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ACMS 3rd Aug 2016 13:02

Th EVAC command doesn't come straight away, it takes time to run the appropriate EICAS then the EVAC checklist etc. not seen in the Video because the video is too short.

Regarding the wind, the ATC recordings say " wind 340/11 clear to land"

So, from a SE to a NW, yes quite likely Windshear....

Desertweasel 3rd Aug 2016 13:04

in the UAE every picture here could e considered illegal since they tarnish the reputation of EK. There may be some censorship or self censorship going on

marcoalza 3rd Aug 2016 13:06


Originally Posted by Desertweasel (Post 9460601)
in the UAE every picture here could e considered illegal since they tarnish the reputation of EK. There may be some censorship or self censorship going on

There is plenty of images and videos being circulated by the AE media here though...

Guy of Gisborne 3rd Aug 2016 13:09


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 9460597)
Th EVAC command doesn't come straight away, it takes time to run the appropriate EICAS then the EVAC checklist etc. not seen in the Video because the video is too short.

Regarding the wind, the ATC recordings say " wind 340/11 clear to land"

So, from a SE to a NW, yes quite likely Windshear....

ACMS, that's got to quote of the day, "not seen in the video because the video is too short"

gulliBell 3rd Aug 2016 13:11

It's being reported in the media now that the pilot made an announcement to the passengers prior to landing that there was a problem with the landing gear and to prepare for an emergency landing.

Roger Greendeck 3rd Aug 2016 13:14

For those so keen to criticise the decision not to evacuate in Singapore recently. In training too many people treat an evacuation like the end of a fairy tale '...and they lived happily ever after'. But every evacuation has significant risks and it's even worse if there's smoke, fire, foam, and vehicles surrounding the aircraft. The same accusation was levelled at the QF32 incident in Singapore, even though the number one engine couldn't be shut down and despite everyone disembarking safely. For now can we just be happy that evacuating worked safely this time and delaying worked safely a few weeks ago. When the detailed reports come out in due course we can make a more balanced assessment of the crew's actions.

1fm 3rd Aug 2016 13:16

A closer shot of the burnt-out image shows it came to rest near the M14A/B marker, which puts it near the end of 12L(?)

Plane crash landed in Dubai airport Photos and Images | european pressphoto agency

ACMS 3rd Aug 2016 13:17

Well Guy, what else can I say? Yes I saw the video of the Aircraft stopping, the video stops before the EVAC......why? Because the EVAC procedure takes time.....

What part of that concept confuses you?

Bonzo777 3rd Aug 2016 13:18

Several pax running with their carry on baggage cases!! When will they ever learn?

donpizmeov 3rd Aug 2016 13:19

Some even carrying their kids...what were they thinking :)

MynameisInigoMontoya 3rd Aug 2016 13:20

1 fatality reported.

crwkunt roll 3rd Aug 2016 13:21


Th EVAC command doesn't come straight away, it takes time to run the appropriate EICAS then the EVAC checklist
Cabin crew won't wait for EVAC command when it's obvious.

ACMS 3rd Aug 2016 13:22

They would wait in this case, they would first attempt to establish communication with the cockpit and if that didn't work they would then EVAC.
I'd say the cockpit crew initiated this EVAC as per SOP

chuboy 3rd Aug 2016 13:23


Originally Posted by MynameisInigoMontoya (Post 9460628)
1 fatality reported.

EK have already issued a statement confirming there were no fatalities.

Guy of Gisborne 3rd Aug 2016 13:23


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 9460625)
Well Guy, what else can I say? Yes I saw the video of the Aircraft stopping, the video stops before the EVAC......why? Because the EVAC procedure takes time.....

What part of that concept confuses you?

I know how long an evac takes. What is strange is that someone would stop filming at that point. Your explaination is akin to "how long is a piece of string"!

Sober Lark 3rd Aug 2016 13:24

Looks like they will have to review the capability to evacuate in under 90 seconds as most seem to carry their hand baggage with them - unlike in simulated exercises.

littco 3rd Aug 2016 13:24


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 9460615)
It's being reported in the media now that the pilot made an announcement to the passengers prior to landing that there was a problem with the landing gear and to prepare for an emergency landing.

Can't believe that's true for a minute! No emergency call, no hold , no apparent attempt to resolve the issue yet Captain says prepare for an emergency landing..

skydler 3rd Aug 2016 13:30


Originally Posted by crwkunt roll (Post 9460629)
Cabin crew won't wait for EVAC command when it's obvious.

Only if it pertains to smoke or fire inside the cabin. If outside only then they still have to wait

Keg 3rd Aug 2016 13:30


Originally Posted by Roger Greendeck (Post 9460619)
For those so keen to criticise the decision not to evacuate in Singapore recently. In training too many people treat an evacuation like the end of a fairy tale '...and they lived happily ever after'. But every evacuation has significant risks and it's even worse if there's smoke, fire, foam, and vehicles surrounding the aircraft. The same accusation was levelled at the QF32 incident in Singapore, even though the number one engine couldn't be shut down and despite everyone disembarking safely. For now can we just be happy that evacuating worked safely this time and delaying worked safely a few weeks ago. When the detailed reports come out in due course we can make a more balanced assessment of the crew's actions.

A good outcome does not indicate an effective decision making process. Plenty of people have made appalling decisions over the years without a bad outcome. Some people have made extraordinary decisions in diabolical situations and not lived to see the next dawn.

Every decision to stay has significant risks. The point often lost in the QF32 incident was the crew had the ability with QF procedures to disembark with slides and not as an evac. This allowed them to nominate which slides they wanted to use and to do it at a more sedate rate that minimised injuries- ie they could have used main deck only slides and taken their time to get set up properly on the ground with appropriately briefed ABPs to assist.

Xeque 3rd Aug 2016 13:31

The pax themselves will confirm whether they had a warning from the flight deck. The speed (as reported) of the evacuation would tend to support that.
Whatever - absolute 100% well done to the cabin crew to get them all out safe in 45 seconds. Awesome work guys.
The report in the Aviation Herald is significant in that the Tower reminded the crew to lower the gear on final followed by a go round. Was this as a result of visual sight that the gear wasn't down or is it something they always say?
Can I ask the experts please, bearing in mind the time it takes to spool up idling engines, how close to the ground do you have to be for a touchdown to be inevitable?


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