your punch would encourage another, panic ensues, people die. Thanks a bunch

+1. Even more so with a dead fire fighter.

Over the last few years I have had occasion to analyse very large datasets of wind shear levels. Agreed this was measured at lower levels, 125 m and below, but it indicates what must be occurring above. It is often assumed to conform to simple formulae. It does not. I frequently saw occasions when wind speed at low levels was much greater than at high levels. Completely counter intuitive. As stated elsewhere, we have much to learn about wind shear.

Any info on who was flying.

Listening to the ATC tape, likely the captain.

Apologies for missing this, if it is already here on this thread, but where can that ATC recording be found?

I did wonder if that explosion (apparently after pax and crew had evacuated?) might have had something to do with it? Sad that there had to be a fatality amongst the rescue crew, everyone aboard having already got out. :(

With regards to the surprise being expressed here that pax were leaving with hand baggage - don't be! There are other examples on the web of photos/video of pax doing this, a fairly recent one being the BA 777 engine fire at Las Vegas. The pax will just not listen! :rolleyes:

you would believe what is around it, all that sand and they build up to the edge of the airfield

http://i67.tinypic.com/24o5xd2.jpg

If an LiON battery goes nuts in a bin at 38000ft, I rather have that bin locked. First of all, you'll have a very hard time extinguishing the fire anyway. Second, let the smoke stay in the bin. Third, don't help the fire by adding oxygen. You'll have a lot more panic if you have a burning laptop in the isle.

Well, you might prefer that method, but that isn't by any stretch the recommended method or way to deal with it. Perhaps you should ask your cabin crew what they would do? I would hope it isn't the same as what you would do.
He addition of oxygen in battery fires is negligible, the major differance with these types of fire is its a thermal runaway and not a conventional fire.

And the relevance of that????
 

UAE is fairly small as it happens. Take a look at many major airports around the world and you won't see much difference....

Could wheels up have been the best outcome for this though? IIRC the BA 777 at LHR had a massive fuel leak because the landing gear punctured the fuel tanks when it crashed?

The weather conditions quoted are quite usual for Dubai. As far as wind direction is concerned, you can almost set your watch by the change from Easterlies to Westerlies.

Built-up area, I think it slightly disingenuous to highlight the issue for reasons previously given and the fact that Dubai's runways are over 4000m in length; it is a big bit of real-estate. Furthermore, unlike lots of other countries, they are investing in the 6-runway mega airport at Dubai World.

Judging by the burnt out carcass on the runway, I doubt it.

Think you will find the wheels were down.

Some stray thoughts:

1. Outstanding performance of cabin crew in this incident and the China Airlines Okinawa incident , with no loss of life among crew and passengers, point to Immediate EVAC as the correct response to fire on ground. No harm done in NOT evacuating in the SQ case does not mean it was the best course of action in view of Most Probable Outcome scenarios.

The two above mentioned "real world" cases prove that in an emergency, even with all the chaos and passengers taking their luggage that IT WORKS. EVAC WORKS.

2. The ability of modern airliners being able to carry a lot of passenger luggage in overhead bins and thus freeing up cargo space for goods is resulting in freighter use being reduced. And All Cargo operations being greatly impacted.

And has resulted in passengers being able to carry off more and more and heavier and heavier luggage off aircraft in Emergencies.

We are not going to be able to stop passengers removing their luggage. It is human nature.

We need to look at REDUCING the ability to carry on baggage. Having smaller bins ,not BIGGER. Bigger bins result in more luggage being carried off and possibly falling out of bins.

Many airlines are charging for checking in bags. This should be reverse. There should instead be charges for hand carry. And strictly only small items should be allowed.

3. Tragic loss of life of the firefighter in this case. Any operational or procedural mistakes (if any) should be corrected . Fires are dangerous for all involved obviously.

Banana...to which CCTV footage do you refer? If it's the Biman Bangladesh one from a few years ago, then a few media outlets are falsely using it.

Just when we thought the SQ debate had run its course and there was nothing new that could usefully be added ...

Heaven forbid that the respective investigations - EK and SQ - should both conclude that the crew in question made the correct decision in the (significantly different) circumstances.

Agree with every word!
 

Well said, sir. All points totally valid.

Pax are humans not just slf. If they are off, they want passport and money. And perhaps other stuff. A reality of life. Forget trying to control it, you have to work around it as best you can. As suggested by armchair.

He probably knows my views on the sq fire... Evac does work and again, minor injuries only?

I just checked. You are correct. Post deleted. Thank you.

Evac video has been posted: https://mobile.twitter.com/rehanquereshi/status/760883989490040833