pissing contest.

You know very very well that Ryanair never acts in good faith... Thankgod the rest of Europe is finally realising it to.

Customers and crew all stand behind this strike Ryanair!

Is it time to help?!
 

Hi 172_driver. As you appear to have information that the rest of us do not have could you answer the following questions please:

1. Was the current IALPA President Mr. Cullen of Aer Lingus one of the negotiators selected by the union?
2. Were any other Aer Lingus people included among the negotiators selected by the union?
3. If not, what other airlines had negotiators selected by the union?
4. What reason did Ryanair give for doing a 180. Who (no names) did they object to?

If you are unwilling to provide answers to these questions then your statement quoted above remains unsubstantiated and mere hearsay.

Not quite sure you can legitimately apply the predicate to the subject of this sentence .... but maybe that's the English grammar classes of my youth finally finding a purpose.

Negan
 

There is a few words for people like You!
All of them will get this post deleted.

So lets just say You are WRONG !

Thanks for your input JPJP but no need to get all excited and upset. Let me explain.

In the light of the claim that Ryanair didn't act "in good faith" by walking out of an intended meeting with the union I thought it was important to find out if they actually DID walk out and why before trying to reach any conclusions.

Let us assume for the moment that they did do a 180.
If, and I say IF they saw any Aer Lingus reps on the union's team when they arrived they would have every right to walk away given the long history between the two airlines and, in particular, with the IALPA President. It doesn't matter which side of the discussion you are on, it happened. If you don't know what that history is then you need to look it up. In this (Dublin) dispute it is a very relevant factor whether you agree or not.

Any Aer Lingus presence on the team would have to be considered a provocative (bad faith) move by the union.

On the other hand, if there was nobody on the team from Aer Lingus then that's a different ballgame altogether.

However, following 172_driver's reply it is now clear that the 180 he referred to didn't happen at Dublin.

172_driver, thanks for your reply. Apologies, I thought you were referring to the high profile dispute with pilots at the Dublin base.

It is perfectly obvious that you have no clear understanding of the difficulties that beset this particular (Dublin) dispute, are incapable of carrying on a reasoned discussion and are just intent on ranting on with your obvious hatred of the airline blinding your mind. It's there for all to see.

Firing 200 pilots as cabin crew an advantage to their competitors.

Ryanair's Rivals Want to Hire Its Disgruntled Pilots | Fortune