Why are you so certain the UK will reciprocate? We could simply maintain the status quo, especially if it doesnt effect UK businesses. We do not have to increase any paperwork or checks at borders, we do not have to change any rules nor stop any current practices unless WE wish to. Now I accept that is the logical way forward, and politicians seem to lack logic at present but.....

As they say, be careful what you wish for!

Unfortunately it seems that "certain aviation licenses" does not cover any personnel licenses, but rather it covers design certificates and approvals held in the UK which need to be maintained temporarily to safeguard the EU aviation system.

I guess this contingency regulation doesn't include individual licenses because the EC assumes that individuals should have 'prepared for all possible scenarios, assessed relevant risks and planned their response to mitigate them' by swapping their license to EU country.

Here are the certificates and approvals that will continue to be recognized for 9 months https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...ects-annex.pdf

You misunderstand the (Cough) 'decision making process' (Cough) of bureaucrats, politicians and weak management. The can is continually kicked down the road and ad hoc decisions are made by businesses and staff at working level on what should happen, the deadline passes with ad hoc solutions in place and the 'decision makers' say look there is already a working solution it will be disruptive to back out of that we will reluctantly support it. This is the art of blame avoidance - the politicians didn't make the decision on what to do - the ad hoc solution was developed by people who had to come up with a quick fix solution. So nobody can blame the politicians for what is happening. As the deadline approaches the politicians are less and less likely to make any meaningful decisions. Indeed, with the deadline a mere 12 weeks away it is really too late to make any decisions that require any constructive thought.

Remember these people are politicians because they can't make it in private business.

Does all this correspondence mean that an EASA licence becomes invalid on 31 March? How so? And what of aircraft certified by EASA?

Happy to corrected, but if that's the case then how about all O'Leary's EI Reg aircraft based in the UK - do they have to become G Reg to fly to / from UK into the EU ?

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Please can you explain how Ryanair can retain its fifth freedom rights, yet British airlines will lose theirs just because the EU says so. Don't air routes around the world come under the Chicago Convention, which the EU is not even a member?

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AW, derogation means that, although UK could become a 3rd country, it will be exempt from 1178 and 1321 and exam results shall (must) will still be recogmised as if they had been taken in an EASA country. Assume (?) this covers the ATPL papers if they have been started but not completed by march amongst others.

There appear to be many`experts` including me posting on this Prune thread.
Just remember folks, those of you who still can that is, in the years way before the UK joining the EU, UK aircraft & crews operated into Europe & vice versa, why could this not continue after the EU withdrawl.
Just remember, there is still a lot of the world out there, outside the EU & despite the prophets of doom saying otherwise, the world did not stop with the millenium, it will not stop when the UK leaves the EU.
Finally, yes the Commonwealth is still out there, try us again, you might find us all are still friends.

Thank you Kaikohe and though we were mostly unaware of it at the time, some of us are ashamed of what happened to Commonwealth farmers in 1973. Maybe we can redeem ourselves.

Brexit is Brexit - the cherry picker dreamers will get their lessons learnt, its gonna to be a "lead by example" action and yes, I think its good to show the rest of EU what happens if an exit starts the mess up. So far small piece of advise: THE EU has no fear about uncontrolled exit, highly recommend to look for an EASA licence if possible.

You are incorrect in your assumption.
Ryanair is making changes to its operation model to ensure flights in UK under fifth freedom rights, if those rights are abolished, are maintained.
The UK AOC allows for UK flights in such case, EI AOC will then not be used on those routes.

British airlines are able to do the same, by setting up EU subsidiaries, as easyJet has done.

I agree with the reply from SFIM. However, the CAA has said that EU licences will remain valid for the UK for at least 2 years after Brexit, so perhaps check again with your employer.
The CAA has said that those who transfer can also have a UK FCL licence after Brexit.
The FAQ on their website says:
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If I transfer my licence to another EASA member state, can I be issued with a UK licence after March 29 2019
Yes, this process is under review. Further advice will be added to this microsite when available.
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The CAA's EU Microsite is quite well hidden.
You need to google "CAA Exit" to find the main page.

Then well down the page, buried in the text, you will find the word 'microsite' as a link, which takes you to the detailed stuff, including the FAQ

One wonders why it is so well hidden. Perhaps the CAA is concerned about losing control and revenue if the majority of pilots and organisations transfer to other member States.

There is a potential trap for you and any colleagues here. If you don't transfer you licence to another EU State and then in a few month's or years from now, your employer decides to become an EU airline (by moving their head office abroad), you will have to get a Part-FCL licence to continue to fly with them. According to current EU rules that will mean taking your exams again. And you would also need to do that if you wanted to leave your current job to fly for any EU operator. There is an article on this in the current issue of Flight Training News - and on their website. In your position I would draw that to the attention of your employer and ask them to think again.

Closing date for license transfer passed?
 

https://info.caa.co.uk/eu-exit/commercial-pilots/

Q. When is the latest I could apply to transfer my licence to another EASA member state to get my licence in time for 29 March 2019?
A. "The CAA has no control over the issuance process of other EASA Member States, we therefore recommend that you contact the proposed NAA directly on these matters.
To enable the CAA time to complete its part in the licence transfer process, the CAA advises that application forms from the NAA need to be submitted to the CAA by January 1 2019. We will endeavour to transfer any application received after this date, but the process may not be completed by 29 March 2019."

Note that it says the forms need to be from the NAA not the applicant so that deadline is passed now.

It is - I hold both.

Outwardly no, the institutional view appears to reflect that, however internally I understand there is considerable concern about a no-deal exit and hence the proposed regulation. Many in the EC and dependant institutions have believed that the UK will never completely sever ties with Europe and indeed the UK Government has certainly given that impression since Article 50 was invoked, but a discussion I had last week with a trusted UK aviation manufacturing industry management source suggests that this political wavering might be a strategic ploy to force the hand of the EC and bring them to the negotiating table with a view to leveraging more favourable terms for the UK. From the perspective of the aerospace industry, and leaving the soft assets aside, how many UK manufactured and certified components are flying around in or hanging from EASA registered aircraft flying today and for the next many years?