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The difficulty is that whatever happens, MOL is going to walk away with more money than you or I could ever imagine. |
Ryanair pilots on strike : you have my full support. What you are doing is for the sake of the all pilot community (current and futur).
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Originally Posted by JW411
(Post 10219968)
The difficulty is that whatever happens, MOL is going to walk away with more money than you or I could ever imagine.
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To quote Well Used! "incredibly poor middle management unable to voice concerns to high profile directors who are interested in nothing more than headline profits. Pair this with inept crewing practices, poor rostering and the perfect storm brews." Indeed it is so,and getting worse by the day! Many companies are becoming "Swiss cheese" factories!...with us pilots spending more and more time preventing the holes lining up! Its a credit to individuals that safety is still paramount,even when not one management character ever seems to attend the average CRM course! How about someone starting an "Incredible but true rostering" thread,for example.. We can then post some actual roster lines,without naming companies...We know the press are paying attention,maybe they should be our direct line to the punters,who don't realise what they are sacrificing,for their cut price travel! |
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Originally Posted by beachbumflyer
(Post 10225217)
Chief Executive Officer Michael O’Leary says he won’t accept terms that jeopardize the low cost base that’s made his company so dominant in short-haul flying. The entire business model is flawed. It is flawed for an elementary reason, with pre- condition 1 not being met, pre- condition 2 no longer holds. Therefore given that operating unit cost is effectively fixed (with the exception of labour) and reduction in asymmetry is ipso facto a risk to business continuance of this model. Unless RYR abandons their pre - conditions which from all elements of the business are driven, they may well find their business model is a continued but inevitable decline. . As is well known, they cherry picked the elements they wanted from Southwest's model leaving out the most important part; treating people with respect. This is precisely why, as detailed eloquently Jody Gittel, despite a lower unit cost for RYR, their productivity was no where close. Effectively there is nothing new, business that treat employees well, who in turn treat customers well, add far more value to a business that can be input on a spreadsheet. The chances of Mr O'Leary having a 'Road to Damascus' moment are not good... The question for the board is when do they begin the hunt for a replacement who gets the real vulnerability of their current structure. Perhaps it is time to send him to the woodshed? |
To quote Branson (who I must admit isn't perfect):
"Train people well enough so they can leave, treat them well enough so they don't want to." |
RYR strike
You RYR pilots going for strike have the full support of worldwide pilot community! Stick together and don,t give up till O leary and his management will leave the company! |
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I wonder if they will refund the interest they have earned on the monies they never paid out and also the charges some of them have incurred.
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Bounced compensation cheques
Believe that the old principle of "all publicity is good publicity" lives on ...
The other principle of: "stall the process", "BS as much as possible", and "gain time", so that they will give up, is also alive and well ... |
Originally Posted by zerograv
(Post 10230644)
Believe that the old principle of "all publicity is good publicity" lives on ...
The subtext of the issue is that despite FR protestations compensation IS payable for cancellations due to strikes. This can only encourage more claims. EU261 is the elephant in the room, it's the biggest potential cost of any strike action. The longer the dispute drags on, the more pax will realise they can claim. This alone will prevent FR facing down strikes for any length of time. |
But in this instance it's working against Ryanair In the link provided 4 posts above, one of the persons complaining about the bounced cheque mentions that the bounced cheque cost him 32 Euros (£29) in bank expenses. This will help to create doubt in the people ability to obtain compensation from RYR for their concelled flights. Some will just give up the idea of depositing the cheques provided by RYR, fearing it will end up costing them even more money. Even if it's just a small percentage of people that end up not claiming their compensation, the amount of money saved by RYR will be alot. Voila ... "bad publicity" produces good results. Don't ever underestimate the "creative" thinking of MOL and his team ... |
Originally Posted by Sonikt
(Post 10230657)
The subtext of the issue is that despite FR protestations compensation IS payable for cancellations due to strikes. This can only encourage more claims..
See https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8309971.html Has there been any further court test cases? Did Air France and BA have to subsequently pay out where they had previously not. I can't see Ryanair paying compensation if neither Air France nor BA did. |
Originally Posted by ayroplain
(Post 10230860)
The situation in April was that more court cases would most likely ensue from the airlines - particularly as the threat of compensation was considered an unfair advantage to unions in disputes.
See https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8309971.html Has there been any further court test cases? Did Air France and BA have to subsequently pay out where they had previously not. I can't see Ryanair paying compensation if neither Air France nor BA did. Obviously they were smart enough to let sleeping dogs lie |
Originally Posted by zerograv
(Post 10230855)
Even if it's just a small percentage of people that end up not claiming their compensation, the amount of money saved by RYR will be alot.
Don't ever underestimate the "creative" thinking of MOL and his team ... A business model based on breaking the law is indeed ingenious. Until that law gets enforced, as per CAA action last year. Good luck Michael, you are going to need it |
"all publicity is good publicity"
The great unwashed now know that they can actually receive compensation cheques issued by Ryanair! |
Indecision in Dublin
Just an observation:
At this time of the year it has always been possible to book flights for next summer season . Most airlines has had this out for a long time. It is not possible to book a ticket with RYR on a lot of destinations . Lack of crew ? Certainly not lack of aircraft. Just saying ! Cpt B |
Airlines having to pay EU compensation in case of strike action is a double-edged sword. It will certainly hurt LCCs most as they have to pay out a lot more than they got for the tickets, but it might also allow airlines to claim this as damages from unions in jurisdictions entertaining such claims. It is also not in line with the principle of compensation that are meant not to apply if delays/cancellations are caused by events outside the airlines's control (which seems to apply to a strike).
All the best to the RYR pilots nevertheless. |
Alpine
I think You will find that RYR has hardly payed a cent to anyone. Rebooking and small sums, hassel and a lot of smoke, add some time and : Voila bygones. With regards to taking Unions to court. NEVER. First we would fight that to any high court . Second RYR would cease to exist long before that due lack of pilots. And Mr Alpine, a strike is ALWAYS inside the control of any airline. Most certainly this one. |
With the potent reality emerging to even the most bolted on IR thug, that unlimited supply is no more, an eerie silence is permeating the halls of the Airside business park in Dublin.
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Taking the TUs to Court due to a possibly "unlawful" strike and the EU Comp payouts would be, er, interesting. There is some Research that would suggest that as a strike develops, both sides "dig in", - as long as they can afford the cost - and as they dig in, their attitudes to the other party harden, and their need to "win" becomes stronger.
So, a Court action might be a risk neither side wants to take. But, being an idiot in IR terms is not unknown. |
Ryanair and its Irish pilots reach a deal. Let's see what happens in other European countries.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ryana...144802145.html |
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A quick update: According a press release from RYR the Italian based pilots has signed and accepted a CLA ( Collective Labor Agreement) According to RYR Italy represents 20 of the total production. |
The Saga continues...... German pilots and cabin crew will strike on Wednesday. Link only in german, sorry Ryanair: Deutsche Piloten wollen am Mittwoch erneut streiken - SPIEGEL ONLINE |
The Saga!
Ah , Now we are using words I like.
The Saga. That indicates History is made. There is more news on rte.ie and since I can not make a link to the article You all have to find it Yourself, sorry! But in short , the German RYR employed pilots will have a 24 hrs strike. What is more , RYR annual meeting (AMG) on the 20 sept is closed to the press AND no press conference afterwards. I sense change in the air. Regards Cpt B |
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What is more , RYR annual meeting (AMG) on the 20 sept is closed to the press AND no press conference afterwards. |
Or a Union Pilot.
Anyone, Eh! |
Originally Posted by BluSdUp
(Post 10246030)
RYR annual meeting (AMG) on the 20 sept is closed to the press AND no press conference afterwards.
I sense change in the air. But North Korea this is not...the truth will out regardless...and such clumsy attempt to suppress it will no doubt draw the ire of many in the press. In a vacuum conspiracy theories will abound - Is there a shareholder revolt? Is there a schism in senior management? Is the company trying to hide something, like a serious financial or operational issue? As I have said before, FR senior management are conditioned to always getting their own way; their inability to fight effectively from the back foot is becoming more evident by the day. It's looking increasingly likely that heads will roll before this is over, all the way to the top. |
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From the article...
Ryanair’s employment issues highlight long-standing concerns about governance and in particular Mr Bonderman’s oversight role as chair of the board and his ability to influence the CEO, Michael O’Leary.” Questions about the company’s business model and governance now pose a threat to shareholder value. TPG aren't really known for their appreciation of humanity, like most private equity, the strategy is strip out cost, lever the balance sheet, break things up and sell them off...Rather like Mr O'Leary and the architects of the adversarial industrial model, a Chair, CEO and senior management welded to an adversarial business model ought rightly be sent to the woodshed. The whole business model needs to change, it has had its day. " |
AirLine Pilots Association, aka ALPA |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10249470)
From the article...
Finally we see the pendulum swing the other way. The company's business model is predicated on unlimited supply not only of pilots but all labour unit cost (AKA employees) TPG aren't really known for their appreciation of humanity, like most private equity, the strategy is strip out cost, lever the balance sheet, break things up and sell them off...Rather like Mr O'Leary and the architects of the adversarial industrial model, a Chair, CEO and senior management welded to an adversarial business model ought rightly be sent to the woodshed. The whole business model needs to change, it has had its day. " German Pilots versus FR Management |
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And from the EU commissioner:
"Respecting EU law is not something over which workers should have to negotiate, nor is it something which can be done differently from country to country. I made this very clear to Mr. O'Leary today. I am not against Ryanair or against the low-cost business model. But with great success also comes great responsibility. The internal market is not a jungle; it has clear rules on fair labour mobility and worker protection. This is not an academic debate, but about concrete social rights of worker." |
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Very interesting stuff, as a pilot with tons of loans and no hours nor aviation job this gives a bit of hope.
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Some background reading about the company ...
and its CEO
From the Irish Times today Not that I can guarantee the authenticity or reliability of any (character) judgements contained therein https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/b...line-1.3634667 |
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