Interestingly the Malaysians are in full political mode. I'm intrigued that the Malaysian PM mentioned the FAA, NTSB, AAIB as the promulgators of this information regarding the Inmarset ping. If hewas confident 100% that the info was ironclad then they would have claimed it themselves, instead the PM is hedging his bets. It clearly shows he is putting these agencies credibility on the hook and not just their own. If this information turns out in the future to be incorrect which is a possibility then the Malaysians will not be the ones getting the blame for it. A bit of political insurance in my opinion, when you read the PM's statement it is obvious that the Malaysians at the time are not 100% in support of it. The statement makes no mention of the lead investigator and the minister of transport who were quite active in the investigation. I suspect that these men don't quite agree with the info aboutthe ping.
There may be a whole lot more to this yet.

They need to keep sweeping the South China Sea especially near the South Veitnam coast. To stop searching this area now is insane. By now it's under the ocean, the wreckage probably sunk after the last sat ping at 08:11am. The search and rescue effort hadn't even properly started then.

Been answered, and remember, one of the first hijacking events by the PLO (Leila Kahlid ? ) was to take 3 aircraft to the Jordanian desert, a Boeing 707, a Convair 880 and a VC-10.

None left.

Sheep Guts is convinced it is still off Vietnam. Is any of the radar tracking data and vector changes on airway intersections that are now being supported by various agencies not sinking in yet ? It seems well documented , or are they totally off base ? I know where my bets are.

Elka Athina
 

Are there any sources for a report of the sighting?

This report seems to have dropped of the scope. No update and not taken up by any news agency.

ELKA ATHENA

Google translation:
Newsbeast.gr | ?????? : ?? «ELKA Athina» ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? Boeing


Neither the Greek ship, nor other sail boats found traces of the fatal flight

Not found eventually Greek freighter «ELKA Athina» in the Straits of Malacca traces of the fatal Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines that disappeared eight days ago.

PA28Viking said

You seem to be under the impression that only 1 single system transmits through ACARS. That is not correct.

The actual experts almost certainly know when the next transmission was expected and/or when it itself sent a message saying it was being logged off (and we know this time too - they told us when it was; 1:06)

... And moving on to the post you were replying to ...

I will not argue with you over what the actual facts are as I am not sure you will ever concede something you don't want to hear could ever be a fact. However, I will address your two bullets

1 - The Transponder last transmitted at the Malaysia/Vietnam handover location at 1:21

2 - ACARS last transmitted somewhere along the 40 Degree line at 8:11

...hence everyone knowing for a fact the plane didn't go down at ~1:30, and that the ACARS system wasn't "destroyed in a catastrophic event" like so many others are obsessively insisting - merely the VHF (and possibly/likely HF) connections of the ACARS were disabled; the Satalite connection was still functioning (and is the reason we have the pings)

I will also like to add that at least the actual experts (now) running this investigation obviously have some freakin common sense, as this part of it isn't exactly very difficult to understand. It is beyond sad (and really quite alarming, honestly) that so many here seem completely unable to grasp such a simple reality though.

ELT
 

My understanding was that ELTs had automatic function -other than manual, impact and water. Could someone deactivate all, including fixed ELT near tail?

Secondly, does Cospas-Sarsat monitor the southern Indian Ocean area?

strake said

So your "Occam's Razor" conclusion is...

- Absolutely all the hard tech data being used by some of the greatest minds Governments and the Planes Builders employe is just all wrong
- It is really in the 30-75 Meters deep water that 14 Countries searched for 8 days without finding even a seat cushion, let alone a 777 wing

Have I summarized your position pretty well?

Now compare that to the actual Experts theory

- People who knew what they were doing did what they knew how to do

I'm sorry, but we shouldn't even be having to argue this; your argument is flat out asinine and it is being presented to counter an unbelievably simple explanation that all the actual experts seem to agree on

I have just now posted high-resolution visible satellite sectors for the eastern Indian Ocean between 0000 and 0200 UTC. This is the highest resolution data I have access to and is just barely within the range of being able to detect contrails. I have applied an enhancement curve that specifically brings out early morning contrast.

High-res visible sectors for Southeast Indian Ocean - 8 March 2014 - Weather Graphics

I don't know if this will have any practical value for finding the plane and I foresee people seeing all kinds of patterns in this data and perhaps even the face on Mars. But in my view it's better having more data out there rather than nothing at all. I do suggest treating all signatures as nothing conclusive and checking what you see against FR24 archives. This is provided as-is.

Most of the region is covered by marine-layer stratocumulus and will be similar in nature to the cloud layers that occur off the California coast in summertime. Unfortunately this region is subsident with fairly dry air, so contrails will generally not be seen here for planes below FL390.

If anyone sees anything definitive, I will locate it on my software and provide an exact lat/long coordinate set, but as I have a lot of other things going on, my time to explore this set is very limited. Feel free to copy the images, make animations, repost, or however you prefer to use the data.

Tim Vasquez
Weather Graphics

For those who think the captain's home simulator is a red flag due to how complete it appears, take a quick look at Viperpit(s).org. You'll see multiple examples of F-16 cockpits that put the captain as well as Hollywood to shame, complete with fully operational displays, gauges, buttons and switches, all connected to free software (BMS 4.32) that does a damn good job of simulating an F-16C Block 50/52.

More than Enough & Do Your Homework
 

I am breaking a longstanding rule of mine not to post. I am a grateful observer of this forum. For about seven years I have visited because of the quality of thought, reason and gravitas offered herein. During this thread I felt obliged to register because I found myself reading postings constantly, copying them and evaluating.

Once I was paid to fly and conduct SAR. When I aged I failed the paid or "pro" part of this site's offering and thus I listened and learned. And then I married into a family of producers (generations) of these great airplanes and I have to pay attention.

Today, I observe a profound change in postings and attitudes. There IS TOO MUCH speculation on the souls aboard MH370. I survived a horrific crash in the Andes and know what my Father went through. I have lost seven flying buddies, brothers really and each lost was profound torment. I ache and choke when I visualize the family's waiting for crew and passengers...

Not to take the time to do your homework and read all the posts is juvenile.
It also is a loss for your search for fact. This is not a forum within which you can validate your view of your cleverness or intelligence. It is a gathering of experienced aviators and those that allow aviation to exist...honor that.

And finally, my great Scottish Aunt Bette, said: " ...there is no sense havin' ignorance unless you can show it." This is one place I know I hope never to show my arrogance, let alone ignorance. I have many questions, and they get answered here by remarkable women and men.

Please forgive my intrusion. I find what I am reading too much to remain silent.

I think that if we're going down this route, one must ask if the Malaysian government itself has anything to gain from the shift of focus to this disappearance. Being the ones who also control the investigation it is not implausible that they would gain from the disappearance of this airplane.

I also want to say that the Australian girl coming forward with the cockpit pictures and perhaps even the telling of the Captain's wife and children leaving the day before smells too much like a set up for the end of this story. It's a smoke screen being put forward to add beef to the story.

Tim Vasquez
Weather Graphics

Thank you for providing this.

It has crossed my mind in a hopeful moment that
some TOMNOD like satellite photos of the areas needing crowdsearch
searching would be posted... I was fancying USA using their
photos and putting them on the massive healthcare.gov site. LOL.

Quote (galaxy flyer):
After this much time, I find it hard to believe it being on the "northern track" or on the ground. The US has ample satellite means of reconnaissance to identify the plane, if it ws at any known airport. An off-airport landing would likely trigger the ELT, unless it can be deactivated in flight. It can't on my plane.

Not to mention the Chinese -over whose territory the 'northern track' is indicated. -my opinion: given the sat capabilities of the U.S. and China a whole lot more is known than has been released.

D.S.
 

Not my understanding of the public information. ACARS was shut down shortly after feet wet and before Malaysian ATC bid the flight farewell. Shortly after which the transponder(s) was/were disabled.

The SATCOM system, however, continued to function, in a sort of keep-alive mode, but did not pass flight or aircraft data to the satellite(s). It's the last of those recurring signals that Inmarsat has plotted along roughly the 40N arcs.

I completely agree, its bad to malign someone who is not present to defend himself.

ELKA Athina
 

Google Translation -> "The horror continues: The Greek ship did not detect the Boeing - Greek tanker named " ELKA Athina"

Reasons not to stop searching in the South China Sea

1. Last SSR 01:22 am near IGARI waypoint
2. Very descriptive eyewitness account from the Song Mercur Oil Rig off Vung Tau. Which was checked by one Veitnam Aircraft only, no sea or sea floor sonar search ever done to date.
3. Chinese reported a seismic event in South China Sea off Veitnam at same location.
4. The 40 degree IOR Satellite ring passes through the same area South Veitnam coast . Which is only being discounted for one reason radar coverage. The last ping at 08:11 am was on this 40 degree ring. Some reports saying all the pings came from 1 place. Yes they did come from one place, the wreckage in the South China Sea until it sunk some time after 08:11am.
5. Kota Baru police report loud bang off the coast.

Reason to now discount the Malaysian Military Radar

1. It came to us way later in the search. And seems erroneous in nature,
2. The area of reported tracking Mh370 over the Malay peninsula is a high traffic region! many aircraft in and out of Phuket , hadyai , Krabi, langkawi, and Penang etc.
3. Aircraft was reported at multiple FLight levels, some way above service ceiling B777. To me these plot are all different aircraft doing different things and not one aircraft. I bet the jet at FL450 was a Bizjet for sure.
4. Many countries have reported no primary radar contact with such a target at the times reported now Indonesia, India, and even now Pakistan deny radar contact.


PLEASE DO NOT STOP SEARCHING THE SOUTH CHINA SEA! KEEP YOUR ASSETS IN PLACE AND START DOING SEA FLOOR SEARCH ESPECIALLY ALONG THE AIRWAYS!